Sounds more like the ramblings of crazy old hermit, scared into hiding by a horrid and evil tyrant.

Until you show that the "biblical prophesy" is any different to a fanatic's predictions and that John despite the state he was in, was able to put together an actual prophesy, you should be a bit more critical.

Otherwise, it's hardly a debunked debunk.

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Well if thats the case then its just a self fulfilling prophecy.

so whats the deal with 616/666=nero? just a coincidence (i'm willing to bet that the probabilities are astronomical)

and the "its about to happen" statements that can't have meant what they say according to you.

How do you get around the problem that for the most part, Nero is the best bet?

the seven horns being a good symbol of the seven hills of rome, the seven headed beast being a parallel of the caesers, the whore in purple synonymous of the cumulative sin of the roman empire.

Originally posted by undo
it starts with daniel's statue that outlines the empires of the world from his time till sometime in the future.

it started with the babylonian empire
then the media persian
then the grecian
then the roman
and finally, the roman+something else (the very next one in succession, the holy roman).

wow i forgot about daniel, thank you

the holy roman is the fifth empire.
this is where the trail is picked up in revelation.
you have the five kings (the five empires)
then you have a repeat of the fifth one. again (6th empire). again (7th empire). and finally, again. (8th empire)

actually, some scholars include egypt and assyria because of their interaction with gods people.

that would make 6

- egypt
- assyria
- babylon
- medo persia
- greece
- roman

as for the 7th, i think its the US and britain.

the feet of the statue are depicted as clay and iron, and its mentioned that they dont mix. so the 7th king has qualities of roman iron (strong, direct, powrful) and qualities of clay (commonly used to describe man, so democracy?). as we know democracy and iron like totalitarianism doesnt quite mix.

also, the beast in revelation has ten horns. that means 3 heads with 2 horns.

medo persia is one
roman is a second (emporer and senate who were always fighting for power)
and america/britain.

8th king... no idea

i always suspected it may be the UN, but they dont strike me as that powerful

Originally posted by undo
well read daniel again, and do some comparative analysis.

i have, thats why i feel the way i do.

i just cant see the ¨beast¨ being anything other than a political entity seeing as that illustration seems to be used alot.

but as for how many and which are which, i dont think you can ignore egypt and assyria. they were major world powers.

if you look at the beast, it has seven heads. looking back, there have been 7 major world powers. (i dont count spain, because while it was formidable and big, it was fragile and only supported by the armada, unlike the other world powers who were actually strong.)

even using ¨occam´s razor¨, this makes sense since it is a simple solution.

a beast with the seven heads on one body simply represents the worlds governments as a whole.

the catholic people are great. it's the guys at the very top, that have lived however they wanted and done whatever they wanted, while demanding so much holiness from everyone else, that has been the problem all along. my dad use to say, "don't do what i do, do what i say..." and although that's actually pretty good advice, in the case of the papacy, they took it to the extreme.

i'm also not your typical bible believer as i have a few problems with
paul. i think too many christians follow him instead of jesus. i think he's got some great messages but some of his thoughts were just the thoughts of a man that were elevated to the level of jesus' words.

not entirely sure why you mentioned this...

Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well if thats the case then its just a self fulfilling prophecy.

so whats the deal with 616/666=nero? just a coincidence (i'm willing to bet that the probabilities are astronomical)

and the "its about to happen" statements that can't have meant what they say according to you.

How do you get around the problem that for the most part, Nero is the best bet?

the seven horns being a good symbol of the seven hills of rome, the seven headed beast being a parallel of the caesers, the whore in purple synonymous of the cumulative sin of the roman empire.

Becasue there are MANY antichrists, the scriptures say this as well. But there will only be ONE "THE" antichrist. You have to understand Greek, and when they put the word "The" in front of something, it signified one set apart.

Many men throughout history have been antichrists, anyone today working or acting against Jesus is an antichrist.

There is a difference in Greek between "an" antichrist and "THE" antichrist. Marilyn Manson is an antichrist. And many men have had their names add up to 666.

I'll give you a hint: ""The antichrist is "Lord Maitreya", Google the guy. Also be sure to read about his "Day of Declaration" and then contrast the "Day of Declaration" with what has been leaked to us about "Project Blue Beam".

Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well if thats the case then its just a self fulfilling prophecy.

so whats the deal with 616/666=nero? just a coincidence (i'm willing to bet that the probabilities are astronomical)

and the "its about to happen" statements that can't have meant what they say according to you.

How do you get around the problem that for the most part, Nero is the best bet?

the seven horns being a good symbol of the seven hills of rome, the seven headed beast being a parallel of the caesers, the whore in purple synonymous of the cumulative sin of the roman empire.

The "whore of Babylon" is the Roman Catholic Church. Her colors are "scarlet and red" the colors of the RCC. it says she "rides the beast", the Theospohy Society affirms the Pope will head the one world religion (false Prophet), the vatican is in Rome, the city "on the 7 hills".

Nero was a terrible man, and "an" antichrist yes. "THE" antichrist will be possessed by Satan himself and be exponentially worse.

well historians have added to the mix, that the egyptian dynasty was started by africans. it wasn't. their interpretation has actually befuddled data regarding the beasts or empires of history. they've assumed egypt was an empire in its own right, it actually wasnt. dynastiic egypt rose in tandem with the akkadian and babylonian empires. a little known factoid is that nimrod started the egyptian dynasties, and he was an akkadian. his mother was an egyptian, his dad an akkadian, his great grandfather, survived the flood. he was "king scorpion", narmer, enmerkar and osiris. there's alot of confusion on this and that's the reason. he started the egyptian dynasty at abydos, egypt. the seat of osiris.

so technically speaking, the babylonian empire is the same as the egyptian because its founder and royal lineage was from shinar (the lands of the sumerians/akkadians/babylonians, et.al, iraq). the royal line mingled with the peoples of africa. eventually egypt became a force in its own right but it was never an empire in its own right. it was a dynastic offshoot of babylon. therefore, it's my belief that when he says history looks like a statue, and starts it with nebuchadnezzar's golden head on the statue, that it included in that example, all the lands that babylon was in control of (this included by heritage, the line of nimrod, who was osiris (asar) after death and narmer, enmerkar, before death) dynastic egypt.





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