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posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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Alien aggression does not have to be motivated by the need for raw materials. They may have a need for a new home planet especially if their Sun is leaving the Main Sequence and has become unstable or there may be a biological reason. We don't know.




posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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Pal, we are Still here right now, which throttles your entire statement that a warlike culture will go extinct.

The worst aspect of this thread is the people that suddenly chime in with abduction stories and never mentioned them before and are obviously full of bs

The utter sham of it all, the people who pretend they have been abducted in order to jump into a bandwagon when real people tell me to my face that they have had horrible experiences

I'm happy you believe that we will under go some great "change" and then everything will be happy and emo, but it's nonsense, these things are as much "higher entities" or any different than us as the first bearded white g-ds that landed on Central America were

And what are you throwing my violent statements at me? I'll be damned iof I allow my brains to be scrambled into a belief that these things hold any good in store for humanity, habitable planets are a commodity for sure, I intend to fight to the bitter last for ours and I expect to win



AS for people who are abducted maybe you need to take in one of these people for some serious hypnosis so you can see with your blind eyes as I have when the REAL memories are unearthed exactly what they are really doing to these people in addition to frying their brains.

I am so sick of people who make up stories and tell them like they know something, the number of people in here "In contact" with various species of Light coming to our aid are sickening, it's all nonsense... the giant galactic fleet, the empires

LOL dozens and dozens of people whol claim they have contact with the mothership, they all have this...star wars level bs story abpout all these races and the order of the universe and most of them can't hold a job

You want to write stories and be a New age emo goofball, go ahead

But lies are know to those of us who really research this and all the insanity of federations and other tripe is obviously made up

The Greys are from here, they didn't come from a distant star, any and every bit of evidence I see that I can not sdiscount indicates that they are either from this planet or extremely close by and base underground

Never once, have I seen one bit of evidence that says to me this is inter solar system, everything seems to be the exact opposite of that

Right down to the first true American encounters which happened as we tested bombs ontop of their heads by accident.

and the end of your rebuttal is the truth of it all...Peace, I don't wish you peace for these kind of LIES and bs stories centered around wishful thinking and a desire to feel safe in a world that is not under your control, it's another fairy tail designed to give you solace in your own mortality much like people who make things up about religion, objective truth there is NONE of in this thread

So I don't wish Peace I wish Resolution, I wish Truth, I wish to settle the problem if given the option

and I wish that those of you who like to tewll fabricated stories experience a real abduction and get lucjky and have to recall it because sometimes the memory tricks don't hold so well and people realize later on or immeadiately Exactly what happened to them, so I Wish that you and yours have those experiences so you switch back to the HUMAN side and stop glorifying some other species as better than us when they are definitively not.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by A TRUE AMERICAN
Alien aggression does not have to be motivated by the need for raw materials. They may have a need for a new home planet especially if their Sun is leaving the Main Sequence and has become unstable or there may be a biological reason. We don't know.


Or food, or conquest, or genetic material (the motherlode of all value) or the sport of it, for pleasure, for self defense, for slaves



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by Rosen
The OP, I believe, quotes the spiritual leader Raël of the International Raëlian Movement. Nearly 30 years ago he said the same thing: that when a civilization becomes able to leave their solar system they have overcome the 'progress-destructive' cycle - that phrase, specifically.


I believe we became able to leave or are close to being able to leave after we shot down the first craft we saw that didn't feel like identifying itself and then reverse engineered the technology



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Mopusvindictus: I agree with most of what you said, but why do you say the greys are from Earth or nearby. I always believed they were from Zeta Reticulli.

[edit on 1-9-2008 by A TRUE AMERICAN]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Tattoo1377
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Sure, let's blame it all on the evil ET's. We humans have no ingenuity at all. We invent nothing. We are so victimised!
-Yeah... right. Anything to escape accountability for our own actions.


When did I ever say that humans never did anything wrong?
Cultures all over the world have stories about beings that came from the stars, they never did anything good, well actually good, they taught humans how to do things that they should have never known, I would much rather live primative then live in a modern world, but sadly to exist now days I have to live modern.
My ancestors lived primativly, some of them still do, but the more "intelligent" peoples came over and took over, forced them to live like them, forced them to speak like them, forced them to worship a God that the white people didn't even believe in.
The Novajos have stories about the beings that came from the stars, they're not good, they're not our space brothers, they're evil.



First off, I never said they were our 'saviors', that is a religous term/ideal... an icon many use to shift accountability.


So I guess you are saying that the aliens are'nt accountable for there actions?
Go eat some frybread, maybe it'll open your mind.



Secondly, ancient documents are just that. Ancient documents written by people with no concept of hygiene, much less science. Taking them at face value, is to invite mysticism as your answer for everything.. which is quite dangerous.


Really? And just what makes you an expert of the ancients? Ya know they built the great pyramids? Something we've not fully understood how or why they did such a thing.
The Hopi created megalithic temples in Chaco canyon, they are aligned with the stars and the moon and sun, pueblo buenito is as large as the roman collesium.
Ancient man knew how to do blood transfusions, brain surgery, how to create flying devices, even batteries.
Do a little research before saying crap like what you said.
I actually give a crap about humanities past, I know what man has achieved, I research, you don't, obviously.



As for your abduction stories, I'm not going to berate and scrutinise you about them..
Nor will I tell you to take your 'BS/Fire in the Sky Stories' and leave the forums, as you did with me.


You're crossing a dangerous line buddy. You obviously have never met one of those mofos have you? You know nothing of what it's like to have your molicules ripped apart and reassembled, you have no idea what the fear is like, the fear of being tortured agian by them, the fear they will come back and kill you (I don't have that fear anymore).

Lol, you are so foolish and niave that you don't even know that "Fire In The Sky" is a true story? It really happened, it's based off of a true story. Are you going to discredit all of the thousounds, maybe millions of people who have been tortured by these creatures just because you have this idea, based off of nothing, but Steven Spielburg movies about cute friendly little aliens, are you serious? Since when did fiction become reality?
In ancient times these "aliens" were called The Annunaki, in the medeval times they were fairies and elves, even demons, now we call them aliens, they're all the same thing, they do evil to mankind, take our babies, rape us torture us and also... kill us. THey ruled over us in ancient times, we wiped there offspring out, we put up a good fight and they decided to put together another plan, a plan to slowly interweave themselves into our society and eventually take over, they're in control right now even, but they're not known, they will soon make themselves known and will make themselves out to be our saviours.

Tell me, do you follow Rael? Are you a raelien?

You sound like one of those poor decieved people.

Like I said, I will kill any alien I come across, they will pay for what they've done to mankind if I ever get ahold of them/

-Jimmy



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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I could only provide my take on the subject and the things I have studied

1: I have never seen anything or spoken to anyone who had any credible pov or believeable account of anything that could be taken as intersteller craft

2: the most credible sightings or reports occour in areas where there are large sections of the earths Crust geologically speaking that could house life, Locations of activity include the south pole, under the ocean and mountain ranges where I have seen real evidence of alien activity

3: the history of an "underworld" in our cultures pervades every single civilization be it the terminology, demon alien, monster, goblin or any thing else

4: the best footage I have seen indicates craft that appear to enter the Earth, not fly off into space if pursued

5: They have been in our history for a very long time and only appeared again in North America after our underground bomb tests, I highly doubt our little explosion rocked them to visit even from A centauri 4 light years away, in less than that amount of time from detonation

6: all suspected alien/govt bases are underground, very, valid sounding reports exist of encounters that happen this way




and all of this aside, If the Aliens of Light nonsense was true and they sent people back with a message and LOL the Order of the Univerese, they would send them back knowing html so they could at least have the ability to publish their own website

You know...lol, I love these threads by people with Privy knowledge of all of the Universe and dozens of aline species with no evidence, not even a website of their own ROFL
yet they are the priviledged members of those who were chosen to reveal all this too

I have at this time doen at least 100 interviews with abductees all of those that claim abduction by "the light" lol, you go to their home and they are the same people, stoners almost across the board, have a hug interest in sci fi and fantasy... crystals and all the rest of the crap and I count out every one of those stories as fake

I'm sorry, first one I ever did was back in Brooklyn, went to the guys house and there he is, with Stargate sg1 on...shhhh ing me until the commercials and he is 150 lbs over weight and went on a camping trip and they told hinm this whole story about these races and wormholes... and

then he tried to sell me his old d&d collection and smoked a bowl with me


Then I get the FEW who I have spoken too, let's take One elderly person in particular, cries, devotes their full attention to me, explains some seriously horrible things to me, doesn't want their name given out ever, is obviously embarassed and traumatized

who should I belive? The frackin Crystal Light sect?

and to this day I have encountered nothing that gives me a shred of evidence that anyone has gone to another system... at least not and came back...

I have no insight per FACT as to if they originate elswhere, but I lean heavilly on them being a life form from Earth or this solar system the proximity of contact seems irrefutable to me that they are at the least living here now and nothing much if at all is showing up from elsewhere, if it can or does it's obviously not a quick process or they would be legion and undeniable by now



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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Go Jimmy!

Yeah all these fricken people live in cities and have these new age beliefs about aliens lol, let them come out here by me and have a convo up on the rim where Fire in the Sky took place and talk to both natives and non natives about some experiences they have had...

Rofl
Maybe theres just a group of bad eggs out here in Northern AZ and the rest are all beautiful and kind, maybe like me the heat gets them cranky and they take it out on us



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 10:11 PM
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THey don't just go in and out of the earth from places visible like volcanoes, they also go in through the sea, ever hear of USO's?
They're pretty interesting I think:

Ancient Japanese UFO's


THis is close to what I believe, the message they present is not 100% of what I belive, but they come pretty darn close:

Ufos Angels and God(s) (Part 1 of 3)


Ufos Angels and God(s) (Part 2 of 3)


Ufos Angels and God(s) (Part 3 of 3)


I have a bit more experience in this field than the OP, both education and hands on experience.

-Jimmu



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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I really don't think that all the alien beings are here for the same reason. I think that some of them are good guys, and others are basically good, but their in cahoots with our government. They've made it their mission that the government and media brainwash you into thinking that all the alien beings that come to earth look like the stereotypical green, big black eyed, small nostril, small mouth and big head breed. Then they go ahead and help our government come up with polluting spaceship rocket and other aircraft. When the other guys are saying this stuff is harming our planet.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.

I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.

1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?

2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.

Interesting thread. Goodonya



maybe the "Grays" are exempt from this "non interference" rule

why?

because maybe "Grays" are not aliens at all.

it's been said over and over by Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton separately that the "Grays" are "US" from the future, coming back to change genetics and events that wernt VERY wrong.

ie: they are descendants of the world elite that went into the Deep Underground Military Bases when the "Calamity" struck.. leaving the rest of humanity to fend for itself and die.
They followed their Satanic path (100% egocentric) of cold logic and "any means necessary" to achieve their will, in the name of science, and greed for power.. eventually genetically ironing out "Emotions" to a level that wouldn't cause problems between individuals.. and eventually lost their individuality... and their genes decrepify to a level that has no "soul"... because they clone thmeselves in an effort to obtain immortality.

so they're back trying to correct their wrongs..

all the whils .. ACTUAL ALIENS are watching this happen.. watching the "GRAYS" (us) come back in time and make amends for mistakes that haven't even happened yet..

so the "Grays" are still "US" making mistakes as humans do.

i think the "GRAYS" are still quarantined to Earth in the future just like us.. until we all rid ourselves of our destructive ways..

THEN we are allowed into the cosmos.


if i was leading an extremely advanced civilization and understood that weapons thousands of times more powerful than nuclear weapons.. some "GOD BOMBS" .. would be in the hands of aggressive spiritually undeveloped cultures...

I'd be fearful that they may actually do something that would ..in their ignorance.. actually cause a domino effect in ALL time-space.. thus destroying the universe.

DON'T LET CHILDREN PLAY WITH MATCHES.

BAD IDEA.

I wouldn't allow aggressive warlike cultures off of their planet untill they were completely peaceful and harmonious.
EVEN if they evolved into "GRAYS" and had to go back to fix their problems.

you don't get to leave your room until you BEHAVE.

simple.

and for those kids that think there's a whole "starwars" type thing going on out there..

you're just projecting primitive human psychology onto spiritual systems you cannot even begin to comprehend.

i think it's immature and shortsighted of you to think that low of advanced civilizations.


grays are us.
they abduct people to change DNA and study how it affects them.. down the line. because the elite are their ancestors.. and obviously the elites were LACKING in something in their DNA to cause them to be so selfish.

so they sample from the rest of the population.

to try to find what they're missing.
to create a better future..

one where they are not satanic a$$holes with rotting genes.

one where they are PERMITTED to join the galactic civilization, and share in the experience of other peoples.


just sayin.
you can't really argue about what you're arguing about if GRAYS are US.... not "aliens"...

so yeah i completely agree with what the OP says.
and i came to the exact same conclusion a few years ago in my head.. while pondering things.

you're not allowed off your planet or group of planets until you have spiritually developed as a global race.

mutually assured destruction assures this because peaceful civilizations would have to defend themselves.. and they don't want to have to deal with childish fighting when there is PLENTY TO GO ROUND in an INFINITE UNIVERSE..

no scarcity in an infinite universe = no fighting for want of what the other has.

got it?

good. I knew you could!



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[edit on 2-9-2008 by prevenge]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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You are most definitely correct in that some ETs are our friends and love us. There are several that aren't and don't. You are correct in saying to choose Love and not choose Fear. Fear leads to hate and violence. There is way too much Fear in the world and it is up to every person to not choose Fear, choose Love. Billy Meier, imho, is not a fake and there has been a very substantial amount of pics and videos by him that no one has proven to be a fake nor can reproduce them. Read "And Still They Fly" For the religious people out there you have been lied to and misinformed. Read "Talmud Jmmanuel".
For you skeptics of Aliens and your own spirit, you are just not ready to know and accept the truth. I would much rather be an Erran than a Terran! Terrans are lazy and selfish and full of spite and a complacent, me, me, me mind.

Hey, also read the Henoch Prophecies. Wake up people, we are in the midst of the new age, 2012, WW III unless we unite and stop it!

[edit on 1-9-2008 by theyareoutthere]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 11:39 PM
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well I'm sure aliens are probably;y similar to people in the fact that there are bad people and there are good people. the same more than likely goes fot aliens to.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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if the grays are us in the future then coming back in time to stop the world from turning to # is a grandfather paradox. if they change the world then they will cease to exist in the future, and if they dont exist who came back in time and changed the world?

second if they are here to save the world why is it worse now than before?

third if people use the multiverse argument to state that future human( greys) can change the past and not be effected by the time ripples as they are in a different pond so so speak. if that is true then there are as many different alternate reality earths as there are electrons in the universe, maybe more. so why this particular reality. whats so special about this specific one? and there is no way there are enough greys to send to all the possible realities?

so whats the deal?

the holy aliens story is bullsheet story. its there to give scared people a false sense of security. to keep the masses in control while there taken out one at a time. look around pull yur head out of the clouds for a sec and see whats really going on. if there here to help why are they doing such a #ty job? the proof is in the action. u drop black ink into a glass of milk what do u get? well i would say the world looks like someone has been interfering in it. and dont give me this its all humans doing it crap cos if the holy aliens are here to help they should help not just stand by and watch maniacs kill innocent people. either way i think we are seriously screwed. i hope im wrong but it doesnt look good.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 11:44 PM
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I am afraid I can't agree, not destroying themselves doesn't necessarily mean they'll be friendly to other species on other planets.

I also think it's a mistake to think everything that doesn't look like it's from here is extraterrestrial; I have good reason to believe the grays are extratemporal, from the future; although it's another time line as they have altered this one by coming back.

They only ant us for our DNA, that which is useful to them to adapt to current Earth environment instead of distant dying sun Earth environment.

The reason we get the pro-environmental and anti-war messages isn't because they have our best interests at heart; they just don't want us to destroy the planet before they complete their hybridization program at which point they would cull most of us and use the remainder as slaves.

There are extraterrestrials visiting us though, and I do believe at least some of them don't wish to allow the grays to complete their agenda. They have their own time line and no right to take over ours. I believe we are receiving some assistance and that is why we largely see an end to alien abductions after the summer of 2006 about the same time we started to see the orbs in large numbers.

But I think we are a much larger threat to ourselves than any external force.



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
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if the grays are us in the future then coming back in time to stop the world from turning to # is a grandfather paradox. if they change the world then they will cease to exist in the future, and if they dont exist who came back in time and changed the world?

second if they are here to save the world why is it worse now than before?

third if people use the multiverse argument to state that future human( greys) can change the past and not be effected by the time ripples as they are in a different pond so so speak. if that is true then there are as many different alternate reality earths as there are electrons in the universe, maybe more. so why this particular reality. whats so special about this specific one? and there is no way there are enough greys to send to all the possible realities?

so whats the deal?

the holy aliens story is bullsheet story. its there to give scared people a false sense of security. to keep the masses in control while there taken out one at a time. look around pull yur head out of the clouds for a sec and see whats really going on. if there here to help why are they doing such a #ty job? the proof is in the action. u drop black ink into a glass of milk what do u get? well i would say the world looks like someone has been interfering in it. and dont give me this its all humans doing it crap cos if the holy aliens are here to help they should help not just stand by and watch maniacs kill innocent people. either way i think we are seriously screwed. i hope im wrong but it doesnt look good.



Tim,
I think about the same exact things constantly, those points you made, questions you posed.

What I've gotten by pondering and research is this much..

that the "looking glass" technology that the grays brought back with them in 47' is used to show probable outcomes of THIS specific timeline we're in now.

SO it's all about a FINITE set of PROBABILITIES based on percentages of chance and will.

so.. while there may be INFINITE OUTCOMES.. in eternity..

the only RELEVANT ONES .. would be those within a probability range given the current LOCAL set of matter and influence... ie.. EARTH.. or "where you're interest lies"

there is also talk of a set of "rogue" "grays" from an EARLIER point in human development than the point at which the gray humans had finally gone back... these earlier (later to us).. had noticed changes in their timeline somehow.. and deducted that someone was screwing with their past.
the ones changing it (repairing it) were the ones ahead of them.. that had begun to genetically degrade.

this talks of the 55,000 grays and the 45,000 grays (rogue)..
i thiiink those are the numbers.

the 55k being the ones 55k years ahead of us who are trying to repair

the 45k being the ones that are trying to keep the change from happening ... out of pure survival.. if it changes.. they're not going to be who they are.. essentially.. unless they can devise a method to
"TRI-LATERALLY" - MERGE with us ... here during the Calamity at 2012.

it's also said that the flatline of 2012 timewave.. the point at which the looking glass cannot see past if viewed from before it..
this static point of no novelty... can cause a divergence.. where the grandfather paradox is ineffective after.
don't take that last point with too much weight though.. it's jsut a theory that ive heard talked about .. about the montaulk and looking glass technologies.




all in all.. if the ELITE are the ones that survive a mass extinction ... then that's a prettu sure formula for creating a degenerate species.
after all, the majority of elites are ones with money, who have gotten it by lying cheating and stealing
and if that's the behavior encoded into the DNA of your surviving gene pool.
you are SCREWED if you want to interact on a spiritual and peaceful level with the rest of the living, loving, infinite universe.


so they're back.. trying to find what they arrogantly dismissed as not valuable.

genes of "ordinary folk" .. genes that weren't "cutthroat" and miserly.



this whole BROAD VIEW of humanity's evolution is telling..

that advanced technology such as the Future Human Grays..
Doesn't equal "advanced" in the spiritual sense... which.. is all that really matters.

so all in all.. the elites and their CIA , NSA go ahead in the future.. figure everything out to a quantum level.. master genetics and electromagnetic technology...
and come back and introduce that technology earlier and we go through the SAME trials.. the SAME temptations the SAME things..

except there are methods that we as a people...
can be aware of this all now.. and make our own changes by willing to be more compassionate and diligent in spiritual growth as a whole world.

not an evil genocidal new world order

but something better

a global brotherhood without chitheads running the show.

their genes .. via the grays phisiological failure.. has been shown to be weak and inadequate for ascension to higher levels of LOVING and MORAL galactic cooperation .


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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 12:35 AM
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Tattoo1377, one thing you said in your post interests me. That they "understand the real source of danger is not from them, but from us," is intriguing in that there could be several thousands of civilizations out there in our galaxy alone, yet as a sort of mutual understanding, they agree that they will not make contact with us until we have proven ourselves to be capable of surpassing such a stage in our civilization's existence; that until we are capable of surpassing incessant conflict; territorial ambition, political strife and war, and the disease, famine and poverty that accompanies it, will we be accepted in this highly evolved galactic network of intelligent beings.

Of course you could have argued your point from a more pragmatic point of view. I'm sure it would have been appreciated, especially on these boards. And I just responded in the same light as your own, not wanting to disrupt your train of thought. I just wanted to post my thoughts on the issue in a brief, non complicated fashion as well.

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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 12:42 AM
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What I understood from Dan Burisch's account was that the jrods 45000, or 52000 were future us, from a disaster timeline 2, 45,000 years ahead, and 52,000. The oldest group were the wisest. But basically they were trying to justify their history by ensuring that we repeated it and were working very hard to enable the dangerous timeline 2 catastrophe. In fact one of the things he talked about was the orion cube which was given to us supposedly by our future guests, but due to overuse, as all the greedy cartel passed it along to look into the future for their gains, it is the reason for the catastrophe that was to befall us.
In any case, I don't support the greys being future humans. The Hopi called them ant people. One of my biggest concerns is the groups of positive human looking visitors watching over us. There were many who were in contact with very positive people. And the pleiadians were amongst them. I have read that they lost a battle with the more negative controlling (and I presume verdants, a lot is written about them on eyepod.org). Consequently they left our planet possibly in the 90s or so. From what has been said, the less spiritual human ones are doing a pacification program with us, using spiritual techniques to appeal to our higher sentiments in order to win our alliance. Like all people they are good and bad, but they are under fascist style regimes and aren't our friends. These types still abduct versus contact, though they can also appear more benign and do the latter. I just hope that the true positives have come back, with force or numbers, or will show up and that we're not just being left to the conrollers, and the wolves in sheeps clothing ones. I had a strong message they would show up. If, as many have said, there is actually a force dealing with a negative force, that implies, on our behalf casualties. And thats some of what I've read. Are we really worth the casualties from the good? This is my concern now. You see I think the OP has a good basic thought, and I'm not happy hearing about the different agendas and the losses.

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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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good post and well thought out.

yeah the only problem i have is with the whole who to trust issue.

i just find it hard to believe that the grays who are the descendants of the Illuminati no matter how far in the future would sacrifice themselves simply for the benefit of the human race. it just seems out of character. and if there here to help the common man why are they doing deals with the current ELITE and not the man on the street. u cannot know the truth from behind a curtain of secrecy. and by far all accounts say they're a cold and show no emotion.



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by mystiq
What I understood from Dan Burisch's account was that the jrods 45000, or 52000 were future us, from a disaster timeline 2, 45,000 years ahead, and 52,000. The oldest group were the wisest. But basically they were trying to justify their history by ensuring that we repeated it and were working very hard to enable the dangerous timeline 2 catastrophe. In fact one of the things he talked about was the orion cube which was given to us supposedly by our future guests, but due to overuse, as all the greedy cartel passed it along to look into the future for their gains, it is the reason for the catastrophe that was to befall us.
In any case, I don't support the greys being future humans. The Hopi called them ant people. One of my biggest concerns is the groups of positive human looking visitors watching over us. There were many who were in contact with very positive people. And the pleiadians were amongst them. I have read that they lost a battle with the more negative controlling (and I presume verdants, a lot is written about them on eyepod.org). Consequently they left our planet possibly in the 90s or so. From what has been said, the less spiritual human ones are doing a pacification program with us, using spiritual techniques to appeal to our higher sentiments in order to win our alliance. Like all people they are good and bad, but they are under fascist style regimes and aren't our friends. These types still abduct versus contact, though they can also appear more benign and do the latter. I just hope that the true positives have come back, with force or numbers, or will show up and that we're not just being left to the conrollers, and the wolves in sheeps clothing ones. I had a strong message they would show up. If, as many have said, there is actually a force dealing with a negative force, that implies, on our behalf casualties. And thats some of what I've read. Are we really worth the casualties from the good? This is my concern now. You see I think the OP has a good basic thought, and I'm not happy hearing about the different agendas and the losses.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by mystiq]


hmm you have the grays from the timelines backward.
Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton have both (without even KNOWING each other) both supported each others claims.


plenty of lengthy hour+ long interviews of both of them...
www.projectcamelot.org...


I think the real issue is this...

100% egoism (santanism) (you are the adversary)...
equals becoming lost when it comes to relating to others on a meaningful level... if that becomes the status quo of the ruling elite.

i think satanism was important to develop for a percentage of the population in order to liberate the ego spiritually from the crushing hand of organized religion.

but i think satanism.. like capitalism.. if not regulated with moderation and blended with charity and giving.. only leads to twisted situations where a race eventually has no limits as far as morals and falls into ridiculous levels of spiritual cannibalism.

at least NOW... we have a goal..
a development of a communal method of thought where we become spiritually .. 50% ego driven (personal pleasurable reward for our efforts) ..
and 50% completely altruistic GIVING.. BESTOWING...
not for the sensation of pleasure that we get from "giving".. because it's "the right thing"...

but..

50% altruism through KNOWING that if we DON'T BESTOW.. then our spiritual environment degrades..
and by BESTOWING to others.. in service to one another..
we know .. we know scientifically.. that we are creating a spiritual environment that future generations will benefit from .. and if you extrapolate that forever.. you'll have paradise eventually.

dont think that future human grays with technological expertise makes for an "advanced race"...
does a twisted felon in a prison convicted of murder, torture and rape become "rehabilitated" when he learns a new skill like C++ in prison??


we need a balance of egoism and bestowal towards the communal good.

call it new-agey.. i don't give a fawk.

it's what we need to do to change this paradigm.

it's what i am aiming for in my daily actions and interactions.


money made for survival of the fittest ...
but as time went on.. they came back and realized that that WASN'T the best method of bringing the best genes out of the organism..
so they came back for what was outside that small select poisoned elitist gene pool.

we are the answer to the ascention of all man kind...

the people that CARE.. the people that do NOT cremate their CARE.
the people that embrace their care.. and do not throw it away like trash into a giant owl furnace.

we .. the common folk.. have the answer within us.. be cause we care..

about each other.

and are less inclined to stab each other in the back to reap great rewards and fortune..

sure .. dont think i'm saying the elites are all bad and the masses are all pure..
but the people like you and i that talk about this type of thing.. that do things ..that are not constantly obsessed with power and control..
that's where the relevant genes are.. for survival in the cosmos.

or at least.. that's the only type of "gene pool" that I'D want to relate with if i was leading a peaceful advanced civilization looking down at a developing culture... taking my pick of who down there was going to be best to talk with on a long term basis.




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