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Originally posted by A TRUE AMERICAN
Alien aggression does not have to be motivated by the need for raw materials. They may have a need for a new home planet especially if their Sun is leaving the Main Sequence and has become unstable or there may be a biological reason. We don't know.
Originally posted by Rosen
The OP, I believe, quotes the spiritual leader Raël of the International Raëlian Movement. Nearly 30 years ago he said the same thing: that when a civilization becomes able to leave their solar system they have overcome the 'progress-destructive' cycle - that phrase, specifically.
Originally posted by Tattoo1377
reply to post by jimmyjackblack
Sure, let's blame it all on the evil ET's. We humans have no ingenuity at all. We invent nothing. We are so victimised!
-Yeah... right. Anything to escape accountability for our own actions.
First off, I never said they were our 'saviors', that is a religous term/ideal... an icon many use to shift accountability.
Secondly, ancient documents are just that. Ancient documents written by people with no concept of hygiene, much less science. Taking them at face value, is to invite mysticism as your answer for everything.. which is quite dangerous.
As for your abduction stories, I'm not going to berate and scrutinise you about them..
Nor will I tell you to take your 'BS/Fire in the Sky Stories' and leave the forums, as you did with me.
Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.
I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.
1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?
2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.
Interesting thread. Goodonya
Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by prevenge
if the grays are us in the future then coming back in time to stop the world from turning to # is a grandfather paradox. if they change the world then they will cease to exist in the future, and if they dont exist who came back in time and changed the world?
second if they are here to save the world why is it worse now than before?
third if people use the multiverse argument to state that future human( greys) can change the past and not be effected by the time ripples as they are in a different pond so so speak. if that is true then there are as many different alternate reality earths as there are electrons in the universe, maybe more. so why this particular reality. whats so special about this specific one? and there is no way there are enough greys to send to all the possible realities?
so whats the deal?
the holy aliens story is bullsheet story. its there to give scared people a false sense of security. to keep the masses in control while there taken out one at a time. look around pull yur head out of the clouds for a sec and see whats really going on. if there here to help why are they doing such a #ty job? the proof is in the action. u drop black ink into a glass of milk what do u get? well i would say the world looks like someone has been interfering in it. and dont give me this its all humans doing it crap cos if the holy aliens are here to help they should help not just stand by and watch maniacs kill innocent people. either way i think we are seriously screwed. i hope im wrong but it doesnt look good.
Originally posted by mystiq
What I understood from Dan Burisch's account was that the jrods 45000, or 52000 were future us, from a disaster timeline 2, 45,000 years ahead, and 52,000. The oldest group were the wisest. But basically they were trying to justify their history by ensuring that we repeated it and were working very hard to enable the dangerous timeline 2 catastrophe. In fact one of the things he talked about was the orion cube which was given to us supposedly by our future guests, but due to overuse, as all the greedy cartel passed it along to look into the future for their gains, it is the reason for the catastrophe that was to befall us.
In any case, I don't support the greys being future humans. The Hopi called them ant people. One of my biggest concerns is the groups of positive human looking visitors watching over us. There were many who were in contact with very positive people. And the pleiadians were amongst them. I have read that they lost a battle with the more negative controlling (and I presume verdants, a lot is written about them on eyepod.org). Consequently they left our planet possibly in the 90s or so. From what has been said, the less spiritual human ones are doing a pacification program with us, using spiritual techniques to appeal to our higher sentiments in order to win our alliance. Like all people they are good and bad, but they are under fascist style regimes and aren't our friends. These types still abduct versus contact, though they can also appear more benign and do the latter. I just hope that the true positives have come back, with force or numbers, or will show up and that we're not just being left to the conrollers, and the wolves in sheeps clothing ones. I had a strong message they would show up. If, as many have said, there is actually a force dealing with a negative force, that implies, on our behalf casualties. And thats some of what I've read. Are we really worth the casualties from the good? This is my concern now. You see I think the OP has a good basic thought, and I'm not happy hearing about the different agendas and the losses.
[edit on 2-9-2008 by mystiq]