Where Do the Veep Candidates Stand on Animals?, page 1
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Topic started on 31-8-2008 @ 04:30 PM by schrodingers dog
Let's talk issues for a sec. This particular one is high on my personal list. As an animal owner and wildlife admirer I feel very strongly about the issues that affect those living around us whom have no voice to defend themselves.

Gov. Sarah Palin:


As of today, the contrast could not be more clear: While Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) has been a leader in the Senate to protect marine mammals and exotic wildlife, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) has denied the threats facing polar bears and has led her state's efforts to gun down wolves from airplanes and helicopters.

McCain announced this morning that the GOP ticket now includes Gov. Palin, who is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association and, despite her youth and good looks, is a throwback on animal issues. Having her one heartbeat from the presidency should strike fear into any animal advocate in the nation. The Palin Administration has waged an all-out war on Alaska's predators to artificially boost the populations of moose and caribou for trophy hunters, and has tried to pass legislation making it easier for state officials to gun down wolves and bears from the sky.

Last year, the state offered a $150 bounty as an incentive for pilots and aerial gunners to kill more wolves. And leading up to this week's statewide vote on Measure 2 to stop the aerial shooting of wolves and bears, Palin's Board of Game spent $400,000 of public money on brochures and radio ads to influence the election. She not only took an inhumane and unsporting position at odds with the principles of wildlife management and fair chase, but did it in an undemocratic and underhanded way.
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Sen. Biden on the other hand:


On the Democratic ticket, Sen. Biden has been a longtime friend of animal welfare in the Senate, and has received high marks year after year on the Humane Scorecard. In the current session of Congress, Sen. Biden co-sponsored measures to stop horse slaughter, upgrade the penalties for animal fighting, ban the possession of fighting dogs and attendance at a dogfight, and call on Canada to stop its annual massacre of baby harp seals. He has consistently signed onto letters requesting increased funds for the enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, and the federal animal fighting law.

Biden has not only supported animal protection legislation during his career, but has also led the fight on important issues. He was the co-author with Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in the 108th Congress on legislation to ban the netting of dolphins by commercial tuna fishermen. He was the lead author of a bill in the 107th Congress to prohibit trophy hunting of captive exotic mammals in fenced enclosures, and he successfully passed the bill through the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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[edit on 8/31/2008 by schrodingers dog]


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:50 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by jamie83



You can try to derail the thread all you want.
Wildlife management is the ONLY issue on this thread.
And despite your protestations and puffing, it is a MAJOR issue in Alaska and for many many Americans.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:56 PM by jamie83
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to
post by jamie83



You can try to derail the thread all you want.
Wildlife management is the ONLY issue on this thread.
And despite your protestations and puffing, it is a MAJOR issue in Alaska and for many many Americans.


I am not derailing this thread. Humans are simply a highly evolved species of animal. I read about it all the time here on ATS.

You are concerned with species that run wild in Alaska. I am concerned with my own species first and foremost.

I want my candidates to value the lives of MY species, not necessarily caribou.

Is there something wrong with that?


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:58 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by SteveR



No desperation.
All I said is that this issue matters to ME. Perhaps next time I should run it by you and Jamie?
I'm personally an active volunteer for both the ASPCA and The Humane Society.
If you don't care fine. Yet it seems you care enough to come over here and say that you don't care.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 05:11 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by jamie83



Yes, we heard you the first two times you said that, false reasoning and all.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 05:14 PM by jamie83
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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post by jamie83



Yes, we heard you the first two times you said that, false reasoning and all.


What is the false reasoning?

Please explain.

You raised the issue that the candidates should be judged based on how they treat animals.

I merely agreed with you, except I pointed out that humans are animals too, and I valued humans more than caribou.

Where is the false reasoning?
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