Time to let New Orleans sink?

i've got absolutely nothing against the people of new orleans; however, somebody built a city 6 feet below sea level. ummmm, duh?

Originally posted by patriot jim
how would feel if someone said that your home town should sink and be underwater? well some day it might happen to u

So be it. I will move. Pretty simple actually. You drive, run, walk, whatever and rebuild for yourself.

Our you stay, rebuild and hope to hell it don't happen again, but when it does don't blame God or the Government.

You made a personal choice, period.

^ ^ ^

how true. i agree totally.

Originally posted by patriot jimhow would feel if someone said that your home town should sink and be underwater? well some day it might happen to u

This is the type of attitude that stinks

No one is saying that it *should*... we are saying that it *will*

Time to cut the apron strings and let it go. At least let the rest of the country let it go and if you all want to invest your personal money and life into the place, by all means. No one is opposing that

If all of this could be prevented, then I am sure one of the many kind folks on this thread would wave their magic fairy wand and keep mother nature at bay, but ... too many of the residents are letting their attachment blind them from the harsh reality of what you are choosing by staying there.

It isn't that we want people to lose all their investments and/or worse lose their life or the lives of their family, but short of slapping you with reality what else can we do?

Oh, that's right.. help foot the bill. Silly me, what was I thinking?

[edit on 1-9-2008 by justamomma]

found this video, this is looking into the teeth of your adversary. Keep rebuilding and this is what you must stand up against. The lady commentating says all that needs to be said. Keyword "ominous".

www.liveleak.com...

Another video of the same.

www.liveleak.com...

[edit on 1-9-2008 by jwstarry]

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I dont want to pay for it either. But we will. FEMA to the rescue with unlimited taxpayers cash!

Hype it up FOX news! Contractors need the GOV check! To all those who choose to stay I'll take your "thank you" for my cash in advance.

N.O seems to be a case of lack of investment. It's a complicated location but Holland shows that it is possible to have high standards of living in improbably locations. So, either invest in N.O or assume the failure of the american capitalist and governmental citizen to take care of the interests of it's citizens.

Just build better infrastructure, there's no shortage of cement in the world. I must say that, apart from the skyscrapers, most of US infrastructure is below par, and it this is the main reason N.O is in trouble.

I say let it sink. In fact, that is what I thought last time New Orleans practically sank. It is a waste of money to keep fixing it every 2-3 years...just bite the bullet and send everyone in the New Orleans area elsewhere. If anything, it will give home builders a good opportunity for new/more jobs.

I am not from the USA but was wondering.

New orleans must be a city over there for quite some time now, its got kind of history right, is it over 100 years old?
Why write it of like that?
There are many ways to live under sea level as we do for a long time over here in the Netherlands, i am sure that simular solutions could be found for new orleans.

It will cost money but a whole less than those hundreds of trillions spend in your oversea wars.

I think it is a crying shame for the USA to have those wars while they cant even take care of their own people it seems.

Just the title of the thread sent ripples of annoyance coursing through my system though I knew it would be just a matter of time before something like this popped up.

It's a good time to dispel the myths centered around IMHOP bullcrap arguments of time to let New Orleans go and simply watch the video

It's not just about Katrina, but also the below sea level argument, the issue of protection against hurricanes and why it is simply not and never will be time to let New Orleans go - www.youtube.com...

And the hand outs begin, I am sorry but I gave last time and with the current state of the economy I cant afford to give again sorry.

www.servealabama.gov...
www.floridadisasterfund.org...
www.aidmatrixnetwork.org...
www.mississippirelief.com...
www.texasresponds.org...

These are just some of the places taking donations for Gustav

[edit on 1-9-2008 by jwstarry]

Blah,

I have to spend my money on....................

Well, anything but rebuilding a city full of.............

Diverse culture, yeah thats it; Diverse...........

Should be a cartoon FEMA heroes wait till they open the checkbook!

Thats why they stay or come back!

All about the Money! Again, repeating again a point!

New Orleans' damage was more due to poorly constructed and maintained levees by the
US Army Corp of Engineers.

28 states have many levees that are in the same dilemma. Sacramento, California is but one example.

What happened in Louisiana wasn't an accident. It was allowed to take place. You would know this if you spoke with personnel that worked as first responders in the Big Easy.

check out: levees.org

I'm sick and tired of Government taking my money and spending it on social programs. If the people and businesses want to live and do business in New Orleans let them rebuild it and redesign the levees. I don't need the Federal government for anything but defending its CITIZENS against treats foreign and domestic. Socialism belongs in society not Government. Give people the opportunity to help and they will do it gladly. Force them to give and they will only recent who ever is taking and receiving the "help".

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Only a very small portion of New Orleans is below sea level...

levees.org


The levees were more of the cause for the crisis than the Hurricane.

The Army Corps of Engineers screwed up in 28 States with poorly designed levees.

Another example is Sacramento, California.

New Orleans was allowed to drown for the Real Estate.

“I think the area will become depopulated little by little from one storm to the next anyway. Many evacuees will return to find their homes red tagged or condemmed. Not having the money to rebuild, they will simply move away. In less than 25 years the whole place could be underwater, just a memory.”

Wrong Wrong Wrong. New Orleans is a PORT.
en.wikipedia.org...
This is why it WILL NEVER close down. The “city” and maybe even the surrounding suburbs may be destroyed, but it will come back because of the port. Maybe not to the level it was up to Katrina. But, boat pilots, vessel personnel and port workers & their families are going to have to live somewhere close to their job sites. And then people will slowly trickle back in. Unless atomic bombs are dropped or the river and oceans dry up, there will ALWAYS be a city here, because of the port.


“But I don't get hit with a major earthquake ever 3-4 years.”

And New Orleans doesn’t get hit with a major hurricane every 3-4 years. Gustav was nothing compared to Katrina (2005). Betsy was a really bad one, and it was in 1965. That’s 40 years without a severe hurricane hitting here.


“I do believe that people should get the heck out of that area. I think it's incredibly foolish to spend millions on building walls to keep the ocean out, I mean come on!”

The Levees keep out lake water and river water, not the “ocean”.


“Who in there right mind would want to live in that place after katrina? THe definition of insanity is doing the same the over and over agian and expecting a different reslut each time.
These people are crazy if they think that they will ever be able to return and live without another hurricane destroying the place, they need to pack up and move perminantly, let nature take it's course, seriously, it's like building a house on top of an active volcano and never thinking something bad's going to happen."


I know everyone has their own opinion, but jesus man. We KNOW we face destruction and choose to live here anyway. Funny how that quality is valued in “The Deadliest Catch” those guys know they could die, but they chose to do it anyway, and their famous for it. It’s not crazy, it’s how life is here. And like others have said, you don’t get it until you visit. You don’t even have to live here; just visiting is enough to help you start to get it.

You can have whatever opinion you want, I don’t care. I’m just stating mine & defending my city - I don’t expect anyone to change their views. But you’re not going to understand why we are how we are until you come here and experience it for yourself. The French quarter is far more than Burbon St. It’s beautiful, there are so many old, old HUGE trees here, and old beautiful buildings. And, New Orleans is more than the French Quarter.

“I blame government funded education, somehow they've been able to take away people's common sense.”

I noticed you spelled “there” instead of “their”. You also wrote: “THe" “agian” “reslut” “perminantly” and many run on sentences. Looks like you got some of that government-funded education, too.

(I understand misspellings and mistakes; I make many myself. I’m only calling it out, because you made them in a post where you are calling others (and me) ignorant and devoid of common sense).



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[edit on 9/2/2008 by Dark Realms]

“i've got absolutely nothing against the people of new orleans; however, somebody built a city 6 feet below sea level. ummmm, duh?”

No one came along and said,” hey I’ve got an idea. Let’s dig a huge hole then build a city in it so it sits below sea level”. No one gets it; it’s about THE PORT. That’s why this city started. This was the spot picked for the port - the land just happened to be below sea level. Parts of the Netherlands are far lower than we are and they can make it work, like other posters have noted. And, again, NOT ALL OF NEW ORLEANS IS BELOW SEA LEVEL!!!!!!!




“I say let it sink. In fact, that is what I thought last time New Orleans practically sank. It is a waste of money to keep fixing it every 2-3 years”

New Orleans did not “sink”. We’re not a goddamn floating island. It was FLOODED!
From 1965 until 2005, there was no major hurricane to hit here. People have no memory. Yeah, it’s been a rough couple of years, but for 40 years, there was little damage when hurricanes hit here or near here. Its not like every 2 years since the 1700s New Orleans has had to be rebuilt. Did you know the city was once destroyed by a fire? Once in 1788 and again (not quite as bad) in 1794? And there hasn’t been a fire like that since.

“...just bite the bullet and send everyone in the New Orleans area elsewhere. If anything, it will give home builders a good opportunity for new/more jobs.”

So, you want to send us all out to buy new homes. Where will we get the money for that? Are you going to pay for my new house and the U-Haul?

And...who’s going to run the port? What will you do when the prices on coffee, steel (and anything made out of steel) and rubber all rise sharply?


For those telling me and my fellow citizens to leave and let “nature take its course”, try to see it from my perspective. Imagine I’ve never been to your city, I don’t really know anything about it except what I hear on the news and hear from other people (most of which is not true or a skewed truth) and I tell you are an idiot for living there and if it gets destroyed, too bad. Now imagine that the city you live in is the 5th largest port in the US and very important to US economy. Starting to get it?.





[edit on 9/2/2008 by Dark Realms]

Maybe we should be also having this discussion about Los Angeles, since virtually all geologists and scientists agree that a major earthquake is inevitable.
www.hno.harvard.edu...

New Earthquake Fault Discovered Under Los Angeles
A large, active crack in the earth, capable of causing destructive earthquakes, has been discovered under Los Angeles.

The crack, or fault, does not break the Earth's surface, so it remained hidden until geologists from Harvard University and the University of California, San Diego, found it last year.

"Los Angeles is caught in a vise," says John Shaw, an assistant professor of structural and economic geology at Harvard. "It is locked between converging sections, or plates, of Earth's crust, carrying North America and part of the Pacific Ocean floor. As the plates collide, rocks beneath the city are shattered and cut by faults of many shapes and sizes."

Motion along the faults appears to be shortening or contracting the Los Angeles basin an estimated quarter inch (7-8 millimeters) per year.

"That doesn't sound like much, but it's a significantly high rate when one of the largest cities in the world is built on top of it," Shaw comments.

Stress building up along parts of the newly discovered fault, then rupturing, could cause a series of large shakers every 250 to 1,000 years, according to Shaw and fault co-discoverer Peter Shearer of the University of California, San Diego. An earthquake of comparable size hit nearby Northridge in 1994, killing 61 people and causing $35 billion in damage.

A violent breach along the entire fault at once could produce a convulsion three times the intensity of the Northridge quake. Such a cataclysm could happen every 500 to 2,000 years and result in an estimated 3,000 to 8,000 deaths and damages of about $200 billion.

Of course, in addition to this relatively newly-discovered fault, it has been known for quite a long time that "The Big one" is inevitable. Yet, Los Angeles still continues to grow.

Please make sure that this thread and the responses survive the "Big One". We can then just globally change the city name from New Orleans to Los Angeles, and post it as a new thread.

Originally posted by Jemison
I love New Orleans and what it stands for. It is rich in history and tradition. I have never lived there but have family that does and I cannot imagine even suggesting that it be allowed to just slip into the ocean.

La Jolla, CA has been 'home' to me my entire life. Obviously we do not have the threat of hurricaines but I can guarantee you that if something were to happen to the town and everything had to be rebuilt, I would rebuild as many times as necessary and would never give up. I could never accept having the town I have always known as 'home' suddenly being taken from me.

Jemison

Great Post!! I love New Orleans too. It is a truly American Original and needs to be preserved. You can not let 300 years of history and culture sink. The wonderful and tumultuous mix of language, cuisine, music, religion, history, tradition, social classes, racial differences, and creativity make this place very, very special. Only someone who has never been there would suggest such a thing. Visit, but before you do, read the history of the place and your will be amazed at what a human success New Orleans really is.

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The original part of New Orleans, the French Quarter is higher than the rest, and it has survived hurricanes for 300 years.