I have to say Good Wolf, your on your journey home young man. I`m going on 53 this month, and it`s been a long journey for me (in understanding what we are really here for). I was not raised with the church, but have read the bible myself. I believe in a creator, and that all of us are just a part of that force, being or what ever you may want to call it. That force is both male and female in nature, or ying and yang, good and bad. We are a balance of all aspects. That is what the soul is in nature. That is why we have all aspects of this in our world around us each and every day. We were given at the time of our creation, free will, to grow spiritually as fast and in any way we choose. I have had many argue with me, that God gave us free will, but then say that God restircts us in that free will, which is totally illogical no matter how you look at it. It would then become limited will, not free will. So that in itself tells me that the teachings they want me to believe are wrong.

I was asked why I thought that. My responce was, how could a good and loving creator (or God) tell us one thing (free will), then tell us another (limited will). Their responce was, well, God can do that, he can do anything he wants. I said oh, God can lie to us then? If God is perfect, God can not lie. Well, they didn`t have a comeback to that. I have found many things the bible speaks of that are contradictory in nature. Many tell me that it is the living word of God, and was written by God. I ask, how can God do that if God is spirit in nature? They say, God gave the word through man to write down. Ok then, so man wrote it down. Man can make mistakes, man can take things and misinterpret them by not fully understanding them (understanding that man in those days did not have the education we have today). Man changes things to better fit his own understanding of them.

I have read that there are many parts of the bible that are left out, or missing. If so, why? Are they missing for a reason? Were they left out for a reason? If so, why? Plain and simple reasoning and gut feeling tells me why. It is a control factor, a church control factor in simpler terms. Why would the church want to control us? Well, let`s look at it in this way. If we were to fully think for ourselves, and do some very deep soul searching on our own (without the churches involvement), we would soon understand the true purpose of our being (who we are, and why we are here). That means that we would no longer need the church to guide us. Now, what would happen if that were to come to pass? The church would lose both power and money. They would lose the hold they have had on humanity sinse the church was formed. We would no longer need to turn to them for guidance. As you have done Good Wolf.

We are all one, yet seperate. I believe God, after our creation, allowed us to explore all that is, including love, hate, good, evil, life and death, all aspects of physical being, without the creators interference (the free will part of it). Now, when I talk of being one, I mean of one mind with god, all of us together in spirit. Now, when I talk of seperate, I mean, we are using the free will to learn all the aspects I stated above, as individuals, or seperate from one another. It would be amazing, if you were to take all of the things we have experienced as human beings, from the first time we stepped on this world, until this very day, just the thought of all these things would blow your mind. The thing we are running into, is the fact that we have become so immursed in this physical world, and thinking of ourselves as seperate beings, we have forgotten our true roots. We are all of one mind and being with God. We so much want to think of ourselves as individuals, that we are forgetting that we are not.

God does not judge us for this, we do. We judge ourselves, it is all part of the learning experience. God loves and trusts us enough(sinse we are a part of God) to do the right thing in the end. And what is the right thing in the end? That we grow spirituallty, back to the one, at our own pace. We are children who were given the time to explore far from home(god), and that as we explore, the journey takes us from our start and leads us back home (God).

There is nothing to fear in all of this Good Wolf. We create our own fears, demons and hell while we are here. So don`t be afraid to explore on your own. Don`t be afraid to go deep inside to find God, he is there. That is why we have the saying, seek and you will find, knock on that door deep inside of you, God will answer.





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Well put Good Wolf. Who, or what is God? Just look at everything that is around you, look up at the sky at night, the living energies that are in and around everything that is, the ground we walk on, everything we know, see and feel is a part of God. Some try and preceive God within the mind, and that`s as far as it goes, with no understanding as to how big God truly is. Now, if you were to expand that thought, so it would encompass all that there is, all thoughts, all space, all time(from start to finish)and all realities and all dimensions put together, that my friend, is God.

Something comes to my mind that you brought up Good Wolf, about a loving God. I see you thinking in these terms also. How can God hate some of those that he/she created? God is perfect. We are taking our preception of love and hate, then we put it with God, saying to ourselves, well, God must hate us then. No, we at times hate ourselves, just like we love ourselves. God being perfect, only loves. As I said before, God does not judge us, we judge ourselves. We have only been taught over time, that God will judge you in the end, no, we will do that. We as seperate beings, have created hate, and use it as part of the learning process we go through. It helps us to grow and understand ourselves, just as love does.

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Or perhaps we think too highly of ourselves when in reality we could just be lemmings in the eyes of the Gods.

It would explain why God or the Gods have allowed such inhumane deeds to be done against us. Perhaps there is something missing that most of us are just not getting?

Do I see a God that can be loving? Yes, but do I also see a God who is emotionally unavailable a lot of the time? Yes, and do I see the religions of the world "speaking" for God and are often mistranslating? Yes!

So the question may actually be; "What is it that we are not understanding regarding the Gods or heavenly congress?" Have we been presented with the wrong template of understanding worlds (spiritual or otherwise) beyond us?

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
Or perhaps we think too highly of ourselves when in reality we could just be lemmings in the eyes of the Gods.

It would explain why God or the Gods have allowed such inhumane deeds to be done against us. Perhaps there is something missing that most of us are just not getting?

Do I see a God that can be loving? Yes, but do I also see a God who is emotionally unavailable a lot of the time? Yes, and do I see the religions of the world "speaking" for God and are often mistranslating? Yes!

So the question may actually be; "What is it that we are not understanding regarding the Gods or heavenly congress?" Have we been presented with the wrong template of understanding worlds (spiritual or otherwise) beyond us?

I have to ask, MP. What inhumane deeds have been done to YOU? If they are too personal to share I understand.

Or are you being empathetic and saying that when inhumane deeds happen to others you feel it as well?

I had an experience a few years ago that led to me to accept that everything that happens to us is of our own doing. We freely choose for it to happen. Sometimes as a result of a trick or lack of knowledge but either way we bring it on ourselves.

When I look at the news, which regularly reports the inhumanity of man towards man. I can't shake the feeling that I don't actually know why those people are suffering in such a ridiculous fashion. Even in the story of Jesus it reveals that Jesus knowingly and willingly brought his end upon himself. He probably didn't know all the details of how it would go down, but he certainly did not expect to be crowned King and restored by his persecutors.

I would like to suggest that everyone you see or hear of dieing horribly probably agreed to it. People starving and wasting away from disease chose it. People who choose and seek life receive it. So, if there is something you are missing, it is the notion that people are choosing their own inhuman destruction. It just hurts to see it when it happens.

Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well when it first started, I would be thinking about something mundane like videos games or cornflakes etc. when before I knew it, my line of thinking had gone completely off and was going on about moral/logic meaningful ideas. For years now Ive walked everyday for a few hours, and as the voice became more concise, it would only occur on my walks.

If I were to take a transcript of the voice(s) in my head, while the only voice was mine, It was like dual identities in a single person complete with questioning, answering, contrast and even disagreement.

I was never told to do anything as an imperative- the messages were in the general form of speeches which I thought was really strange. If it(I?) said you should, it meant "one should"

But I'll give you an example of one of the messages. To paraphrase;
"To get peace with Jason, you need to make him know that no matter what he throws at you, or how offensive he gets, you will need to be a doormat and give him what he wants with an apology. Eventualy he'll give you a chance to express your self, and he will recognise something he likes in you."

I acted on this, and would you know it, it worked and now we are close as, because he trusts me.

The reason I ask is that the last time I knew someone who had god suddenly begin to talk to him, he turned out to be a raging schizophrenic. No joke. And he was right around your age. It doesn't sound like the same circumstances because 'god' was commanding this guy to do certain things, and the voice of 'god' was definitely not his voice.

If you ever start to hear voices that are not your own, please see a doctor immediately. Other than that, good luck on your quest.

Hi new here, found you while researching my own sites egyptiology and alien theory. I wanted to say congrats for becoming a non christian. Also that i have seen a vision of "Mary". Do not laugh it was during a Reiki master attunement. Since then she appears as bald and obviously from a world not here. I am completely devoted to debunking bible as a race of spacemen and have linked fact history and science.
Also i believe in many of the Marian mysteries of a feminine presence converting all to Jesus and his way of love and peace. My own area is crystal skulls as they are connected to places Mary has show herself to the masses accompnaied by rainbows. Don1t even get me started on colour!
Anyway hi brilliant read here and Kabbalah and emanation is all i can say. We are the lowest form of alien species in the family of 13.

Love and Light
Aradia

I have so been where you are. When my parents went through a divorce, I couldn't see how the God I was raised to believe in could ever allow our family to be demolished. Where was he when I needed him most? After that I went the direct opposite way. Everything I was taught not to do, I did with a passion. If God did exist, I purposely spit in his face. Everything I was taught to do meant nothing to me anymore. In my mind, if God did exist, he was an irresponsible and uncaring God. Why would I want to go to a heaven where he was IF he was real anyway? And if he is not real, neither is heaven, I was so hopeless that I went on a determined self destruction path. After all, if heaven doesn't exist, then why do I continue on in this miserable world any way?

After having my second abortion from a one-nightstand who happened to be a "Christian" yet didn't give a rat's behind about whether I had one or not, I was seriously suicidal. While I was in my dark bedroom physically recovering from my hopeless deed, My grandmother, who didn't have a clue brought me a glass of orange juice and said "here, this will give you strength." She might as well have been an angel. She saved my life. Her unconditional love was so amazing. She never asked me what was wrong. She only nurtured me.

For the first time in my life, I truly felt the love of God. Through her, He loved me so deeply. That was the beginning of my truce with God. Certainly I have been through so many other major things since then, but not without hope.

Several years later, I set out to know the truth. God had shown me that the church I grew up in gave me such a distorted view of Him that the "god" I believed in really wasn't real. He started showing Himself to me in so many amazing ways and even science confirms it all if your heart is open to find it.

Now, I am so close to Him(Him being all 3 in one) and how peaceful it is, I cannot speak the words. I only pray, Good Wolf, that the TRUE God, Yahweh Hasheem (Hebrew original name for God) would reveal Himself to you in such a way that you cannot deny His amazing existence.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
What is wrong with us having free will and God already knwoing what choices we will make? God transcends time and space. He saw the end from the beginning, and everything in between. If we are to be damned, it is our choices that will damn us, not God.

Absolutley nothing is wrong with that. Oh, except for the Hell and eternal torment part. I'll ask you a similar question. What is wrong with someone locking a kid in a room with a shotgun? That kid has freewill, so it's his choice if he blows his brains out or not. This is why it is up to those with more knowledge to look after those without. If God exists, then why did he create us fallible and then send us to Hell for being fallible? Also, why would he judge us for making us fallible? He's the one that made us fallible, not us.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I'm still waiting to hear where the stuff that went bang came from, and how it got there to go bang in the first place.

And you will be waiting a long time, because science has not progressed that far. The problem with the human mind is that it feels insecure when it does not have the answers. Because of this, it creates answers such as "God did it". I could ask you similar questions about your God, but I'm sure you would say that just because you can't answer them does not mean that he doesn't exist, so why do you ask questions of us when we are still learning? You use logic when trying to disprove atheist, yet when it comes to God, you throw logic out the window.

Also, even if what you say is correct, and there is a creator, why not any other deity? Because you live in your society, you chose God, but if you had been born in China, you would be praising Buddha right now. Is God racist? It seems he would be, as according to Christians, 99% of the Chinese population were only born in this world to die and suffer eternity in Hell. Yep, there's a loving God alright.