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Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Typical Atheist/Gnostic drivel. Set pre-conditions and build a box with them, then climb inside and close the lid behind you. Discount the very information you need to make an informed decision.
Originally posted by Pauligirl
Now, about that voice in your head.....I have a sneaking suspicion it sounded like you.
Originally posted by Eleleth
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by Good Wolf
According to the anti-Christ bible God is the devil and Satan is the Lord.
There is a hint that Satan is not the wicked one in the bible. Notice in Revelation 13 Who made war "with" the saints? "With" is not "against".
Well, there were those such as the Cathars who believed that the Old Testament God was the devil himself (citing John 8:44 or similar), but it usually didn't extend to the NT
Originally posted by aftershocklegend
yea science made itself... thats pretty deep... how did you come up with such wisdom? and i am far from a preacher he asked for our opinion so i gave him my thought... thats all if it didnt help, I hope he finds the only one truth out there, all i know is the things that came to my understanding and how i belive i didnt belive before but something showed me (say what you will) but if god exists (god help you)
Originally posted by Good Wolf
I'm desperately looking for the answer to two questions:
I realise that there is a deep seeded desire for life to have meaning and for there to be an afterlife and for 'God' to love us but it all just appears to be derived from an instinctual fear of death.
Do we believe in God because we need there to be an afterlife?!
The idea that God does not exist and that there is nothing after death terrifies me, as you would expect, and for the first real time in my life I am afraid of death.
do you remember what it was like before you were born? niether do I. If there is no Afterlife Then there is no fear ( It is pointless) But I would realize Gods devine control over christanity being when truly understood not by fundimentalist but by truth of Gods living word the bible. I would search for the deeper meaning of the bible and quit listening to people like (Watchnlearn),(getoutofmyrabbithole)(especially amaterasu and tatoo1377) attack me cowards, dont attack someone who was asking for help. who is weak in understanding Gods true nature, hes asking for help (spiritually they are blinded by God for there Disbelief) God choses those who chose him!
[edit on 1-9-2008 by aftershocklegend]
Originally posted by aftershocklegend
maybe partly true thank you...but i am pulling you back to a realationship with god .thats all that matters in this brief existance.
Originally posted by Good Wolf
Then things got shaky for me when 6 months ago I started hearing a voice in my head (which I later attributed to God) and it taught me many lesions and wonderful messages. Acting upon the voice, I applied the ideas to a troublesome relationship I had. A friend of my friend (lets call him Jason) hated me and let me know it. 2 months after the voice started, Jason respected me, and we became close, he confided in me and trusted me for advice.
The voice brought a lot of life and love to me but it made me critical of my Church because of the overwhelming hipocrisy, double standars, and most of all, apathy. I stopped going and sought to follow what I called "pure christianity" which entailed looking inward to where I could hear God and seeking understanding.[edit on 8/31/2008 by Good Wolf]
Why do I dream?
Why fame, fortune and success? Why do I fantasize of great conflict, where all the odds are stacked against me as if the world opposed me? I grit my teeth, grip my sword tightly, and with a bellowing war cry, I charge into certain doom full tilt. The fight is savage and relentless, and after hordes and legions fall to my sword and pistol.
Why do I dream of heroism, grandiose bravery and above all: Victory?
Why do I travel into these fantasies everyday?
My life today in this world is markedly different from the fantasy. I am expected to get a career and to do the 40 x 40 x 40:
40 hours per week, 40 weeks per year for 40 years, retire (or not) and have my life make no more mark on this world than a mere statistic.
Its a sad thought that this lifestyle, while completely insignificant, is a lifestyle that my fathers and fore fathers crafted for themselves and thusly me through the mechanics of society.
Why do we so willingly hand over all our freedom for the facade of financial security, job security and endless insurance when we know that nothing is 'for sure’?
We build our lives to be risk less. We form a bubble around us in an attempt to try to protect us from loss. Only that materialistic can be so paranoid because the only real things of value to us cannot be lost at all. Our souls, spirit and character cannot be taken; they can only be given away. Have we been deceived? Tricked into giving them away for a life of monotony?
So why do I dream? Why do I have passion as it only reminds me of my pettiness? All I know is that God made me for a reason, a purpose. I am constantly reminded that there is a plan for my life, but what is it? No one can tell me! I am stuck with a question 'What is my purpose?' and I am consistently distracted by my dreams and passions.
I must be blind! The louder I shouted the more vivid my dreams became. They are the answer!
I have seen many and know many who live so apathetically wishing they were told their purpose in the form of where to go and what to do and when. It is written that man is made in the likeness of God, but also that every man is unique. It strikes me that God, like in the parable of the talents, invests in us, not money but gifts in the form of talents, circumstance and most of all, spirit. When we wait for detailed instructions on where to go and what to do, we don’t realize that in reality we have been given a compass rather than a map. It kind of makes sense when I step back and look at the whole thing. I am in the wilderness known as life with a compass. I don't know the way home, its getting dark but God is my walking buddy. He knows the way but wont do it all for me, apparently I am meant to discover that for myself. As I start walking with him I know that I am going to get into some sticky situations and at times will be in over my head but God tells me that when it happens, he will pull me out. Why does he make me do this, why not just tell me? What is so important about this journey? Is it more important than the destination? I hope not because this will be hard and I will certainly not get there in the same condition as I started.
Or is that the point? ...
Originally posted by drevill
Let me say that your questions of God are in fact crude. you say you used to teach, i thank the Lord he took you away from them.
you question the existence of God because you couldn't find the answers. and you were persuaded otherwise. Or was it that you couldn't or didn't want to live by his rules?