New ex-Christian who is lost in his own freedom and uncertainty., page 2
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 07:25 PM by Tattoo1377
reply to post by Good Wolf



I mean, to send a letter to whatever institution baptised you, with a written statement nullifying anything their certificate of baptism said, along with witness signatures, and notarised if possible.

Peace Bro!


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:00 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Tattoo1377



Well in my OP, I link to this site, but it's not the church that baptised me, I havn't been a member of the church that baptised me for ages.

I supposed I could do two, one for the baptism and one for um.. volinary-disownment.



reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:04 PM by MatrixProphet
reply to post by Good Wolf



I starred you. I was not able to get to computer for I have had company. I would like to contribute more to this very good thread as I have more time.

You are a smart, humble young person. I admire your conviction and questioning.

The advice I would give is this: do not throw the baby out with the bath water! Because religion does not work for you, do not throw the concept of God out. It is just that; he does not fit our religious concept that we have been taught. It does not mean therefore that he does not have his own personality.

I have had to recover from hopeless states of mind. It required a higher power to overcome unbelievable challenges. That would include many addictions and spiritual bankruptcy. I personally have had too many examples of times where I had divine intervention. Too many to count. More than once - he saved my life.

That being said, I consider myself a spiritual scientist. Meaning; you cannot have science without a God, nor God without science. The two go together. If I leave the fanatical rule oriented, prejudiced God out of the picture, it leaves new paths to explore.

I believe it is a cop-out to deny the existence of God and rather narcissistic. Just because we don't agree with him or even understand him, does not translate to his non-existence. What it means is; we have the opportunity to get to know a very abstract being and one that does not enjoy being pigeon holed! Do we? Religion pigeon holes him (and that includes atheism), we have the choice to not go with the masses.

Is there an afterlife? Who knows! Go with your gut. But know that if you choose a spiritual path, you will have many questions and many changes. Letting go of the "fairy dust" is hard. All religions including eastern, use or believe in; fairy dust. Take what you want, and leave the rest, until you have a clear idea of what seems right to you.

You do not have to decide today!

Your friend, Matrix


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:39 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by asmeone2



Well then this probably isnt the best time to bring this up.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:53 PM by Mabus
reply to post by Good Wolf



According to the anti-Christ bible God is the devil and Satan is the Lord.

There is a hint that Satan is not the wicked one in the bible. Notice in Revelation 13 Who made war "with" the saints? "With" is not "against".

The anti-Christ bible explains a lot. And there is life and paradise after being here. There is death and hell for just the devil and the betrayors.

The battle been won since thing are eternal. Nothing you can do to get into death and hell if you aren't the betrayor seen before being born as to something you'd do against the Lord.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:15 PM by Good Wolf
I don't know this anti-christ bible that you speak of but are you refering to this:

copy pasted from a doc om my computer
Now here comes an even more shocking Bible realization: the name "Lucifer" (another name for Satan) means light bearer, or morning star. On the very last page of the Bible Jesus reveals himself and provides the amazing kicker ending of the entire "Holy" Bible: I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.-Revelation 22:16 And the very last words of Jesus in the Bible, makes it the greatest and longest-lived lie of all time (something only a devil would say): Surely, I come quickly.-Revelation 22:20 Perhaps the reader will now understand why some Satanist cults use the same Bible as the Christians. Note: The idea of the name Lucifer as synonymous with Satan goes back for centuries. In Isaiah 14:12, St. Jerome, translated the Hebrew word for "morning star" into the Latin term "Lucifer" (light bearer), a name commonly ascribed to Satan by Christians, and represents the fallen star, an ancient symbol for the fallen or evil one. In the NRSV Bible version, Isaiah 14:12 describes the fallen as "O Day Star, son of Dawn!" The Day Star, or morning star actually refers to the planet Venus, although, of course, the ancients did not know about planets. Venus always appears low on the horizon and the ancients thought of it as a star fallen from heaven (fallen angel). Venus also appears as the brightest "star" in the sky, thus the reference to the "bright and morning star" in Rev. 22:16. Although the Isaiah verse describes the fallen king of Babylon, Christians have, for centuries, ascribed Satan as taking many forms (for example the serpent). Thus, a conclusion, based on Christian beliefs of Satan, and the belief in the "inerrancy" of the Bible, one must conclude that Jesus has revealed himself as Satan!


Is that what you mean? More
here

That's an incredibly controversial look at Jesus



reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:20 PM by asmeone2
reply to post by Good Wolf



One thing to keep in mind is that there is a difference between the text of a religion, and the way that man mistranslates/misinterpretes/exploits it.

I do not put that much stock in the Revelations prophecies, or any of the biblibal ones really, since they are so vague, but I'm not going to rule out the fact that they might describe some kind of future events. (Most cultures have their version of TEOTW, it isn't unique to Christianity, and fascinating to study that in a comparative light.)

What I really object to is the people who expect it to play out in a Left-Behind type of fasion, or see the prophecies of Revelation in *every* current event.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:34 PM by Icarus Rising
reply to post by Good Wolf




"God loves you Jesus died for your sins... blah blah blah" I know all that! What new material can you bring to the table to justify swallowing all that bollocks?!


In order to do that I will need to know what you consider to be the "contradictions and inconsistencies" of the Bible.

On the other hand, it may not do any good, as your heart could be the stony or weed choked ground referred to by Christ in the parable of the sower.

I am willing to give it a try, though. God deserves my best effort.


James 5

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.



reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:34 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Icarus Rising



Since I have no reason to believe that Jesus Christ even existed, why would any quoting of Jesus mean anything to me?

You cannot prove to me that the bible is true by using scripture when the validity of the scripture is in question?

It's like trying to explain the meaning of a word and using said word in the meaning.


Its a fallacy.

[edit on 8/31/2008 by Good Wolf]


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:43 PM by Eleleth
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to
post by Good Wolf


According to the anti-Christ bible God is the devil and Satan is the Lord.

There is a hint that Satan is not the wicked one in the bible. Notice in Revelation 13 Who made war "with" the saints? "With" is not "against".

Well, there were those such as the Cathars who believed that the Old Testament God was the devil himself (citing John 8:44 or similar), but it usually didn't extend to the NT

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Eleleth]


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 09:48 PM by Icarus Rising
reply to post by Good Wolf



As you wish. Just remember, God isn't the one turning His back. He will always be right there next to you.

Pick up a dictionary sometime and read the definition of just about any word. Then read the definitions of the words used to define said word. Repeat this process, and before long you will be back to the original word you sought to define. Most definitions end up being circular. Man's logic is ultimately no different.


Luke 9

62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.


[edit on 31-8-2008 by Icarus Rising]


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 10:02 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Icarus Rising



Look. Your not contributing anything to this thread. If you wanna post, go back to the OP and don't base you arguments on fallacies.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 10:05 PM by asmeone2
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to
post by Icarus Rising



Look. Your not contributing anything to this thread. If you wanna post, go back to the OP and don't base you arguments on fallacies.


Hey GW, please, be a little bit more respectful to people--they don't deserve to be vilified just because they do follow a religion. Assuming that someone who follows a particular path only because they are blind,or that they're going to have a cathartic moment when you say they beleive in a fallacy, has the opposite effect of making you look more enlightened.



reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 10:09 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by asmeone2



When I say fallacy, I dont mean the belief I mean the argument they use to justify. This is what I'm talking about.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 10:48 PM by Icarus Rising
reply to post by Good Wolf



This thread is not worthy of further contribution. Typical Atheist/Gnostic drivel. Set pre-conditions and build a box with them, then climb inside and close the lid behind you. Discount the very information you need to make an informed decision.

Answer me this. Where did the stuff that went bang in the Big Bang come from? How did it get there?

Do yourself a favor and read "Classic Christianity".

Peace. Out.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Icarus Rising]
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