Johnny's back from the Gilliland Ranch in Washington.. & "OH BOY"!, page 10

reply to post by Scramjet76

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Hey, cool!

Is there some cheap way to test out the battery-charging thing? Would you be willing to do it Scramjet?

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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there are several things of note when it comes to the ranch. There are the sightings over Mt. Adams and the activity in the skies. There's the so called orbs (which we've pretty much explained as dust from the dirt and echinacia plants). Then there's James and his spiritual beliefs regarding the region, the mountain and the visitations.

We went there to see the activity in the skies as this is the one aspect of the total package that we could all see with our own eyes and, as a team, discuss and try to explain. The orb discussion took place on the first night and was summarily dismissed as dust without much need for further research. James and his guests brought up the orbs as they were prevalent in their photos. As I said, we quickly explained it and moved back to the task at hand, the skies.

James' spirituality, his claims of recharging batteries, shapeshifting on film etc were not given much attention because none of this had any bearing on the activity in the skies. James is an extremely nice guy and a very gracious host so, when he brought up some of these other things, we did our best to listen and let him speak but it was not part of our investigation and, therefore, wasn't given much attention. Truth is, I don't believe he can recharge batteries, I didn't put much stock into the many photos he showed me as evidence of his changing into a cat or being visited etc. My problem with stories told to me usually center on my not being there and my not having enough faith in anyone but myself to give me an accurate description of the events. I'll give you an example of how hard it is to convince me of something.

I met Johnny in person for the first time on this trip. I've spoken with him on the phone a few times and emailed back and forth with him for over a year but this was our first face to face meeting. I consider him to be a good friend and I put a lot of stock in his knowledge in the field of ufology. He's an amazing investigator and he's very well known in the field when it comes to filming and investigating aerial anomolies. He's also very passionate about this. He was like a kid in a candy store on the ranch. He was really in his element. (we were all a bit starry eyed over the prospect of being there). Anyway, after we left, he told us about the amazing footage he was capturing. This, to me, is as good as me seeing it first hand because I know how he operates and how dedicated he is to the integrity of his footage. Had he told me he saw a triangle craft and aliens came down and landed nearby, I would not believe it without pictures. James was very good at raising the excitement level whenever we saw something. He was very good at getting the team worked up over things and this, I believe, helps taint the sighting to some degree. So, when a light would appear in the sky and we all started watching it, we all saw the same thing and we could all try and figure out what it might be. When James starts saying "look it's powering up, look, there it goes...powering up...it must be calling up another ship..etc" he is actually pushing the mind towards believing that it is a spaceship and that there is something alien going on above you. Is that the case? Don't know but when you have a "cheerleader" pumping you up, you are going to be easier to convince.

Thus, I say again, James is not an integral part of this investigation. The lights in the sky were there. If James was in his house making eggs they still would have been there and we would have been focusing on them. If James told me he was going to shift into a cat for me, I'd have gladly taken the pictures and tried to debunk it but I wasn't there for that as I don't believe it can be done - why waste my time and money to see something that I am fairly sure cannot be done without an inexpensive camera and a shaky hand.

reply to post by MrdDstrbr

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drain your batteries down to nothing and then let him try and charge them.


Johnny did it. He bought some batteries that didn't work right out of the package. He gave them to James and James gave it his best shot and when they didn't charge he said it was probably a result of their never being properly charged.

There's always an excuse for these things.

reply to post by MrdDstrbr

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I would but sounds like Crakeur and Johnny already tried it. I don't want to hassle James about magic tricks either. I'm going to the ranch as a skeptic. I'm going to focus on the skies from 10pm to as late as I can keep my eyes open.

reply to post by Crakeur

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thanks for your response on this 'battery' talk though i guess when Johnny mentions this in his post you have to expect that you will get inquiries.
you have made your point re not discussing the ranch/james and supposive powers though maybe pass those onto your fellow compats so it dosent raise intrest and we stick to the point.

sorry to bring the 'naughty word' up again

reply to post by enlighten2012

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Hey, we have to have SOMETHING to talk about until they release all the video

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by Scramjet76

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Hey, cool!

Is there some cheap way to test out the battery-charging thing? Would you be willing to do it Scramjet?

Very simple. A $10-$15 volt-ohm meter from Walmart and a dead battery that you have somehow marked. A U.V. ink would be particularly sneaky.
Check the battery before and after. If it's charged after, I'll believe it and I'm a quite a skeptic of such claims. Many of the volt-ohm meters are specially calibrated for 1.5 and 9 volt batteries as well as other voltages. A great tool for checking the batteries in your battery drawer, workshop, junkbox or whatever. I always take several electronic devices, including my meter on my U.F.O. field trips.

All of the the video will be great to see, but let's give them enough time to do it right. I'm still working on things from Stephenville.





[edit on 9/2/2008 by TheAvenger]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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No real investigation can be performed without looking at all of the aspects of the phenomena. You fail UFO investigations 101 on your first field trip! Rationalise it in any way you want, your host was a very important part of the overall study. I strongly suggest that you study some Mufon UFO investigation manuals or whatever you blokes have there before your next effort. The Johnny 5 fellow or whatever his name is seems much more experienced in these field studies. Perhaps he can help you develop the proper skill sets. Amatuers cannot produce professional results, just a rule of the universe, no offense, mate.

I may join ATS as an open member at some later date.

Well that's a whole lot of typing without actually saying a single thing!

If you have a point to make, make it! Don't skirt around the issue, making accusations using nothing but guesswork. You appear to be doing nothing but suggesting you know better but you have done nothing to prove that.

I could easily go on a psychology forum, after a Doctor has posted a video of his lecture and spout out exactly the same #e you have just done. Doesn't make it true, doesn't show I know better, it would only make me look like a bit of a prick!

reply to post by triplesod

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You know, some of us are looking for more than entertainment. Entertainment is actually the opposite of why Im here. Truth comes before being entertained.

reply to post by karmick

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Hey, great post there karmick.

As you aptly pointed out, JA's testimony of the battery recharging is crystal-clear. And it is interesting that the producers of "Contact Has Begun" say the same thing too....

This is definitely something worth a second look IMHO. Especially since all it will take to verify it is a video camera, a $15 volt-meter, and a few dead batteries....

I did not realize beforehand that we were not supposed to comment on ANYthing other than what was being seen in the air near Mt Adams. I figured we could discuss anything that was included in either Johnny's appearance on James' radio show, or what was mentioned (if only briefly), in Johnny's own thread.

On Aug 17th, jpvskyfreak, started a thread informing everyone that Johnny was on James' radio show. www.abovetopsecret.com...'

In this broadcast, Johnny explains at length what happened with his batteries.


Aug 30th, Johnny posts a thread informing ATS that he's back from the Gilliland Ranch. www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Both thread titles include the words Gilliland...or James. But, discussing James Gilliland is off-topic? I may have missed it but, again, I didn't see in Johnny's OP where talking about James himself or his alleged abilities were off topic. Maybe the threads in question should be edited to include in the title, that ONLY discussion of what is being seen in the air there is on the table. Maybe it should be more clear that the team did not go there to investigate James, or his alleged abilities. If that's the case, just say you went to Mt Adams, it doesn't matter where you actually stayed.

Sorry if this is off-topic, as I , again, am not talking about what was seen in the air at James Gilliland's ranch.

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