To be honest from my point of view it's always been pretty obvious, it's just rather hard to prove

Good post Polaris.

I think the government technology is a good 50 years ahead of what the public thinks it is. We have all heard the stories that we back engineer from wrecked ufo debris.

I was in the USAF from 93-97. I know this might be hearsay, but one gentleman I was involved with told me when his dad was a young man in the USAF he stumbled into a airplane hanger and there happen to be a stealth sitting there. This would put the time frame in the late 60's or early 70's.

I am lead to believe the US Government are no longer in possession of such exotic weaponry, they have been privatized off as its pretty obvious Governments can't keep secrets like Corporations can.

I imagine a "Skunk Works" type senario were the private contractors own the craft and man it under orders from a US Government ( Back Ops or Who ever ) that pay for the priviledge to develop and lease back these craft to keep arms distance from them.

Think about Black Water only its an Air Craft Power that you rent and support with scientist's and seed capital to propagate the efficiencies of Private Corporations and their tight lipped attitudes to protect investments ect...

The real problems with this system is the "Rogue" element that have their own agenda or would be prepared to sell their "wares" to the highest bidders. I would think this problem is taken care of by the means of the threat of execution or indefinite imprisonment of the CEO's if they stray from the path.

You guys are probably right on the money when you talk about the real technology that the USAF has and the idea of their tech being 50 years ahead isn't far of either.

I was also thinking that perhaps some of the "retired" or abandoned projects for instance the XB-70 Valkyrie were actually continued in the dark or maybe taken a few steps further (e.g. evolution on a particular concept) in secret.
The XB-70 may have been the public version of the aircraft used just so the project could be seen to be publicly scrapped whilst development was continued in secret.

The only way we will know what the USAF really has up its sleeve will be if a major world-wide conflict occurs.

Originally posted by fishneedh2o
Good post Polaris.

I think the government technology is a good 50 years ahead of what the public thinks it is. We have all heard the stories that we back engineer from wrecked ufo debris.

I was in the USAF from 93-97. I know this might be hearsay, but one gentleman I was involved with told me when his dad was a young man in the USAF he stumbled into a airplane hanger and there happen to be a stealth sitting there. This would put the time frame in the late 60's or early 70's.

Just a little thing to thing about…

The F-111 was the last of the "Century" series aircraft
--program started in 1962
--First plane delivered 18 July 1967
The F-4 was the first of the new numbering system
--program started in 1955
--First plane delivered 30 Dec 1960

Then you have the F-117. Looking at the program start dates and delivery dates of the last two tell me that the 117 was in design around the mid - late 60's and delivered in the early to mid 70's. But the public did not know of them until Panama, which was 1989?

Then you have the B-2, which looks almost exactly like the YB-49 built in 1947. Both planes have the same wingspan (172ft) and almost the same configuration. The YB-49 was "cancelled" mainly because of the problem with the flight controls. Ummm; combine the airframe of the 40's with the computer control systems of the 80's?

The USA has "forgotten" how to go to the moon, so I'm pretty sure they don't have any hidden technology seeing they have run out of Nazi German scientists and they can't really invent anything good themselves.

I do believe they are spreading conspiracy theories to make people think they have hidden technology so that they don't look like idiots who can't invent anything new and good in the eyes of the public.

I saw with my own eyes a steath ship under wraps in san diego over 9 years ago and I have never heard a peep about it publicly, saw at the time some images in popular science and then...nada

curious as to how many we built

It was tripoded like an outrigger canoe, very little was in the water, maybe just inches of the 3 rigs and it's outer surface looked like a stealth fighter aside from a very odd paint job which was not a solid color but rather patterns

it was partially revealed there was a wooden enclosure around it I happened to get a glance while it was open, was visiting a friend, but the odd thing was a big deal was not made of me being there (pre 9-11)

I was asked to go after about 10 minutes but in a non hostile way...

We are... way beyond what we reveal, that's for sure, lets face it what we use in our wars is designed to sell weapons, we haven't had a real war since WW2, not one that required bringing anything out of the junk closet

it will be interesting to see what we reveal in WW3 ( for the few minutes I get to see it lol)

Yeah I liked that stealth ship. It was discussed in the skunk works book. IT was claimed that the navy canceled it due to the speculation that one or two of these stealth ships operating like mobile missile launchers could do the work of an entire fleet, and they didn't like the idea. especially since the ships only require a 3 man crew or something really small.

For a while when they were testing it out by san clemente they were having problems with it casting too big of a wake. they couldn't figure out why until they brought the boat into a dry dock and found out the screws were mounted backwards or something.

I like the idea of the stealth boat. especially when combined with thermo optic camo so that satellites have a hard time finding it. The ship could have probably stalked an enemy fleet and sunk it quite easily. but only if it's acoustically hard to track. it's gotta evade the subs somehow.

I agree with the OP the tech must be very very impressive, and I think that some factions of the govt. can keep very deep secrets.

Also, the F-117 has been decommissioned. I wonder what sort of insane tech they have replaced it with, and I don't think it's the f-22.

Also that F-22 is probably hiding a lot of technical surprises in it's airframe. Thermo optic camo maybe, engines capable of a much larger output than is claimed. a much higher flight ceiling. Electronics that can play some serious tricks on the enemys electronics. Who knows.

I think what you're saying is right. They're not going to have their latest up to date technologies known to the public. Cos' then other countries would know what they're dealing with IF they ever wished to attack

The secrecy is a form of national defense, and it is one of the major reasons that our country is so safe. Most nations are not willing to call our "bluff" and then realizing that we weren't bluffing.

I have spoken with several individuals inside the US Government and several very large defense contractors. I have been told several things that I thought was interesting, but there is no way that I can verify it, as no proof was given. They were that:

1) We have cloaking technology.
2) We have nearly unlimited energy technologies.
3) We have teleportation technology.
4) We have a small fleet of space craft.
5) We have bases on the Moon and Mars.

I have also been told that our technologies make Star Trek look primitive. They also mentioned that much of the black world is funded through the 'trickling down' of advanced older technologies, licensing them to companies, allowing them to "develop" them and apply them to technologies that we see available in commercial and consumer applications. The fees they receive from licensing old advanced technologies literally pour billions upon billions into these black endeavors every year. This is all done through offshore corporations that "own" the technology and license it, which act as a front to protect these entities from public scrutiny.

I don't know the whole story, but these are a few tidbits I have picked up along the way. But as I said, I have no idea if any of it is true besides the words of those I have spoken with.

Well of course not only this
thats why we are discussing UFOs here as the advanced weapon
which was used at WW2... ages ago and still not used as an official weapon,
I wonder why they wouldn't show it as those crafts up there. Is it illegal or something? Oh yes I know, I read the article here, if they did show it the rich people will be poor. much about it if anyone needs the article tells me.

Interesting thread!

I only recently learned that the USA had developed (with England's assistance) a jet fighter during World War II (the XP-59A), and flew reconnaissance drones over Vietname during the '60's.

What I've been wondering, personally, is what recon plane has replaced the SR-71.

And, also, yeah--we know about the YF-22 and the 35...but what're the ones we DON'T know about? The USAF/CIA always has aces up their sleeves--it seems for every leaked black aircraft, there are unleaked black aircraft.

As for a fleet of spacecraft--well, heck--the X15 reached that arbitrarily named place called "space" back in the 50's, before the Gemini project became successful, didn't it? I may be an ignorant noob compared to ya'all, but isn't it entirely feasible that nowadays, with the advancements of fly-by-wire technology, a fleet of practical spacecraft exists (I'm not talking about the cumbersome cargoships called shuttles!).

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Edit to add: and as for the US Navy--just wondering: isn't it entirely possible the Navy's developed a stealthy submarine? Something facetted with an acoustic absorbing cover to deflect and absorb sonar?

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Wonderful thread guys,

Lets keep it going.

As I said here on ATS before, My uneducated guess would be that, yes, the govt tech is at least 50 years ahead of what we now see. I believe that when new tech is revealed, the govt already has tech that makes what they just revealed look stone aged by comparison.

Anyway, great thread.