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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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It appears, to me, to be a blown glass object with a flashlight or some portable light source inserted into it.

If he truly has more images or video then you would think he would want to release them in order to create a more solid claim. The excuse he uses of the "message" being important and not wanting to draw negative attention is ridiculous.

Too bad the aliens that visit these individuals don't bring along with them a PR person to help them roll out their message in a more believable manner.




posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 01:35 PM
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Hello Pocky, I promised to look at all the footage which I done in order to give you my opinion about it all.
Well here it is.

I think he is just as his lovely wife and parents a very honest and sincere almost average person.
I said almost because the only difference is that some Extraterrestrial intelligence has chosen him to show us that they are really here.
I think he is absolute not out for the money, so that must definitely say something in his favour about the matter, because what usually is used to debunk such cases like this here on ATS is the fact that it is all for the money.
I think he really experienced the things he says and the interesting part of the different appearances of those crafts is that they can in my opinion indeed be in a state of pure matter or pure energy or something between those two forms.
It is just as walking in the park for them.
They left the nuts and bolts technology for so long now that they hardly can remember how it was done back then.
I think his images and videos are real and no fakes.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz picture by Jim Dilletoso,
Jim Dilletoso conclusion on that moment was.
This is an authentic picture of very unusual phenomena on an unusual object.
I don’t think it is being faked.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz picture by Dr. Robert Nathan of NASA who where refuted by Prof. Dr. Corrado Malanga, Prof. Manfred Kage, Bob Shell.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz video by Jim Dilletoso, his understandable doubts about the authenticity of the beams of light emitted from the craft because of the speed of light in relation with the visible beams of lights in the footage.
My personal opinion is that those beings are capable of emitting speed controlled light-beams, in other words, they are capable of influencing the speed of light.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz himself about the strange movement of the object.

It does me good to see some of Billy Meiers impressive footage also.

Very interesting explanations of Michael Hesemann.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz pictures by Col. Philip Corso.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz pictures by Prof. Dr. Auguste Meessen.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz pictures by Prof. James J. Hurtak.

Very interesting explanations of Carlos Diaz by entering the craft and his experiences in that cave, the Maya culture and there possible Extraterrestrial connection.

Good to see the too early deceased Dr. John E. Mack.

Good to see and listen to the things Jaime Maussan says about the volcano and many sightings that are seen there.
Even by a film group of the BBC.

So, my final conclusion is that the Carlos Diaz case is real and a very solid case.

It is footage that must normally be of very highly interest of the scientific community, but it goes as always with things like this, they are ignoring it.


[edit on 2/9/08 by spacevisitor]



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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POCKY,
thank you for this thread! star and flag

JEROME NEWTON,
My thoughts exactly on the star named maya dilema. but i dont want to turn a cold shoulder on the case because of my "sudden" speculation.

THE ONED EYED PROPHET,
I commend you on keeping the thread focused, you have very valuable input and i want you to know i listened. stared you many times.

W3RLIED2,
I truely enjoyed how outspoken and bold you are with this case, stared you many times.

THE GRAYONE,
sorry SUM STONER had to try and turn this into a "third world" thread, but i want to assure you that the dominican's have THE MOST beautiful women on the planet


SUM STONER,
ATS points= brain cell count

these are my thoughts before watching the video, i would like to say that the dorothy izzat phenomena is drawing a huge parallel to this case, www.capturingthelightdvd.com for a trailer.

ill repost later after watching, but im sure i wont have anything to say that hasnt already been said. long gone are days of tree hugging, IM a space hugger




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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 02:19 PM
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Do you think some of them could be aliens, since they have this out of this world beauty?


I guess some people, like sum stoner, need to degrade other people in order to feel good about themselves. I already forgave him, because if I don't I would be just like him




posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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This has never been proven a hoax, the only close thing to a debunking is this website by a mexican "researcher" , and I quote researcher, because as you will see this man believes that what he has to say is the law.

This man obviously has a vendetta against Jaime MAussan, man that you all probably know, but this is what I know, and somehow complements the video, in the first documentary, Mr. Hesseman interviews Jaime MAussan, as he is one of the few people Carlos Diaz approaches with some amazing pictures, Mr. Diaz didn't have a video camera back then, this to me clears up the issue of Mr. Diaz having the money to hoax all of this, Jaime Maussan was seen quite differently back in the nineties, he loans Carlos Diaz the Hi8 videocamera, Carlos gives Jaime MAussan his pictures, the whole lot of them, in exchange for it.

A few days later he takes some of the most amazing footage ever seen, again its all on the video documentary, when the lid blows off in one UFO congress JAime Maussan sees the opportunity to strike it big, he start selling one series of videos on the subject, and he uses in the covers one of the ships of lights photographed by Carlos Diaz.
Maussan is a good friend of Mr. Hesseman, and a meeting is arranged.

Now, when Maussan is trying to sell his videos he starts taking Carlos along for some, but never did he endorse or make any money out of the whole ordeal.
In fact Carlos Diaz gets tired of the whole situation and leaves the current agreements, some time after that he decides to retire form the spotlight, as the message had already gotten out.

Here is the supposedly debunk

and here are some quotes from it:


Para demostrar sus afirmaciones, éste asegura tener una colección de más de 1000 filmaciones de "naves" que, según él, se ha comprobado que son auténticas en "la NASA y en Japón". Aunque no es esto el interés de este artículo, no está de más decir que esas filmaciones son un completo catálogo de confusiones que un investigador mínimamente experimentado rápidamente puede comprobar que son luces de aviones, planetas, estrellas, fraudes y, principalmente, globos... Pero claro, quienes decimos que es anti-ufológico que se filmen 1000 OVNIs en un año - porque se pierde la extrañeza en los avistamientos y en la casuística - somos intolerantes - Pero ellos, que venden por N$85 (unos 30 dólares) sus filmaciones en una sensacionalista serie de video titulada "Luces en el Cielo", son los pobres Galileos que quieren demostrarle al mundo la verdad oculta.


Translation:

To prove his claims, he says have a collection of over 1000 filmings of "craft", which he has been found to be genuine by "NASA and Japan." Although this is not the interest of this article is not to say that most of these films are a comprehensive catalogue of confusion that a minimally experienced researcher can quickly verify that planes are lights, planets, stars, fraud and mainly balloons .. . But of course, who say it is anti-ufológical that 1000 film UFOs in a year - is lost because the strangeness in sightings and the casuistry - we are intolerant - But they, who sell N $ 85 (about 30 dollars) films in a series of sensational video entitled "Lights in the Sky" are the poor Galileans who want to show the world the truth hidden.


a personal attack against Maussan not Carlos




Corría el año 1978. Por aquel entonces la sub-dirección de la revista "Contactos Extraterrestres" estaba a cargo del periodista Héctor Chavarría. Debido al éxito comercial de ésta era común que en la redacción se presentaran personas a contar algún caso OVNI que les hubiese ocurrido. Otros se presentaban diciendo ser contactados, abducidos y algunos más, unos pocos, presentaban fotografías de "platos voladores" para ser publicadas. Un día, Héctor Chavarría recibe a una persona que se presenta a la redacción, una persona que le presenta unas fotografías de un OVNI tomadas en la colonia Coyoacan, en el Distrito Federal. Héctor le pide los negativos para analizarlos, pero la persona nunca se los da. Debido a esto "Contactos" nunca se hace eco de ese "avistamiento" ni de las fotografías y el caso en general... La persona mencionada era el futuro "contactado" Carlos Díaz. Diez años después, en 1988, Díaz asiste a otro medio de comunicación, "Radio Fórmula", y ahí, a las afueras, espera al locutor y ufólogo Pedro Ferriz, decano de los ufólogos en México. Al encontrarlo le muestra sus fotos.
Ferriz no les da mayor importancia pues sus entonces 40 años de experiencia ufológica le indican que las fotos son excesivamente fraudulentas. Por segunda ocasión Díaz fracasaba en su intento por difundir su historia...


Translation:

It was the year 1978. At the time the sub-direction of the magazine "Contacto Alien" was in charge of journalist Hector Chavarria. Due to the commercial success of it was common to be submitted in writing to people tell them that some UFO event occurred. Others were saying be contacted, and abducted some more, a few, showed photographs of "flying saucers" to be published.

One day, Hector Chavarria gets a person who is submitted to the wording, a person who submitted photographs taken of a UFO in the colony Coyoacan, in the Federal District. Hector asked to analyse the negative, but the person never gives them. Because of this "Contacts" never echoes that "sighting" or the photographs and the case in general ... The person referred to the future was "contacted" Carlos Diaz.



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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 02:38 PM
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sorry im not providing links but yeah your on to something.lol have you read about the farm boy who was in brazil and was abducted one night and forced to have sex with this extremely hot alien female. although she had those draw dropping hips and huge breasts the cheek bones were a little high and the eyes were larger and darker, but he said the skin was so smooth there was no peach fuzz on her face and her hair was super silky..

its a very interesting case to happened in the 60's or 70's

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another case of hot alien chicks happend when a man stayed home from work sick, was lying in bed and shortly after his wife left for work, he woke up and saw two women sitting on the edge of his bed completely naked.... one was red .ed type and the other oriental, but both had the same high cheek bones and darker slightly larger eyes. and long long hair.

the man was stunned to see them both just staring at him on his bed, the red . reach over and pulled the man to her breast with "man" like strength.. the man didnt want to kiss her chest so he actually bit her nipple so hard he took a chunk off
the two women looked at eachother like "this isnt supposed to happen" and then they disappeared. the man had a terrible cough for about a week, as if there was something in his throat, also there was a black strand of hair around his penis which was like pulling off a live electric wire when he took it off.terrible pain.



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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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Ferriz does not give it greater importance since in his 40 years of ufological experience tells him that the pictures are too fraudulent. For the second time Diaz failed in its attempt to spread its history ...

Pedro Ferriz in Mexico is a real Clown, yeah 40 years spreading disinfo, never even takes the time to verify the pictures... to him they look " TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE"

The pictures Mr. Diaz took when he lived in Mexico City while living with his parents and his brother can be seen in the documentary, its the blue object at the beginning of the first documentary, while being young he also had many sightings.


Para terminar solo debemos decir que éste trabajo solo es un pequeño informe y un resumen mínimo sobre "el caso Tepoztlán". La verdadera investigación para encontrar evidencias de los motivos del fraude y evidencias indiscutibles de lo que decimos, continúa. Más sin embargo creo que el sentido común es nuestro mejor aliado en un caso tan delirante que, para ya no decir más, es un obvio, burdo e infantil engaño de inexpertos, un caso que quien lo crea seguramente también creerá en Santa Claus, ¿o no? Oscar García *Este trabajo esta realizado tomando como base de una serie de cartas escritas a diversos ufologos y algunas declaraciones que, sobre el caso, se han hecho por la televisión mexicana.


translation:
Finally we just say that this work is only a small minimum and a summary report on the case Tepoztlan. " The real research to find evidence of the grounds of fraud and indisputable evidence of what we say, continues. Most however believe
that common sense is our best ally in a case that so delirious, and to say the least, is an obvious, crude and infant deception of inexperienced, a case that anyone who creates probably also believe in Santa Claus, have not you?

Oscar Garcia

* This work is done on the basis of a series of letters written to various ufologists and some statements on the case, made by Mexican television.


I believe that sums it up., based on letters to his buddies and comments made by the Mexican TV.
NEver even went there, to verify the claims with all the 12 thousand people that saw things while living there.

here is the photo of said video series, Maussan used one of the pictures Carlos gave him.
this is what started the debunking claim...






[edit on 2-9-2008 by TheOneEyedProphet]



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 03:23 PM
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Yes I have read stories like that. Even David Icke talks about them too in his books.

I tell you, this is a better way to inseminate an alien female for the hybrids than those painful stories.

Even graham Hancock talks about that in his book "supernatural".

In my country we have a legend about beautiful females called "ciguapas". They are tremendously beautiful with long hair, perfect body and always naked. they capture men to have sex with them, so they can keep reproducing.

The thing about this ciguapas is that their feet, from the ankles down, are backwards. Some say that their bodies are full of tiny spikes and they can shape shift into animals (like the Naguas in Mexico) not to be captured.

I personally met 2 guys, when I used to live in DR, who claimed theey were kidnapped by these creatures and forced to mate with them. Of course, it is just a legend, a myth since not one has been captured or photographed. They even teach us, or used to anyways, that legend in school, with a painting of the ciguapa in books.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes yes..even a movie about it too.
www.youtube.com...

More about the myth:
www.youtube.com...

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posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the compliment LordThumbs!
I'm pretty outspoken most of the time but this case had an effect on me thats been unlike others. I've been researching about various "underground" subjects for well coming up on 4 years (damn time goes by quick), including ufo/ET, some conspiracy stuff and the paranormal, but thats more my old ladies expertese. I've always looked at things with an open mind and looked for good supportive evidence, becasue hard evidence is really tough to come by with these subjects.

I had not heard about Carlos Diaz before i watched these vids that Pocky posted (thanks again P). It blew my mind! Here is an average guy that has had some very amazing experiences. His experiences have forced me to change the way i view the ET phenominon! And his story moved me... which is hard to say becasue i'm kind of a tough guy.

Anyway, i get aggrivated when people just throw mud for the sake of throwing mud... especially when its about a subject that i feel emotionally involved with such as this. It's good to know i'm not coming across as a pecker . to everyone. I really do have something constructive to say!! I just put more emotion into it sometimes.

Thanks again for puting these up Pocky. IMO these are some real important videos that more people should watch, spread the word folks!


Patrick



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 11:22 PM
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reply to post by W3RLIED2


The real problem is people like you supporting third world lunatics claiming to be in contact with light beings. Lets be realistic here, what would other worldly beings want from a mexican in the middle of nowhere? Maybe your niave enough to believe in this fairytale but the rest of us see right through it.





I can't believe you would even say that? Him being Mexican is supposed to make him an inferior choice of human being to make contact with?


I think the guy seems like a decent human being... regardless of what you think, the message is worth listening to, and important enough to be relayed to whomever is willing to listen, whether they be white or black or in between.



posted on Sep, 2 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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Hahah, did you heart about the second one on Coast2Coast? I remember that. The guy bit off one of their nipples. Wow, I really wonder who those women are? What breed of alien are they? I'm glad they didn't hurt him for biting them.



posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 01:03 AM
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Okay, back on topic of the vids, I think it is worth noting that in vid 4 they --with the expertise of the Phoenix Dude - define the veracity of the first pic noting and comparing the 'pendulum effect'.

In pt. 5 -- 5 mins. later -- they are looking for someone to say how the TOTALLY STATIC 'filmed footage' of the UFO -- the one with the laser beam -- is legit becaue it is STATIC... now the Phoenix Dude calls b.s. ...

Hmmmm... still watching... but...



posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 04:52 AM
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Deleted whole post by accident

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posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt
Okay, back on topic of the vids, I think it is worth noting that in vid 4 they --with the expertise of the Phoenix Dude - define the veracity of the first pic noting and comparing the 'pendulum effect'.

In pt. 5 -- 5 mins. later -- they are looking for someone to say how the TOTALLY STATIC 'filmed footage' of the UFO -- the one with the laser beam -- is legit becaue it is STATIC... now the Phoenix Dude calls b.s. ...

Hmmmm... still watching... but...


LMAO and that's basically what the video scrutineer said...he couldn't figure out what he was looking at or why it didn't look right to him either.

If you've ever tried to fly a helicopter(radio-controlled or real) with more than 2 channels of control then you might get an idea of why the UFO moves like it does.
Take the explanation Carlos gives, but replace "flow of energy" with "flow of air".
Flying a heli is like balancing a bowling ball on a glass table...be it with the elevator handle and collective stick or a pair of sticks. The heavier the heli, the more stable it will be. Constantly working against the wind and other turbulence, unless you are "one with the machine AND nature" you'll see the heli move around a bit as the pilot fights either the unseen natural force or the machine(for various possible reasons).
These ships of light weigh nothing in our environment as they are isolated in their own artifical gravity field and they are tapping into some kind of energy that we have yet to discover or master(publically speaking, of course). Hence the rediculouse acceleration, as well as the jerkyness of it's hover.

I have to agree on W3RLIED2's post about this series of videos having a profound effect on my entire perspective on the whole UFO phenomenon.
The ship and pilot almost seem like a symbiotic partnership to me with the ship being closer to a living being that is capable of transmuting matter and energy for transportation. Just an unproven idea, but it opens up the idea that the UFOs in many of the NASA videos(specifically the ones with the holes in the middle and a notch along the perimeter) look like amoebas or some other kind of microbial life form under a microscope...which draws an entirely new perspective around our planet and brings new meaning to Carl Sagan's words about imagining the earth as a single living organism.

In the area of quantum mechanics in the spiritual/meditation arena, there is much talk of projection of intent.
Carlos talks a lot about the importance of feelings in their technology and understanding of things. Clearly, they are very sensitive and yet have difficulty in understanding why we act the way we do.
Going back to Carl Sagan's statement, if we consider these beings might be able to "feel" our planet's attitude, it is evident why we have not been contacted to a greater degree.

I see a lot of thoughtlessness which goes hand-in-hand with carelessness in our society. How often do you hear the words "you think too much"?
Until our thoughts and intent are pure or even close to it, I think we are destined to work things out on our own which is the whole point as others have mentioned.

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posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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As much as I want to believe in this story, I am leaning toward hoax, only based on what I have seen:

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a) Craft turns on and off, much like a light fixture.

b) Video camparison of real tree and 'ship behind tree':

The real tree's leaves sway and dance in even the slightest breeze.

The night video of the tree in front of the 'craft' moves only slightly (trunk, branches, and leaves) in a stiff motion altogether in unison. No leaves are apparent. This suggests to me a miniature tree. If you were to slightly shake a miniature tree, the branches and limbs would move together in unison, as a real tree, with its flexibility, would have all sorts of branches, leaves and limbs moving independently of each other.

c) Little, if no frame of reference of light reflection off of the ground in a photo with a real background.


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Again, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.



posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by NightVision
As much as I want to believe in this story, I am leaning toward hoax, only based on what I have seen:

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a) Craft turns on and off, much like a light fixture.

b) Video camparison of real tree and 'ship behind tree':

The real tree's leaves sway and dance in even the slightest breeze.

The night video of the tree in front of the 'craft' moves only slightly (trunk, branches, and leaves) in a stiff motion altogether in unison. No leaves are apparent. This suggests to me a miniature tree. If you were to slightly shake a miniature tree, the branches and limbs would move together in unison, as a real tree, with its flexibility, would have all sorts of branches, leaves and limbs moving independently of each other.

c) Little, if no frame of reference of light reflection off of the ground in a photo with a real background.


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Again, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.


A) the craft is made of plasma/light, maybe coming in and out another dimension to this reality?
B) That is objective to the viewer. the tree is what was there! It was explained in the videos and here that the reason why the tree and craft 'move' that way is because of the energy that it is producing to be in this dimension. It was not a regular wind but probably an electromagnetic pulse of a plasma ship affecting the tree. Maybe because the ship was so closed to the tree, the tree was caught in the magnetic field that the 'plasma/light' craft was producing, making the tree behave in that way.
C) Mnnnnnn...Did you watch all the videos? The real background is the panorama itself. How can you say that the panorama wasn't real? Did you see the part where the craft is reflected on the water?

Remember, this videos were taken in the 80s and early 90s where the technology we have now weren't developed back then, at least not to everybody!

Of course, these are my opinions on the subject and I am opened minded enough to admit that I could be wrong. Are you willing to admit the same thing?

How many year does it take for a case to be accepted a true when it hasn't been proven a hoax? 100 years, maybe?



posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I havent made up my mind completely yet. Some of the photos look really convincing and others I have concerns with, like this one. There is no light reflecting off the ground from the ship and the light on the trees appears to be coming from somewhere directly over. of the trees and out of the camera. Do you see this or is it just me?





posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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I see what you mean but one explanation for that could be that the camera only caught the light reflection on the tree, since the the craft is closer to the tree than the ground?
Also, if the light source you say might be coming from that direction, I think it would only illuminate the top portion of the tree, not the side where the light from the craft is being reflected.

Since I am not expert, I could be wrong and it may be a hoax. The thing is that it hasn't been proven a hoax so far, but hey, it's just me!

Thanks for your input, keeping me on my toes...




posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by NightVision

a) Craft turns on and off, much like a light fixture.

b)/snip/If you were to slightly shake a miniature tree, the branches and limbs would move together in unison, as a real tree, with its flexibility, would have all sorts of branches, leaves and limbs moving independently of each other.

Again, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.


Agreed on the mini-tree and lamp being shaken together appearance. I also would have liked to see better leaf definition during the night shot.
Thegreyone said basically what I would reply with.
I can't say I'd give a damn about having to prove anything to anyone if that were to happen to me I'd be so floored. Perhaps after the 3rd or 4th sighting I'd collect my wits and try to get some pics/video.

If you watch the videos over a few times, you'll actually see color fluctuations in the plasma field around the craft. Imagine looking at the nose of the shuttle during reentry and you can start to make out the internal elements to the craft. The red areas of the plasma field actually extend out about a meter from the surface of the craft(remember it is 60 feet across).
The surface appears to have craters or pores all over it and a webbed look that you see on the initial plasma sphere around an atomic explosion.
It doesn't really look like blown glass to me. More like glass in the process of being blown in a furnace, actually...

As you can tell, I am still trying to convince myself.
I am the type that lacks real faith in any of the given higher powers but also wants to believe in some dormant, yet incredible innate capability within ourselves that also connects us with a believable(to me) higher power.

I am afraid I will actually have to experience it myself before I will truly believe, but I am game to entertain the possibilities. Especially when it comes to the unknown.



edit: Yeah, the light reflecting on the tree is a little strange. was that out behind his house? I seem to remember there being some lights outside of his house and that could be the other light source.
Took me a little while to realize the in-car picture was taken with the car .lights on, but at first it looked like there was light shining through the guardrail to me.

Anyways, watching the light move around in the closeup video is what I find the most compelling.

oh, and stars for continuing to entertain the debate. remember that if this IS the real deal, it absolutely demands further srutineerin'.


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posted on Sep, 3 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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How can you say that that branch has just disapeard. Trees do grow you know, as soon as this still was took they did not go to the site the very next day. If memory serves me right it was a few years or maby months after that they went to observe the still as where the shot was took....




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