Originally posted by Trauma
Mostly I feel sorry for Freemasons because the entire structure of the society is based upon deception, double meanings and manipulation. In fact, that is the first thing you have to realize if you ever want to become a very high level Freemason. Freemasonry as low-level Freemasons know it is almost a completely different society than the higher degrees.

There is no higher degree than that of Master Mason. Joining appendant bodies conveys no privilege that places you above any other Master Mason.

There is only one Mason that holds authority over any other. The Master of a lodge has jurisdiction over his lodge, but only for one year. Any Master Mason can become the Master of the lodge, so it would serve no one to try and enslave and deceive the members.

What is this secret that is hidden from us? You guys who aren't Masons sure do seem to know a lot about it.

Is it the 'worshipping Lucifer' thing again? Are you talking about Leo Taxil, Madame Blavatsky, P2 Lodge, Joseph Smith or Captain Morgan?

This is the problem with anti-masons. You are allowed to post any outrageous inflammatory statement you want without any proof or evidence.

I have another surprise for you. All the 'books' and 'web sites' and 'YouTube videos' that you get your sheeple education from... well, we read those too. In fact, I would wager that the lowliest Entered Apprentice has far more knowledge of the conspiracies that you espouse than you.

What would you do with the secret handshake if I taught it to you? Would you infiltrate our meetings to see what really goes on? If that's what you want then why not join?

What are the 'secret' teachings?

- It's my duty to take care of people who need my help.

- It's my duty to examine my actions daily and make sure what I am doing is ethical, moral and in line with God's teachings.

- It's my duty to obey all the laws of my country.

- It's my duty to avoid discussions of religion and politics in my lodge because it disrupts peace and harmony that must be in place for brothers to work together.

- It's my duty to defend Masonry against cowans and eavesdroppers.

more later...

As I've stated in many other threads,

There is no point in going back and forth with insults and demeaning one another. Anti-Masons are not going to convince a Mason to quit and rethink his ways.To go do some research other than what he is being spoon fed at the lodge.There is an abundance of material out there which condemns freemasonry and exposes their agenda. However, you CAN"T
make someone see something they don't want to see.

As for the Masons,
you are not going to convince an anti-mason that you are all just a part of a good ol' boys club.I know that you think you are. And I'm sure you are all really good and decent human beings. That's how it works though. That's the beauty of Freemasonry. You can rule the people without them knowing they are being ruled.

In any event,
let's just agree to disagree. The only thing that can be hoped for is that anyone considering joining the Masons who happens to be reading this,
has the potential to be swayed one wat or the other. So to them I say this.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!! All of it. Read up on symbolism. Take a look at the symbols that freemasonry uses. Draw a conclusion.
Read books written about freemasonry by members and former members.
Read books condemning freemasonry and books defending freemasonry. Draw a conclusion.

I know and am 100% confident that after you do this, There is no way in hell that you will join their cul....lodge. If you do ALL of your reseasrch and still want to join....it doesn't mean you are a bad person. It only means that you are now a part of an organization which has been strongly condemned by some of its former members for some very evil and sinister things. You will still be a good and beautiful person.
But this is all just MY opinion and you should do your own research!!!!

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

They will tell you that they are not a secret organisation but an organisation with secrets. . !

EXACTLY!! i was just waiting for someone to say that!! thank you! what makes you think i wanna be a part of an organization that makes me feel better than everyone else because i have secrets and no one else knows them? i'm for human equality, and there should be NO SECRETS. PERIOD.

otherwise, it's just holding humanity back. it all has to do with their greed and desire for material power - making them feel like they're better than others... that's just disgusting in my book.

Originally posted by Mason mike
...Like cbass said, do the reaserch. Both sides. He found his truth and I have mine. I confirmed mine by joining. What else can I say. Just don't let hate rule who you are.

you mean like he said to research symbols more? there's nothing "brotherly" about your Geometric symbols and their mystical purposes.

Trying to legitimise freemasonry is pointless. You cannot defend the undefendable! The masons worship Abaddon, or Apollyon as he is known in Greek. It means destroyer. . . So, pardon me for being quite so forward, but when people who worship Abaddon the destroyer, or satan, start mouthing off about brotherhood and charity, please allow me a wry smile!
What makes it all the more unbelievable is that the ordinary,aren't I important I'm a mason, brigade have absolutely no idea what the shrinners above them stand for! Infact, the shriners look down on the lower degrees. . . And if this is the case, and it most certainly is, what type of man joins a cult where he openly acknowledges right from the start that he Isn't as good as, or as important or worthy as those above him?

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

How can you be part of something like the freemasons? Their Gaotu or god is Abaddon, the angel of the abyss or Lucifer as he's better known to us mere mortals.

What gets me about anti-Masons is that no matter how often it's pointed out that GAOTU refers to God, the Great Architect Of The Universe, someone just HAS to pop up and insist that Masons pray to Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, etc. The naysayers insist that we devote ourselves in-Lodge, not to the creative spirit from whence the Universe had its origin but rather to destructive forces.

This despite every indication by word and deed that Freemasonry is focused on building up the society of Man to make the world a better place for all of God's creatures, all in tribute to the Creator of Man. That Masons use the word GAOTU as an universal word in reference to that Creator as a way to allow good men of different religions to work together seems to be taken in every possible negative light by those with an axe to grind.

Not to put too fine an edge on it, mint but you're honestly clueless about Masonry. I'd suggest you infiltrate a Lodge for a few years and then report back with all your 'findings' about the evil deeds and prayers to forces of darkness and so on. I await your disclosure with baited breath.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

How can you be part of something like the freemasons? Their Gaotu or god is Abaddon, the angel of the abyss or Lucifer as he's better known to us mere mortals.

What gets me about anti-Masons is that no matter how often it's pointed out that GAOTU refers to God, the Great Architect Of The Universe, someone just HAS to pop up and insist that Masons pray to Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, etc. The naysayers insist that we devote ourselves in-Lodge, not to the creative spirit from whence the Universe had its origin but rather to destructive forces.

This despite every indication by word and deed that Freemasonry is focused on building up the society of Man to make the world a better place for all of God's creatures, all in tribute to the Creator of Man. That Masons use the word GAOTU as an universal word in reference to that Creator as a way to allow good men of different religions to work together seems to be taken in every possible negative light by those with an axe to grind.

Not to put too fine an edge on it, mint but you're honestly clueless about Masonry. I'd suggest you infiltrate a Lodge for a few years and then report back with all your 'findings' about the evil deeds and prayers to forces of darkness and so on. I await your disclosure with baited breath.

Yes Gaoto is god, your god Abaddon. Or would you prefer me to call him Shiva or perhaps Zorastor? Pick your poison its all the same in the end- Lucifer. The lower echerlons of the freemasons make me laugh as they belong to a cult were they openly admit to having absolutely no knowledge of what the cults leaders above them stand for or are doing! What is the password as you enter the 17th degree? Abaddon. Its the way the masons begin to open up to those followers who steadily climb the masonic ranks. By the time you reach the top your so brain washed you dont know which way is up or the difference between right and wrong.
As for infiltrating a lodge! You may be nearer to the truth than you know there. . .

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

Yes Gaoto is god, your god Abaddon. Or would you prefer me to call him Shiva or perhaps Zorastor? Pick your poison its all the same in the end- Lucifer.

Wow! How many times does someone need to say Creator so as not to elude your trap-like intelligence? I've high-lighted the appropriate parts of my post which seem to have just breezed right by you.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
What gets me about anti-Masons is that no matter how often it's pointed out that GAOTU refers to GOD, the Great ARCHITECT Of The Universe, someone just HAS to pop up and insist that Masons pray to Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, etc. The naysayers insist that we devote ourselves in-Lodge, not to the CREATIVE spirit from whence the Universe had its origin but rather to destructive forces.

This despite every indication by word and deed that Freemasonry is focused on BUILDING UP the society of Man to make the world a BETTER place for all of GOD'S creatures, all in tribute to the CREATOR of Man. That Masons use the word GAOTU as an universal word in reference to that CREATOR as a way to allow GOOD men of different religions to work together seems to be taken in every possible negative light by those with an axe to grind.

Wow! Just freakin' wow!

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Yes Gaoto is god, your god Abaddon. Or would you prefer me to call him Shiva or perhaps Zorastor? Pick your poison its all the same in the end- Lucifer.

Oh crimoney! Do you actually BELIEVE the garbage that's spewing from your keyboard? You just couldn't. Why don't you go out and skate-board with your friends? This is ridiculous.

The lower echerlons of the freemasons make me laugh as they belong to a cult were they openly admit to having absolutely no knowledge of what the cults leaders above them stand for or are doing!

Same 'ol same 'ol. I wonder how many times THAT has been posted here.

What is the password as you enter the 17th degree? Abaddon.

Don't know what you've been reading, but that's not in MY Scottish Rite and I used to help confer the 17th Degree when it was given (it's not given often by the way, the 18th is more important)

Its the way the masons begin to open up to those followers who steadily climb the masonic ranks. By the time you reach the top your so brain washed you dont know which way is up or the difference between right and wrong.

--yawn--

As for infiltrating a lodge! You may be nearer to the truth than you know there. . .

I sure hope you're telling the truth and that you'll come back and be truthful with us about it. Particularly when you find out what we are saying is true. I can smell that musty/dusty old Lodge Hall now (Masons are a lot like cats; we're deathly afraid of vacuum-cleaners) I can see the members stammering through the lectures and hear the click, click of that old Kodak slide projector as the emblems of the degrees are explained to you. I can just taste those Krispy Kreme's that someone picked up at 5:30 a.m. and are now gooey and stale. I can imagine the aluminum taste of that luke-warm cup of coffee you'll get from the Lodge's WWII era coffee pot.

Yep, sneak in. You'll get quite a Masonic education.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

What is the password as you enter the 17th degree? Abaddon.

Is that true?? Wow. These people have balls don't they?
I mean they just throw it in your face. What is the password for becoming a 33rd? Ilovelucifer? LOL.
Seriously though, that is very interesting and telling if it is true.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by cbass]