The Master Mason doesn't know squat!

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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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You see, there is no "top" leader in Freemasonry. Note that your link said the Duke was the Grand Master in the U.K. He holds NO authority in the U.S.A. or anywhere outside the U.K.

Indeed no one in the U.S.A. is over all of U.S. Masonry. Each individual state in the U.S. has it's own autonomous Grand Lodge who's presiding officer is called the "Grand Master"

Here's a link to most of the U.S. Grand Lodges

bessel.org...

Here are the Grand Masters

bessel.org...

Again, each Jurisdiction (State) runs itself. It's in amity (called "recognition") with the others, but not governed by them.

The York Rite consists of three groups: The Chapter, Council and Commandery. Each of these has a presiding officer in EACH and EVERY U.S. State, none of whom answer to the other.

There is a General Grand Chapter and a General Grand Council, but membership in these is optional and some state Grand Chapters & Councils do not belong. The exception is that each Grand Commandery does belong to the General Grand Encampment

Whose presiding officer is shown here

www.knightstemplar.org...

(and you thought MY hat was humorous!)

The Scottish Rite (U.S.A.) is divided into two jurisdictions, each with it's own presiding officer:

www.srmason-sj.org...

www.supremecouncil.org...

And the other Masonic groups (Knight Masons, Rosicrucians, Allied Masonic Degrees, etc.) each have a Presiding Officer.

None of these men, however, even the Grand Commanders of the 33rd Degree "out-rank" a State Grand Master. This has been proven many times. The Grand Master is the highest ranking (if you will) Mason who exists. And he, of course, operates under the Constitution and By-Laws of his particular Masonic Jurisdiction (State)

To top all this off, this structure is similar but not exactly the same in countries outside the U.S.

So, that should give you a little understanding that there is no "top" Mason. When we say we "meet on the level" we really mean that.






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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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Interesting research, Menasseh.
Although I don't know why you refer to yourself as the paraclete


One of my uncles is a worshipful master.
I have many family members in the various masonic institutions.

One question;
Who was Albert Pike?

Also, the woman on the beast is not one person, but, a complete religious system.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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The leader of the masons in NC is the Grand Master. We as masons will offer him the utmost respect as we would any mason. I am unaware of how the UGLE fits into US masonry. All I know about that is if I went to England, I would be able to enter a lodge after I was examined to be sure I am a mason. I am not sure the queen is as evil as you say, but then again I am not over there so I cannot offer any help in that matter. She does have a real nice house.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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I don't know if anyone has pointed this out to Manessah, but isn't the Master Mason the 3rd degree? Let's see:
1. Entered Apprentice
2. Fellow of the Craft
3. Master Mason

Also, don't many Masons just stop at the 3rd degree?



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
Since when were you appointed to answer questions posed to Mason Mike and Appak??

As I said in the title, the Master Mason doesn't know squat.


While I appreciate your wanting me to answer, as you've seen in my post above, the Grand Master of a particular jurisdiction has the final authority in that Jurisdiction. And a Grand Master need only be a Master Mason. Many of them belong to other Masonic groups but it's not necessary that they do.



You are just a peon on the bottom level.
You are only just slightly above what Masons refer to as "useless eaters" or
"freethinkers"


Why be nasty? This is supposed to be a civil discussion, isn't it?



All the knowledge in the pathetic world of Masonry will not save them on the Day of Wrath.


Nor does it claim to. Freemasonry is a fraternity; a Brotherhood, not a religion. It makes no claim to save one's soul. If anyone thinks it does, he's missed the whole point.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out to Manessah, but isn't the Master Mason the 3rd degree? Let's see:
1. Entered Apprentice
2. Fellow of the Craft
3. Master Mason

Also, don't many Masons just stop at the 3rd degree?


Absolutely. Too many people miss this. Why, even the title of the degree alone should say something. "MASTER" Mason.

Hard to be much better than the "Master" of something, isn't it?

I think Masonry has hurt herself by the numbering of the Scottish Rite Degrees. Too many people think that a higher number denotes more authority. Many do not realize that each of the Scottish Rite Degrees have a name as well.

web.mit.edu...

Some have some pretty nifty names to boot! My favorite is "Intendent of the Building" I feel like that's what I am when I'm mopping the dining room floor after a luncheon or a dinner! Scottish Rite Masons are messy eaters.

But I digress, it cannot be emphasized enough that while there are MORE degrees than the three degrees of the Symbolic (or "Blue") Lodge, there is none higher than that of Master Mason.

Even in regards to the 33rd Degree, many people don't notice that the Supreme Councils themselves call this the "Thirty-Third and LAST Degree of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite" Not the "highest" but just the "Last" Also not the "Last" or "Highest" degree of Freemasonry, but of the "Scottish Rite" since it's not a part of the Symbolic Lodge system, nor does it hold authority over it.

www.usc33-sw.org...



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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This is not a civil discussion. This is a gang of Masons against one anti-Mason.

You fallacy about the Masons not being tied to UGLE is a crock of you know what.

Who came first? The English Masons, or the American Masons?

As I said before, George Washington, loyal to British Royalty, came to America to establish British Masonic Rule, not to establish a free country.

Washington was quite possibly the worst military commander of all time, losing nearly every battle important to the unsuspecting settlers.

And the outright disimformation is thick on ATS. All of it has Masonic ties, as the Masons are the true foundation of evil in the world today.

Join the Masons, and you will have contributed to the suffering of the future. So not having knowledge, or claiming so, will not excuse you from judgement by Jesus, and your turn in the ring of fire.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Hard to be much better than the "Master" of something, isn't it?


I am a Master Electrician.

Yet I have no secret handshakes, secret meetings, secret knowledge.

Your secrets will act as an anchor to take you down to the depths.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by Appak
 


This is not a civil discussion. This is a gang of Masons against one anti-Mason.

You fallacy about the Masons not being tied to UGLE is a crock of you know what.

Who came first? The English Masons, or the American Masons?

As I said before, George Washington, loyal to British Royalty, came to America to establish British Masonic Rule, not to establish a free country.

Washington was quite possibly the worst military commander of all time, losing nearly every battle important to the unsuspecting settlers.

And the outright disimformation is thick on ATS. All of it has Masonic ties, as the Masons are the true foundation of evil in the world today.

Join the Masons, and you will have contributed to the suffering of the future. So not having knowledge, or claiming so, will not excuse you from judgement by Jesus, and your turn in the ring of fire.



Dude, I don't want to burst your little fantasy world bubble, but George Washington did not come to The Americas, He was born here. Also, when the UGLE was suspected of being infiltrated by the Illuminati, and due to the Revolutionary War, the real ties between the UGLE and the American Lodge were severed.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by Appak
 


This is not a civil discussion. This is a gang of Masons against one anti-Mason.


Oh. I'm sorry. I was trying to be civil, as were several of us here. If its gang-war you want, I'll bow out. (or at least ignore you)



You fallacy about the Masons not being tied to UGLE is a crock of you know what.

Who came first? The English Masons, or the American Masons?


Well, that's silly; who came first the English or the Americans? But it has nothing to do with the thread.

I didn't say there was no connection, I said the Grand Master of the U.K. has no authority over U.S. Masonry. Certainly the U.S. Grand Lodges recognize the U.K. Grand Lodges but neither asserts authority over another. If the Duke of Kent called and gave me an order to do something pertaining to Masonry, I'd laugh. (Actually I'd be shocked and quite honored to get a call from him, but still, he holds no authority over me or the Grand Master of my State).




As I said before, George Washington, loyal to British Royalty, came to America to establish British Masonic Rule, not to establish a free country.


"Masonic Rule" ????


Whatever.



Washington was quite possibly the worst military commander of all time, losing nearly every battle important to the unsuspecting settlers.


You're really out in left field now. C'mon back.



And the outright disimformation is thick on ATS. All of it has Masonic ties, as the Masons are the true foundation of evil in the world today.


Sorry you feel that way. You have been terribly hurt by someone or something. That's sad.



Join the Masons, and you will have contributed to the suffering of the future. So not having knowledge, or claiming so, will not excuse you from judgement by Jesus, and your turn in the ring of fire.


Hell-fire and brimstone! Hmmm. Nothing like judging people when your very own "good book" says not to judge.

Ta ta! I'm finished with you. I hope everyone else is too. Your posts reek of hatred and well, I don't like hatred. My Bible doesn't approve of it, not sure about yours.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Dude, I don't want to burst your little fantasy world bubble, but George Washington did not come to The Americas, He was born here.


I stand corrected.

What I meant was the Washington family. It took a few generations.



Although George Washington was a fourth-generation Virginian, his family background was atypical in many respects. The Washingtons were relative latecomers in comparison to many of the leading families. The immigrant, George's great-grandfather John Washington, arrived in 1657. None of Washington's ancestors, on either side of the family, had been in Virginia during its earliest decades.
...
Robert Washington, George's great-great-great-great grandfather, signer of the 1602 document displayed here, owned Sulgrave Manor in Yorkshire. His great--great-grandfather was an Oxford graduate and Anglican clergyman. The family perpetuated its British connections well beyond most American families. The immigrant ancestor John and his son Lawrence (George's grandfather) continued to own land in both Virginia and England for half a century after coming to America.

www.clements.umich.edu...

By the way, Virginia is named as an homage to the Virgin Queen, or English Royalty.

All the Washingtons were members of the "House of Burgesses"



The Virginia House of Burgesses was the first elected legislative assembly in the New World established in the Colony of Virginia in 1619. Over time, the name came to represent the entire official legislative body of the Colony of Virginia, and later, after the American Revolution, the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Burgess is an English word that originally meant a freeman of a borough or burgh. It later came to mean an elected or un-elected official of a municipality, or the representative of a borough in the English House of Commons.
...
In 1624, the Virginia Company lost its charter, and Virginia became a royal colony. As a Royal Colony, the House of Burgesses consisted of two members from every county in Virginia and one member from each of the following: the City of Williamsburg, the City of Jamestown, the City of Norfolk, and the College of William and Mary. The House of Burgesses continued to meet, but its influence was severely restricted. Despite limitations on its actions, the assembly listed within its later ranks such notables as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry, who would assume a major leadership role in the movement toward independence.

en.wikipedia.org...

Washingtons loyalty always lied with English Royalty.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Manasseh
For a moderator who actually doesn't moderate this forum,


How did you come to that conclusion?


you sure spend a lot of time here.


I spend a lot of time everywhere on the board.


What is your point to questioning my point.


Because it is disruptive and disrespectful, not only to the Masons but to the board AND it is against the T&C, which you agreed to when you registered.


and so far, all I've seen is a belittling statement calling my opinion as a bible rant, which is flaming in itself, yet you said nothing.


I've seen little compared to what you are doing here. Baiting and disruption.


Hopefully the good people of the world see the depth of the cover-up.



I'm sure they will. No problem there. Now can you continue with the topic by showing decorum?



thou dost protest too much, me thinks MR intrepid

and why is that so many people that seem to have critical thinking skills (into the POSSIBLE deceptions of masonry) usually appear as "bible thumpers"

there is no wrath massenth (sp?) coming from a special "GOD". if there by some chance was this being wouldn't be worth worshipping and would probably (given the slim chance this occured) be due to one of the Annunaki "gods" deciding to return and govern

your beleifs seem as flawed as some of the lower level masons (that don't want to entertain the thought your right (about how little they know of the compartmentalized knowledge and the motive of those at the top) or perhaps some that do try to protect the "fraternity" at any cost to truth) . This difference can't be discerned by me based on the info at hand. seems like both are cases of "protection" mechanisms which attack someone that threatens to weaken a belief necessary to there comfort zones. But i am coming off harsh on you, and you did bring to light some good information IMO

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[edit on 31-8-2008 by cpdaman]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Ta ta! I'm finished with you. I hope everyone else is too. Your posts reek of hatred and well, I don't like hatred. My Bible doesn't approve of it, not sure about yours.


Is that the same bible you took an oath on.

Do you know what the bible says about that??

You should actually read what your Baphomet loving society wants you to downplay.

There is plenty of hatred in the bible. David killed Goliath. That is an act of hatred. Yes, I hate those who intentionally move mankind against God, because we will all have to suffer from the effects of their ignorance.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by RealityisanIllusion
 




Dude, I don't want to burst your little fantasy world bubble, but George Washington did not come to The Americas, He was born here.


I stand corrected.

What I meant was the Washington family. It took a few generations.

Washingtons loyalty always lied with English Royalty.


Oh heavens, I might be a British Loyalist as well. My family continued to own lands in England and Scotland after coming to the Americas in the 1630's. I better start collecting me some rent on that stuff.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by RealityisanIllusion]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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And what is a Freeman of Burgh, or Burgesses?



In 2002 the Panel considered a number of candidates for the award of
‘Freeman of the Burgh’. One of the decisions taken at that time was that the
award of this title to Squadron 43 should be further considered and
investigated. The Panel is asked to consider whether this award, the highest
that the Council can confer, should be made to the Squadron 43 RAF, in view
of their long standing relationship with the area.
...
that the title of Freeman
of the Burgh is currently held by Her Majesty the Queen and by the Argyll and
Sutherland Highlanders.

(bold added)
minutes.stirling.gov.uk...



The Freeman had great powers - by Charter they were granted 'special and full power to the burgess and freemen of making, constituting and creating a provost, bailies, deacons of trade etc' Their powers included 'levy tolls, holding burgh court, punishing transgressors and making and retaining acts, laws and statutes for the observation of good order within the burgh.'

www.mcintyre.demon.co.uk...

Jeez, do I have to hold your hands. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH MASONS>

Your organization is the root of evil in the world today. Continue at your own risk.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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I have to make judgement every day.

I judge the babysitter, whether she is acceptable to watch my children.

I judge people I do work for, whether they will be able to pay or not.

And I judge Masons as an evil, sadistic society.

The only judgement I don't have authority to make, is whether man lives or dies.
That judgement is retained by God, and is what the Ten Commandment refers to.

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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
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Jeez, do I have to hold your hands. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH MASONS>

Your organization is the root of evil in the world today. Continue at your own risk.


Whoa!!! Slow down there cowboy, I'm not a Mason. I just appreciate the many fine things they have done for the communities.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Whoa!!! Slow down there cowboy, I'm not a Mason. I just appreciate the many fine things they have done for the communities.



Like what? Wear funny hats in parades.

Keep in mind, they are tax exempt. I think paying taxes
on the $billions they take in on charity drives would be more
helpful than spending 5% of what they take in on actual charity work.

And every charity work done by the Masons, and their offshoots, such as
Elks, and VFW, and Boy Scouts, and all the other societies set up to move man away from spiritual awareness, have one thing in common.

The return is greater than the investment.

Have you seen how many names are in the hall of million dollar donors??



Our Objective

To establish dedicated funding through the creation of a Six Million Dollar Endowment Fund, so that our operating budget is derived from interest accrued on the Fund, and from applications for grants and donations, that can support progressive and expansionary projects.


www.nymasoniclibrary.org...

I wonder if that interest accrued from the donations is tax exempt too.

While the common man works his/her tails off, only to see 20-30% of their hard earned money go to taxes that simply pay the interest we owe to the Federal Reserve, the Masons go tax free, claiming that they are sooo charitable.

Hog wash i tell ya.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:48 AM
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The funny hats are the Shriners. Another level of the Masons. I was referring to the many hospitals they fund, the research they funded to cure polio, the research they are funding to cure diabetes and the many sholarships they fund for students.

Also, as a veteran of a foreign war, I'm a little offended that you think my affiliation with the VFW has anything to do with the Masons.

Don't look now dude, but I don't think the world is out to get you.

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