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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 09:58 PM by Appak

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
As far as Masonic Tradition, it is associated with "The Point Within A Cirlce". But here is the origin of the thought, but quite short.

"In ancient Egypt the Phallus, or male personification of the generative principal, was a symbol of generation or fecundity, as it was among the Asiatic races that called it the Lingam.

Hmm. I've actually heard that said, but the reality is the "Point Within A Circle" is explained thus. "The Point represents the individual Brother. The Circle is that boundary beyond which he is never to suffer his passions or prejudices to betray him. In going around the circle he necessarily touches the two parallel lines (representing St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist) as well as the Holy Scriptures. And while a Mason keeps himself thus circumscribed, it is impossible that he should materially err."

Hardly has anything to do with a phallus, even if you really stretch it (so to speak)

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:00 PM by AugustusMasonicus

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:14 PM by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Appak

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
As far as Masonic Tradition, it is associated with "The Point Within A Cirlce". But here is the origin of the thought, but quite short.

"In ancient Egypt the Phallus, or male personification of the generative principal, was a symbol of generation or fecundity, as it was among the Asiatic races that called it the Lingam.

Hmm. I've actually heard that said, but the reality is the "Point Within A Circle" is explained thus. "The Point represents the individual Brother. The Circle is that boundary beyond which he is never to suffer his passions or prejudices to betray him. In going around the circle he necessarily touches the two parallel lines (representing St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist) as well as the Holy Scriptures. And while a Mason keeps himself thus circumscribed, it is impossible that he should materially err."

Hardly has anything to do with a phallus, even if you really stretch it (so to speak)

Thanks again Appak. As I said before, I am not a Mason. Although, I didn't see anything about my post that would make me want to persecute anyone that was. Maybe someday I'll get the courage to ask to be considered.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by RealityisanIllusion]

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:37 PM by Mason mike

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:48 PM by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Mason mike
reply to post by RealityisanIllusion

Dude, we really missed you.
Please continue with your incitefull theorys. the gene pool could use a little chlorine. We (I) didn't know what fun it was till you were gone. And we can pretend it is not Stompk/cutbothways if it makes it easier. The broncos suck.

Uhhh, I'm not really sure who you think I am, but I'm relatively new here. I have posted anonomously a few times but I just registered yesteday. And I agree, the broncos suck, I'm a Cowboys fan.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 11:14 PM by Mason mike

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Mason mike
reply to post by RealityisanIllusion

Dude, we really missed you.
Please continue with your incitefull theorys. the gene pool could use a little chlorine. We (I) didn't know what fun it was till you were gone. And we can pretend it is not Stompk/cutbothways if it makes it easier. The broncos suck.

"I'm a cowboys fan" and you are with the government too.

Uhhh, I'm not really sure who you think I am, but I'm relatively new here. I have posted anonomously a few times but I just registered yesteday. And I agree, the broncos suck, I'm a Cowboys fan.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 11:39 PM by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Mason mike

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Mason mike
reply to post by RealityisanIllusion

Dude, we really missed you.
Please continue with your incitefull theorys. the gene pool could use a little chlorine. We (I) didn't know what fun it was till you were gone. And we can pretend it is not Stompk/cutbothways if it makes it easier. The broncos suck.

"I'm a cowboys fan" and you are with the government too.

Uhhh, I'm not really sure who you think I am, but I'm relatively new here. I have posted anonomously a few times but I just registered yesteday. And I agree, the broncos suck, I'm a Cowboys fan.

Apparently I need a little help here figuring out who you think I am. Maybe I'm just dealing with an individual that is a little behind the curve. I thought this thread was about what the average Mason knew about their organisation. It appears you are trying to turn it into a thread about who you think I am. You even went so far as to insert somthing into my reply to you previous to this post.

Once again, as I said to another poster, at what point did I say I work for the government?

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 12:58 AM by Rockpuck

I still await a description of an:

Average Mason is..

Special/super special/superduper special Mason is..

soooooo.....

Tell us what a "higher ranking Mason" is and we might be able to start with something.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 02:48 AM by undo

Originally posted by network dude

what is most interesting is myself and quite a few other masons here believe masonry is just that, a beautiful system of morality

your statement is noble, your signature is ...how do i put this delicately?
it appears to be saying the opposite. now i included the word "appears" because frankly, you fellas are hella good at talking outta both sides of your mouth. symbols and codes and concepts that only another mason could truly interpret or appreciate, can often be misinterpreted by the uninitiated. i think at this point, you might want to also consider just how fair it is to the public, to expect them to not be a bit nervous in those situations.

i remember working with a pair of filipino ladies, who would launch into discussions with each other in their native tongue. i had not one clue what they were saying and it was not only uncomfortable, it was somewhat rude since i couldn't feasibly expect them to explain to me everything they said, as they said it.

in the area of morality, does not fair treatment and consideration for your other non-masons raise its head at any point?

perhaps the new lesson is, learn to expect the uninitiated will question and conclude in the absence of information to the contrary. you certainly can't demand their loyalty to your cause when they aren't in your cause?

it's a logic puzzle. have fun.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 03:16 AM by Hydroman

Originally posted by Appak

Originally posted by Hydroman
What's with the phrase "Two balls and a cane" and the "generative principal"?

That is, of course, a reference to Tubal-cain

www.masonicworld.com...

Yes, I know that, but why do they say "two balls and a cane" as if they're talking about the male sex organ, which I like to call the ole weinee.

I asked that question on another site and the freemason there said that he couldn't make a comment on it.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Hydroman]

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 03:47 AM by RuneSpider

reply to post by undo

So... let me get this straight. The amount of published work out there, the ease of meeting, talking to, and discussing relevant subjects with Masons, all add up to make people nervouse?

I learned about Masons fairly recently, within a year or so. Since then, I've been reading threads here on ATS, looking around Google, and getting books on the subject. Amazingly, it's not hard.
There are several forums that exist for the sole purpose of discussing Masonry, and it just takes a email to register. Doesn't even have to be your real email, make one up.
As for someone speaking another language in your prescence, don't leave the country then. I get it's unomfortable, but if they weren't talking to you, why do you need to know what they were talking about?

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:03 AM by Matyas

reply to post by undo

Hey undo, havn't seen you around for a long spell! Hope all is well with you and yours!

What was I going to say, oh yes, I frequently find myself contradicting me, at least I realize I can easily appear that way to others. But I think how people react depends on how I phrase or frame myself, its a skill acquired over a lifetime.

So in all fairness, how can we hold these young men to such a high standard of flawless accountability when we give them a new sense of belonging to a greater community, replete with vast stores of knowledge and history?

Personally, I prefer the occasional egocentric allusions (compared) to the tired old trash talk of the OP. It tells me they are only human, after all.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:04 AM by undo

reply to post by RuneSpider

precisely. if there's a secret conversation going on, right under people's noses, yeah, you betcha. human nature - surely you've heard of it? now don't get me wrong ... it isn't the secrecy of the conversation that is really at issue, although for those who the subject bothers most, that's definitely how they view it. but the deeply moral issue is, the insistence that average, everyday people, who are not masons, not be suspicious of masonry. it seems illogical, and untenable, and perhaps against their own paradigm. that doesn't mean that you must be a mason to support the practice of masonry. it just means that you don't have to support masonry if you aren't a mason. ya know, king solomon taught me that, in the proverbs, i think it's called common sense. hehe.

(looks around suspiciously and darts out the door) tata!

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 04:26 AM by undo

reply to post by Matyas

ooops, came back to say hiya to matyas!
how ya doing? i didn't know you were a mason? i shoulda guessed it with your abiding interest in architecture, math and geometry (although i suppose that's not a requirement or signature, it does hint in that general direction).

i've read all kinds of interesting information on the subject. from what i can tell, the dividing line is more of a matter of confusion than anything else. and that doesn't make people especially comfortable either. the lines blur between various offshoot orgs too. that doesn't help. they have alot going against them, which is a point of contention for many.

my dad was a mason. my mom was not terribly happy about that. neither was my sister. but as i've aged, i've learned enough to draw my own conclusions and i must say, you fellas are very strange. not just because of your interest in the sciences at a very esoteric level, but your ability to comprehend it as well. me and math are not buddies. the only connection i have to that form of logic is my common sense. else, ye olde brain don't do geometry.

give me an analogy, a metaphor, maybe, but numbers, FORGET it. at such junctures i follow obi wan's example and say...

you don't need to see my identification. i'm not the gal you're looking for. move along.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 07:04 AM by DarksDeception

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Manasseh

I am actually a 32nd degree Scotish rite mason as well as a 3rd degree master mason. unfortunately it will take quite some time to reach the honorary degree of 33rd. But I still don't have the inside scoop like you do.

As a 32nd Degree mason, could you please tell me what the "Royal Secret" is?

As all, 32nd degree masons should know this, unless of course it is a secret, lol

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 07:12 AM by Appak

Originally posted by Hydroman
Yes, I know that, but why do they say "two balls and a cane" as if they're talking about the male sex organ, which I like to call the ole weinee.
I asked that question on another site and the freemason there said that he couldn't make a comment on it.

I've seen old men with walking canes with two balls mounted on or in the cane. Such as this:

www.freemasonstore.com...

As far as a penis reference, I've never heard anything like that. Again, it's just a "pun" if you will over the name Tubal Cain. Nothing more, really.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 07:41 AM by Kahis

My experience with Masons has been very limited but in all honesty I think they're a either a bunch of nerds or serious creep-o cultists. This is purely opinion based.

But, my uncle became a Mason out of no where and he turned into such a weirdo, talking about his new family and how he didnt need his real family anymore. Apparently through our questioning this random organization he joined he got paranoid and accused us of getting into his secret affairs. Seeing as this man had no history of mental illness and had been in the military special forces I knew it wasnt through his own ignorance that he acted this way. His "brothers" put it in his head that he needed to cut the ties to family members not keen on his Masonic loyalties. Perhaps this is an isolated incident but it soured me very much on the Masons. Sure the Catholic church, Corporations and the Military all have higherarchies but all those examples have done plenty of evil in their time. Anytime people get secret and have to have special whatevers to belong I think either D and D nerds or creeps... No offense to those of you who like D and D.

Like I said he couldve been an isolated incident, perhaps not all masons destroy people's families but your chapter local to my family did. We havent seen my uncle since the late 90s when he joined and turned into a Masonic whatever they made him...

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 07:51 AM by Kahis

PS I dont agree with much of what the creator of this thread has said but it is still my personal opinion that there is something up with the Masons. My own personal experience has very much soured me on their so called helpful organization. Why dont you guys help and return my uncle to his family if you're so helpful

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:27 AM by Fitzgibbon

reply to post by Kahis

Sounds like there's probably quite a bit more at play than what's being offered up by Kahis. Freemasonry specifically instructs its new members that Masonry always comes after family, faith and career in terms of priorities in life. If your uncle didn't take that instruction to heart, then that's his mistake.

reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 08:40 AM by Kahis

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

There's definately more than what Ive said, I dont know what the Masons told him or what they didnt I just know what he told us in his tirade on how his new mason buddies were the best thing since sliced bread. Here's the problem you can say the Masons say this and that or the other thing, only problem is when he went bat # crazy it was the Masons told me this and that my family wouldnt accept it. Now if he just said I dont want to see you guys anymore for you have offended me to the core of my being as a human I would say okay. But he implicated that the Masons were the main reason behind his decision making, so as I watched at the age of 15 as my uncle fell apart and abandoned his family it left me very sour.

If anyone on here's family member said, the Pikachu party club told me not to see you people and then dissapeared for going on 14 years now. Then you saw them talking about how they just hung out and talked about pokemon you might wanna red flag them and let people know they're not all pokemon and sunshine. Sure its a stupid example but when a group gets assosiated with an evil act those effected by it will speak up. Just because you counter what I say with something good doesnt change the fact that it happened and the Masons were indeed a major catalyst for it.