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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 03:23 PM by network dude

reply to post by Evisscerator

what?
The bible in my lodge is just that, a bible.
In masonry Jesus Christ is not mentioned in teaching due to the fact that one only believe in a higher power or being (God) to be a member. If Jesus Christ was mentioned all the time, the muslems, Jewish, and others who don't follow the christian religion would feel out of place. The teaching is to follow the grand architect of the universe. That is the coolest part. You can believe just about anyting, and still feel welcome. Not at all like church.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 03:46 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by network dude

One only need to actually READ the bible to understand that one does not get into heaven except through Jesus.

That is, you must confront Jesus before entering God's realm.

But I guess if you actually respected God, you would respect His son.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 03:53 PM by Anonymous ATS

reply to post by dredz

The Knights Templar were a Christian Order of knights founded in the 12th. century AD, were simply not in existence at the time Jesus overturned the money changers tables!

Prince Charles is only a First Degree mason, and has never participated in masonic activities out of deference to his grand mother, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, whose strong Christian beliefs forbade any contact with freemasonry .

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:00 PM by Appak

Originally posted by Manasseh
One only need to actually READ the bible to understand that one does not get into heaven except through Jesus.
That is, you must confront Jesus before entering God's realm.
But I guess if you actually respected God, you would respect His son.

Apples / Oranges

Again, you misunderstand Freemasonry. We require that our members profess a belief in a Supreme Being, but we leave the individual to his own belief about the Supreme Being. In other words, we allow him to think for himself. Sadly, that's a concept that most religions do not subscribe to.

Freemasonry is (as has been said here repeatedly) a FRATERNITY. A Brotherhood. It is NOT a religion. It does not claim to "save a persons soul" nor does it have a so-called "Plan of Salvation" Period.

We allow the individual Freemason to follow the faith of his choice and MANY Masons are very active Church-members. Myself included. I can quarantee you I go to more Church services and church related gatherings than I do Masonic meetings.

So (and to quote Masonic Ritual) "By the exercise of Brotherly Love, we are taught to regard the whole human species as one family--the high and the low, the rich and the poor--who, created by one Almighty Parent, and inhabitants of the same planet, are to aid and protect each other. On this basis Freemasonry unites men of every country, sect and opinion, and conciliates true friendship among those who might otherwise have remained at a perpetual distance." (Entered Apprence Degree-monitorial)

Isn't that what the Bible described as being the "whole law"? "Love one another?"

I think Jesus would be OK with it myself.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:17 PM by network dude

reply to post by Manasseh

"Who so ever believith in me shal have eternal life."
now who said that?
to bring up a past expirience, I knew this guy who was a baptist. Nice guy, but he had a wierd version of interpertation of the bible. he believed that if you were not saved in his church, you would not go to heaven. I asked him if heaven would only be filled with people form his town and he realy believed that. I only hope he has changed his views on this subject. Reliegion is different for everyone. If God is a loving god, and I think that he is, we are all welcome in heaven, as long as we live our lives trying to be good to others and try to live by his word.

Now you have assumed quite a bit about me, I was just passing on information. I am a confirmed Catholic and beileve Jesus Christ died so that my sins would be forgiven. But I can't for one second think that all the other good people who are in different religeons are going to hell. How do we now which idea is right? Maybe the mormon faith if the right one.

A spiritual man would offer help to his fellow man, not scorn him because his belief was different.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:59 PM by Fitzgibbon

It always impresses me the 'religious' types that seem to advocate things that would engender temporal disharmony. Mind you, the most voracious of the lot are something of a minority (while professing themselves and themselves alone the "chosen"). Yet in their pursuit of temporal religious unanimity somehow they overlook that "my Father's House has many mansions". Kind of National Socialistic in their outlook IMHO.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 05:15 PM by RealityisanIllusion

reply to post by Manasseh

The Order of the Knights Templar, who Jesus angered when He whipped the "money changers" in the Temple.

Where does this come from? Did you read this in the Bible? I doubt since the Knights Templar didn't exist until after the 1st Crusade which was roughly 1100 years after Christ.

BTW, I am not a Mason, or a Boy Scout.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 05:34 PM by ZindoDoone

reply to post by Evisscerator

You Sir, are completely wrong in your belief that the Momons are Masonic on any plain of truth. That is so far from the truth it isn't even in this galaxy. Unbelievable tripe of the highest order. You have NO, NONE, ABSOLUTLY ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF MORMON TEACHINGS! Believe me when I tell you, I do, and you are 2 million % wrong!!!

Zindo

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 05:37 PM by dobsonion2

I would like to thank the
Freemasons on all the work they do with charities such as Easter Seals. You helped conquer Polio and now your working for a cure for diabetes.May god blees you all.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:08 PM by intrepid

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
You Sir, are completely wrong in your belief that the Momons are Masonic on any plain of truth. That is so far from the truth it isn't even in this galaxy. Unbelievable tripe of the highest order. You have NO, NONE, ABSOLUTLY ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF MORMON TEACHINGS! Believe me when I tell you, I do, and you are 2 million % wrong!!!

Zindo

You sure about that? I believe I've read here that there ARE strong ties. Rephrase, used to be strong ties.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:09 PM by aleon1018

As delusional as it may sound; I've recalled joing the freemasons when I was just a little kid.

Yeah, it could have been some sick twisted copycat society also. I've been in a few scrapes with the law that I supposedly got out of because someone mentioned that I was a freemason and some other mumbled stuff.

I haven't much doubt there are other secret societies operating within others, just like the government does.

That shouldn't mean that there can't be honorable ones out there that actually exist either.

Some magazines I've seen had small mason watermarks on them. That doesn't mean that this really happens or that I'm really delusional. It could still be fake.

I went to an alleged freemasons event that was at some casino. Many others apparently weren't allowed in that night under heavy security. There were many well known politicians there that night as well. Go ahead, say it doesn't or never happened and laugh it off...whatever.

Maybe these others are visitors from other 'off-world systems' and societies?

Now that would be some super secret society.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:11 PM by sheepy ALEX

Im quite new to ATS this is my third or forth post. i tend to read posts, but never post my opinion or questions. I've often wonderd what freemasons do, I've read little bits and pieces, but ive never really fully understood.

Please can someone tell me what freemasons do, why they join, why the enjoy it, what beneifts they get etc.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:19 PM by euclid

Originally posted by Manasseh

I laugh at the Masonic disinformants on this site who claim,

"there is no secret antichrist agenda by the masonic society" are really not privy to any more info than the anti mason conspiracy
theorist.,

There is no secret anti-christ agenda. In the 30th degree we masons trample underfoot the symbolic representations of theological and secular tyranny which are represented by a papal tiara and a kinly crown - "The Kadosh (thirtieth degree), trampling on the papal tiara and the royal crown, is destined to wreak a just vengeance on these "high criminals" for the murder of de Molay and "as the apostle of truth and the rights of man" to deliver mankind "from the bondage of Despotism and the thraldom of spiritual Tyranny"." From the article Masonry (Freemasonry) in the Catholic Encyclopedia source www.newadvent.org...

Take a look at the hierarchy.

Image source

The third degree is a master mason. But there are 30 levels above that.

There are 3 blue lodge degrees and 32 degrees in the Scottish Rite and 9 degrees in the York Rite. Your point is irrelevent.

And the image still doesn't show the very top level, the capstone, the seeing eye.

That is because the work of Masonry.... which is to bring the Light of Reason to all Mankind, is never complete... and will probably never be complete due to the ignorance of people like you.

Don't say the all-seeing eye is God, because in the image, the eye with the "G" is off to the side of the pyramid.

The diety is represented by a generic symbol "G"; this symbol is also sometimes the hebrew letter "yod", which is the first letter of YHVH (yod, heh, vau, heh) - the hebrew name of god. The "G" is used as a direct reference to god (diety) and Geometry.

No, "The See" is Queen Elizabeth II" and her son Charles is in line to become the new "Lord of Man", and the official anti-christ of the bible, since he will become the leader of the ultimate anti-christ society, The Order of the Knights Templar, who Jesus angered when He whipped the "money changers" in the Temple.

It was the Temple Knights who protected the priest's money, which was collected through the "money changers"

The "money changers" took the common folks money, which had the face of Caesar on it, and exchanged it for coins which were acceptable to God, according to the priests, so that the common folk could pay their tithe to the church.

There is no way that prince charles will ever become any sort of political power. If you knew anything about British politics you would know that the royalty of england is completely titular and has NO POLITICAL POWER. The Knights Templar did not exist at the time of the money changers incident with Jesus that you reference. Get your history straight.

What people failed to ask, and Jesus exposed, was who made it OK for the priests to accept the coins cashed in with Caesar's face on them, and what did they do with this considerable amount of wealth?

Well, the priests bought power, comfort and who knows what else, and to keep their hordes safe from theft, they hired "temple knights" to protect the income.

The same temple knights who arrested Jesus, with the help of Judas.

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The people in the temple were jewish and other merchants who paid a percentage of their profits to the pharisees and saducees. Get your history straight.

Some of these templars had walked with Jesus as disciples before this passage.

John 6:66 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

www.biblegateway.com...:66;&version=9;

Any coincidence that the number of the passage is 666?

I don't think so.

The Kights Templar were not contemporary with the life of Jesus. The John 6:66 is taken out of context and refers to the disciples after they went their separate ways to enlighten the world and spread the teachings of christ. And there is no relevence to the 666 either.

These money moguls have two motivations—profit and greed at the expense of the masses of the people that are viewed by them, as mere cannon fodder. Ralph Epperson in his book titled, “The New World Order” stated, “The use of secrecy to conceal thoughts from certain of the members of an organization or from the public is the device of those have something to hide. That something is so horrible, so terrible, that knowledge of that secret must be kept from those would have the most to lose by knowledge of that secret.” (Reference: “The New World Order” by Ralph Epperson).

www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com...

I've read the book.... again you took the quote out of context.

Who is the New World Order?

The Knights Temple, and their offshoots, the money collectors, such as the Masons, Eastern Star, Rainbow Girls, Boy Scouts, etc.

The money collectors?

From the Rothschilds to George Washington, a double agent working for the Crown of England, and of course, a freemason

789-1797 George Washington, 1st. President of the United States? (F) Confirmed Mason. Initiated: November 4, 1752, Fredericksburgh (Fredericksburg) Lodge No. 4, Fredericksburg, Virginia. Brother Washington became Worshipful Master on December 20, 1788, and was inaugurated President of the United States on April 30, 1789, thus becoming the first, and so far the only, Brother to be simultaneously President and Master of his Lodge. Washington took his oath of office as President, April 30, 1789, on the bible belonging to St. johns Lodge No. 1 of New York City. (The New Age Magazine, January 1953, pg. 44) The New Age Magazine is a Masonic publication. Also a member of the Knights Of The Garter. Order of the Garter is the core leader of the Committee Of 300. Washington was a member of the Scottish rite, performed the 'Rite of the Mystic Tie' in a cave-complex near Winchester Virginia during the French and Indian war. (Masonic Assassination, Michael Anthony Hoffman pg. 4) "The United States is in no manner founded on Christian principle." (George Washington Treaty of Tripoli)

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

The money changers, knights templars, Rothchilds, George Washington, The Federal Reserve, etc, all have a common goal. To enslave society into debt.

The money changers were the bank tellers for the temple, the knights were the security guards, the Rothschilds modernized the system, George Washington established the National Banking system in America, the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 ensured that the new powerful nation of The United States of America would be forever enslaved in debt.

All of these have one agenda.

To turn people away from God, and enslave them to man, creating a

"New World Order"

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Manasseh]

First off Washington and most of the others were against any central bank. Alexander Hamilton got it though Congress in 1791 while he was Secretary of the Treasury.

Second, you are correct that the US in no way founded on christianty... it is founded on Deism which is to say that the Founding Fathers believed in a Supreme Being not the religious dogma of any religion.

-Euclid

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:20 PM by RealityisanIllusion

reply to post by aleon1018

Well, that is pretty dillusional. You have to be 18 to join the Masonic Lodge. Children are not allowed into Freemasonry. However, you might have been in the the Jacques DeMolay thing.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by RealityisanIllusion]

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:29 PM by aleon1018

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
reply to post by aleon1018

Well, that is pretty dillusional. You have to 18 to join the Masonic Lodge. Children are not allowed into Freemasonry. However, you might have been in the the Jacques DeMolay thing.

It's always easier to dismiss people then even claim to work for the government who was also allegedly responsible for the alleged Mkultra projects. That's not very honorable.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:34 PM by Anonymous ATS

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:37 PM by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by aleon1018

Originally posted by RealityisanIllusion
reply to post by aleon1018

Well, that is pretty dillusional. You have to 18 to join the Masonic Lodge. Children are not allowed into Freemasonry. However, you might have been in the the Jacques DeMolay thing.

It's always easier to dismiss people then even claim to work for the government who was also allegedly responsible for the alleged Mkultra projects. That's not very honorable.

Dismiss? I didn't dismiss you, I just pointed out the error of your post. Are you insunuating that you actually joined the Masonic Lodge before the age of 18? Please tell me what is so special about you that you can circumvent the laws of the Lodge. Are you the "Chosen One"? Kind of like Homer Simpson in the Stone Cutter episode?

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:43 PM by Appak

Originally posted by aleon1018
As delusional as it may sound; I've recalled joing the freemasons when I was just a little kid.

Unless you consider being age 18, 19 or 21 a "little kid" I'd say you didn't join the Freemasons. You see, you HAVE to be at least 18 (and in some states 19 and some 21; see below):

www.bessel.org...

to join.

Also, you have to ASK to join. We don't invite, nor do we force you to become a member, so you'd likely also recall asking someone you know if you could join.

Further, we send an investigating committee to meet you, see what kind of person you are, ask you why you're interested, and so forth.

You'd likely recall that as well.

I'd say if you were just a "little kid" like you said, you probably joined your next-door-neighbor Billy's tree-house fort.

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:47 PM by Appak

Originally posted by aleon1018
It's always easier to dismiss people then even claim to work for the government who was also allegedly responsible for the alleged Mkultra projects. That's not very honorable.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I hope the moderators won't remove my post for this, but, HUH???????????

reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:50 PM by RealityisanIllusion

Originally posted by Appak

Originally posted by aleon1018
It's always easier to dismiss people then even claim to work for the government who was also allegedly responsible for the alleged Mkultra projects. That's not very honorable.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I hope the moderators won't remove my post for this, but, HUH???????????

I agree Appak, I was more than just a little confused about what this thread has to do with MK Ultra.

Also, I didn't see where I claimed to work for the government. But hey, this site is for those that see things that noone else can.