The Master Mason doesn't know squat!

I love it when someone uses a cult disinformation link to discredit a fraternal organization that actualy has more verification of its true intended purpose. Those links are for the foolish to read, probably because theuser didn;'t have the moral fiber to become a Mason. I have seen this many times in my lifetime. Its scurulous and unbefitting to use information in the manner you have chosen. It also calls into question your motives. Have you been turned down by the masons yourself?? Probably couldn't make it in the boyscouts either!

Zindo

Then you should understand the role of being a
"Knight of the Brazen Serpent"


www.phoenixmasonry.org...

Have you reached "Worshipful Master" where your friends are encouraged to "worship" you??

Here, I'll even answer my own question for you, since the Masonic websites give you a guide on how to defend masonry against us evil anti-masons


www.masonicinfo.com...

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mtmouse32,

That's why it's so hard for those who are not Masons to fully understand the truth. For many years a man could not progress through the first three degrees except one month at a time (at the quickest) Some states now do all three degrees in one day.

The Scottish Rite (4th-32nd Degree) has for years, had "one day classes" 3rd Degree members receive all 29 Scottish Rite Degrees in a day! In actuality they only have "conferred upon" them a few degrees 4th, 14th, 18th, 30th & 32nd, the remainder are "communicated" in title only.

Now some areas even confer the 1st-3rd, followed immediately by the 4th-32nd in ONE DAY. So when a Mason says "I'm a 32nd Degree Mason" he may have become one (in it's entirety) yesterday. There is no "time period" nor required number of attended meetings.

I myself received the first three degrees over a period of 3 months (this was back in the day when the lectures had to be memorized and given before the Lodge in order to be passed to the next degree) about a year later I petitioned the Scottish Rite and received the 4th - 32nd Degrees over a period of about 6 hours, which included lunch, dinner, a group photograph, introduction of officers, etc.

The number of degrees held in Freemasonry doesn't mean anything at all. It's the individual and what he learns FROM Freemasonry, which he then gives (or should) the world.

We are all supposed to be known by our works. Sadly, so many people think we work in darkness, when in reality Freemasonry is in the light. It's everywhere, but most do not recognize it.

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That does make a lot of sense. I never stated the material I had was accurate or truthful, just stating on what I had understood. ( If i could find the book, I'd state the name / etc here to get better understanding from someone that may know it ) But your explanation does make sense of it all to me. Thank you for posting and enlightening me on that.

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In the southern juristiction of the Scotish Rite, the degrees are confered to canidates in several different ways. Usually it takes three days to present the degrees but when I went it was done in one very long day. From what I understand, the York Rite degrees take a long time. I think you have to study and recite information as you do in the first to third degrees. I am an officer in my blue lodge and I became a 32nd mason in my first year. they were having a membership drive. There is nothing diabolical about my progression, but masons with a lot more expirence than I have stated that canidates should have more blue lodge knowlege before going to the scottish rite. I think I would have gotten more out of the original expireience if I had followed that, but I can go back to the reunion and see what I missed anytime.

Do YOU? Have you received the degree? If now, why are you talking about it? You cannot possibly understand the "role" as you say.

And actually he may or may not know about that degree. Depending on his Masonic Jurisdiction. You see, in the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the U.S. the degree "Knight of the Brazen Serpent" doesn't even exist. They completely rewrote it and moved it to the 6th Degree now called "Master of the Brazen Serpent"

By the way, the degree teaches a moral lesson....based on the story of those who mistakenly worshipped the brazen serpent in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament, if you prefer)

www.supremecouncil.org...

Masonry is very different in every Jurisdiction. That's why blanket statements like yours and those of your ilk make no sense. You truly do not understand, but you want the world to believe that YOU know everything about Masonry, and we (the long-time active participants; read "Masons") know nothing. Silly stuff.




Interesting that you post that info on the meaning of this title, and do not even understand what you read.

The Master is, of course, NEVER worshiped. Have you ever met any of these guys? If you did, you wouldn't worship them either!

You're welcome.

Masonry has changed much in the last few years and continues to change.

That's why even some of the basic info that the OP had (the non-inflamatory parts) isn't completely accurate. Like my post regarding the degree Knight of the Brazen Serpent. The Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite in the U.S. does things quite differently from the Southern Jurisdiction, U.S. Heck, even the names (as you can see) are quite different because the Southern Jurisdiction doesn't include the word "Masonic"

Across the pond (where some of our ATS Masons reside) the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite isn't even CALLED that, but rather the Ancient & Accepted Rite, and their degree system and manner of receiving the various degrees is quite different as well.

Makes it difficult for members to fully understand, so it's understandably difficult for non-members.

Also makes good fodder for the spread of hatred and lies by those who think they know about us, but are in reality clueless. We got a lot of those around here.

Actually today the York Rite Degrees (like those of the Scottish Rite) can be and often are given in "class" settings and in one day. I took the long route (many years ago) but I know the one day classes have been going on for at *least* 20 years, that I can recall and I've been a member many more years than that.

No, it's actually pretty simple. In most cases, with very few exceptions, it takes 3 to 6 months to 1. Petition the lodge; 2. Have your petition read and voted upon; 3. Be initiated into the Entered Apprentice Degree; 4. Learn your EA work and be tested on your proficiency; 5. Be passed to the degree of Fellowcraft; 6. Learn your FC work and be tested on your proficiency; 7. Be raised to the degree of Master Mason. Once you've got your 3rd degree (and have sufficiently turned in your work) you can apply to join the Scottish Rite.

In most "valleys" (cities) the Scottish Rite confers their degrees to a class in ceremonies held 3 or 4 times a year, tops. In that "reunion", which can be anywhere from one day to a full weekend, the candidates are all brought from 4 to 32 during the course of that reunion. Some of the degrees MUST be enacted for each class, while others can either be acted out or just instructed in the classroom.

So depending on when a Scottish Rite reunion were scheduled, a person could easily go from not being a Mason to being a 32 in under 3 months.

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I have talked to members who have said they were on the 18th degree and expected to reach 19th soon, that is what made me think that way. in my limited expirence, it seems like there would be more importance and outside respect for the degrees if we had to learn them and their meaning like we did in the first three. For me it is kind of like seeing something in a flash, you take days to realize all of what you saw. I suspect it will take years to really understand the true meaning in all the degrees. I really liked the 28th. Our lodge put it on and really got into it.
Thank you for you information and conversation.
Have a nice day brother.

What is the point in masonary, and it heiarchy structure? Surely its not just a charitable or social club and certainly wasnt founded as such. Like any other form of groups with a similar structure, for example the armed forces, the structure is intended, clearly for the purposes of control of the lesser ranks/degrees. All powerful groups are formed along these principles, therefore masonary is about power and control.

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You could say that about anything these days. Corporations have a president and it trickles down. Churches have a head office and leader and, again, it trickles down.

What makes the masons different? Someone ( or group of someones ) have to make sure people are following the rules outlined in the bylaws / guidelines. Doesn't mean that its evil.

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what is most interesting is myself and quite a few other masons here believe masonry is just that, a beautiful system of morality put in place by people who just want to make this world a little better. I am not claiming to have any knowlege other than that, but that is why I go to lodge meetings. Maybe we decided that talking about making things better doesn't always get it done, but doing something about it will most certainly help.

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And on top of that, there are hundred of examples such as the following.


burningtaper.blogspot.com...

Is it any wonder Masonic "charities" seem to always associate children?


(bold added)
www.childrenslearningcenters.org...

And now the masons are collecting DNA samples from unsuspecting children and their paranoid parents.


vinegrovelodge603.com...

What a way to control who gets found, and who doesn't. And then the masons can target children with the "approved" DNA.

Talk about paranoia on an esoteric level. Wow!

FYI, the ChIP program collects this information from children whose parents VOLUNTEER it. Has nothing to do with "who does and who doesn't" if no one volunteers.

Additionally, and the info (ALL of it) is given to the parents, not, I repeat NOT kept by the Masons, so your "targeting" remark is once again an example of baiting.

A dime a dozen.

And guess who gets ALL the material? The child's PARENTS! Of course, let's not let something as inconvenient as fact distract you from a wildly wrong assertion.

Aw c'mon Fitz! 93.874% of the posts on this board couldn't exist if it weren't for THAT!

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The Masonic Lodge won't admit that their BIBLE does not even mention JESUS CHRIST nor that the MORMAN CHURCH has links to the MASONIC LODGE, which it does to the TEMPLE ceremonies.

Even MORE tripe.

The vast majority of U.S. Masonic Lodges use the Authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible on their altars. You know...the one with the New Testament. You know the part about the birth, life, death, resurrection and ascention of Jesus Christ?

Please.



There is NO official connection between the LDS Church and Masonic Lodge.

However, her founder was a Mason until he was expelled, as were many of her early leaders. Many of the Mormon Endowment Ceremonies are based upon Masonic Ritual. What of it?

The ceremonies of the Order of Odd Fellows, the Knights of the Golden Eagle, the Knights of Pythias, etc. are also modeled in one way or another after the Masons. First degree of the Knights of Columbus has a line that is directly taken from the First Degree of Freemasonry and the Second Degree of the Knights of Columbus has a ceremony very similar to a ceremony in the 30th Degree of the Masonic Scottish Rite. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

No conspiracy here.

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