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Is Jack the Ripper buried in Brisbane, Australia?

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posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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From au.news.yahoo.com...


A Brisbane cemetery may be the resting place of one of the most notorious homicide suspects of all time, Jack the Ripper.

On the eve of the 120th anniversary of the first of the murders of five prostitutes in London's Whitechapel area, keen Ripperologists have made the chilling claim he could be buried at Toowong Cemetery, in Brisbane's west.

They claim the man they think was Jack the Ripper was Walter Thomas Porriott, known to police as Andrew John Gibson.


Its been a while since I have read anything about Jack the Ripper and I thought this might be some interesting news to post. Somewhere deep down I guess I have always held an interest in who the identity of the person was, surely someone who commited such crimes cannot simply disappear?




posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:16 AM
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For those who are unfamiliar with who Jack the Ripper was and what he did....

From en.wikipedia.org...


Jack the Ripper is an alias given to an unidentified serial killer (or killers) active in the largely impoverished Whitechapel area and adjacent districts of London, England in the autumn of 1888. The name is taken from a letter sent to the London Central News Agency by someone claiming to be the murderer.

The victims were women allegedly earning income as prostitutes. The murders were perpetrated in public or semi-public places at night or in the early morning. The victim's throat was cut, after which the body was mutilated. Theories suggest the victims were first strangled in order to silence them, which also explained the reported lack of blood at the crime scenes. The removal of internal organs from three of the victims led some officials at the time of the murders to propose that the killer possessed anatomical or surgical knowledge.

Newspapers, whose circulation had been growing during this era, bestowed widespread and enduring notoriety on the killer owing to the savagery of the attacks and the failure of the police to capture the murderer, sometimes missing him at the crime scenes by mere minutes.

Because the killer's identity has never been confirmed, the legends surrounding the murders have become a combination of genuine historical research, folklore and pseudohistory. Over the years, many authors, historians, and amateur detectives have proposed theories regarding the identity (or identities) of the killer and his victims.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 07:24 AM
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thats quite imteresting if it is him but i am quite sceptical, because every so many years someone comes out with a new suspect, a prince of england, the occult, a man in america you name it.

i dont think we will ever know, especially now.

but i hane also been interested in this story for a very long time, i think what fasinates me is that forensics was discovered only a few years after the ripper murders stopped, so if hed have carried on or maybe started later with the killing he might have been caught.
but then i suppose the story wouldnt have been so famous.
alos the fact he or she i suppose just stopped for no reason.
perhaps he died or just moved somewhere else to kill who knows.

i did find a good site not to long ago about the ripper murders and theysay there where more murders at the time but they dont know if it was jack the ripper o a copycay killer. ill try and find it for you



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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heres the website i found.
be warned this is site has the original pictures of the victims so it might not be the best idea to go on here if you are a bit quemish

hers the link www.casebook.org...



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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Of the list of suspects, I have a strong belief that one in particular is most likely to be the notorious killer, and he disappeared mysteriously, so, who knows, perhaps he ended up in Australia.
www.buzzle.com... Robert Donston Stephenson. The way certain organs were removed made it quite possibly occult in origins.


'One avenue, which was never explored by the police of the day, mainly due to their ignorance, was occult ritual murder, including the doctrine that certain organs should be removed from murdered prostitutes, killed at pre-arranged sites, which were to be located at the four points of the compass.'

During his research Edwards realised that the victims were carefully laid facing north, east, south and west. 'How do you calculate the probability of finding four bodies randomly distributed in a city so that they form the precise points of a cross?' he asked....

Edwards said the organs removed by the Ripper - the heart, kidneys, genitalia and womb - were those routinely used in black magic rituals.


Stephenson had spent time in Africa, and the occult practices closely resembled those of West Africa. He was both a military surgeon, an occultist, wrote on occult topics. His wife was mysteriously murdered. He expressed a lot interest in the case and talked in such detail that it led his friends to turn him in as the murderer. This man published a book on the occult. Ultimately he disappeared without a trace:



I wonder if he could be linked to Australia towards the end of his life. He wasn't all that young to begin with.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by mystiq]



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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i often wonder if their was a second murderer an acumplice per say, or if there was a cover up.
victorian london didnt like scandel so its possible, especially if a upper class person was the murderer.
in those times the working class and the poor were the ones to be feared they were the ones that were supposedly feril in the eyes of the upper class, and the upper class wetre the symbol of propiety and virtue so i often wonder if it was a cover up.

this guy you mention is quite intrequing, hmmm



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Theres more detail about Stephenson here. I always suspected the killings were somehow linked to occultism, due to the organs missing. I think they actually had the suspect and let him go.


www.answers.com...

"I believe D'Onston is Jack the Ripper." Cremers had noticed a large black box in D'Onston's room, and one day, while the doctor was out, she looked inside the box. She found some books and also some black ties that had dried, dull stains at the back. She thought the stains might be blood....

Later, commenting on a newspaper report that the Ripper would kill again, D'Onston laughed and said, "There will be no more murders. Did I ever tell you that I knew Jack the Ripper?" He went on to describe in detail how the Ripper had carried out the murders, said they were "for a very special reason," and related how he had concealed the organs cut from the victims in the space between his shirt and tie....


an unsigned article by D'Onston that reinforces Crowley's claim that the murders were a black magic operation. The article is titled "Who Is the Whitechapel Demon? (By One Who Thinks He Knows)" and propounds in detail a black magic theory about the murders, stemming from occultist Éliphas Lévi 's work Le Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magic. D'Onston's precise knowledge of the methods and intentions of the murders, impudently combined with false clues while posing as an investigator of the crimes, makes a strong case that he was Jack the Ripper.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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Seeing as there is absolutely no substantial evidence it was anyone, anyone can claim anyone who died after Jack's crimes was Jack.

This whole Ripperology stuff is a massive joke.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Kryties
 


Seeing as there is absolutely no substantial evidence it was anyone, anyone can claim anyone who died after Jack's crimes was Jack.

This whole Ripperology stuff is a massive joke.


I would say that seeing as though there is no substantial evidence claiming that it WASNT anyone is enough to make one believe that someone did something to someone that sustantiates the claim.

*snip*

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[edit on 9/1/2008 by semperfortis]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 05:07 AM
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Errr - do you read your posts before submitting them? The vacuum of logic in that last one is fantastic. I think it sucked a good few years of my education out of my brain.

We need EVIDENCE to prove something. By your reasoning, every single person who was alive at the time of Jack the Ripper is Jack the Ripper. That is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

MOD Note: Terms and Conditions

[edit on 9/1/2008 by semperfortis]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 06:31 AM
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Quite frankly I find you to be rude and obnoxious. I simply posted a news article for those people who are interested in the subject to come along and discuss. You, in your infinite wisdom, thought you would come storming in here proclaiming its all bollocks and we are all fruitcakes, providing no evidence of your own to back your claims. How dare you. You arrogant sod.

If the subject does not interest you enough to make comments better than "It's all crap" then I would suggest you do not post here, go to skunkworks and abuse some poor sod there.

[edit on 31/8/2008 by Kryties]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 06:51 AM
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i do wonder if it was a guy or gal who died because logically a serial killer keeps going until he/she is caught or dies and gets more elaberate as they go.
but it does seem like the last murder was a final climate finish for something.
i think thats why alot of people think it s some sort of cult, or the occult.

i dont think any one is wrong or right because unless we have a time machine and go back and watch or someone comes out with 100% proof of who it was then i think we will never know.
there is no need though to come on here and cll everyone an idiot becasue they believe different.
this thread is for people to discuss there theories and beliefs and share and swap ideas just like the rest of this site.
i think ifyou are so sure you are right then dont come on here why would you need to



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Kryties
 


Seeing as there is absolutely no substantial evidence it was anyone, anyone can claim anyone who died after Jack's crimes was Jack.

This whole Ripperology stuff is a massive joke.



So, those people brutally murdered and carved themselves up?

What exactly are you trying to say? This is a fascinating unsolved murder case. Unsolved because the murderer was never found out. What is wrong with speculating about his possible identity? How does this harm you or your daily business in any way, shape or form?

Get off your high horse. You are on a conspiracy theory site. Deal with it or go away.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 02:52 AM
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back to the issue of tjack the ripper might be buried in australia.
it would be quite interesting to see if there were any murders around the area where this man was buried and if and match the murders in london.
im just wondering because like in london there was a lot of mjurders that happen around the time of the jack the ripper murders but were never offically tired in with jack.
so are there any murders in australia that were never really reported in the press or where reported but were forgotten.
especially if they were women



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 02:59 AM
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OK ALL...

Let's discuss the TOPIC and not EACH OTHER

Semper



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:23 AM
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I always did wonder that myself. For such a meticulous and callous crime, for it to suddenly just stop either means the person was dead, had been locked up for some other unrelated crime, or had moved on to a new area. I perhaps think that the latter is very likely as the killer knew police were closing in on him.

I believe much work has been performed attempting to find links between the Ripper murders and other unsolved cases worldwide. I shall do a little research and see what I can come up with.

reply to post by semperfortis
 


Roger, Roger



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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Of the two leading theories that 1. The murders can be linked to occultist rituals and 2. The coincidence that forensics was discovered not long after could actually tie into each other. If the men involved were actually high-ranking officials or of high status', being some being Doctors and taking a deeper interest into the science of things, they may have 'accidentally' discovered the art of forensics whilst performing their unsightly rituals.

What if forensics is actually the byproduct of the rituals involved with the occult? Wow, that would certainly shake things up a bit...



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:31 AM
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i can remember what programme it was because it was years ago, but there was a programme research the possibility that 'jack' moved to america somewhere and started murdering there because just a couple of months after the last whitechapel murder a copycat murderer was going around a small town in america doing the same thing but i can tremeber if this guy got caught or not.
ill have a look on the net know and see if i can find anything on this.
because like i say it was so long ago i can remember what the programme was called.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:43 AM
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i found this on the case book website about a connection with a murder in america and whitchapel, its quite long.
still no connection with australia hmmm


www.casebook.org...


i just thought perhaps there were two murderers or a murderer and a acumplice and after the last murder they went in there seperate ways, one america, one australia.
seems far fetched but still an idea

[edit on 1/9/2008 by kerrichin]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Jack the Ripper once said "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century." He did in fact contribute a lot to it. Think about it. His fame has been raised to the international level.
And the fact you say he ended up in Australia quite interests me. I mean, it was used as a prison by England for many years. Though the last shipment was in 1868. So was it that he thought he deserved to die there? Or did someone really know who he was and decided he didn't deserve to be buried in England, but to spend eternity in it's old prison. Just some thoughts.
Also, I post anonomously because I am not a registered user.



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