Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state'

Kremlin announces that South Ossetia will join 'one united Russian state'

www.timesonline.co.uk

The Kremlin moved swiftly to tighten its grip on Georgia’s breakaway regions yesterday as South Ossetia announced that it would soon become part of Russia, which will open military bases in the province under an agreement to be signed on Tuesday.

Tarzan Kokoity, the province’s Deputy Speaker of parliament, announced that South Ossetia would be absorbed into Russia soon so that its people could live in “one united Russian state” with their ethnic kin in North Ossetia.

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Despite the refusal of some to acknowledge the fact that Russia had imperialistic motivations to invade Georgia, Russia has announced what the rest of us have known all along. I believe that the annexing of South Ossetia is just the first step in Russia’s return to their cold war status. The rest of Eastern Europe better watch their backs because I think Ukraine will be next. If not Ukraine then it will be someone else, but mark my words, Russia is not done with its imperialism!

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Yeah the "one united Russia" isn't so united since they already started handing out Russian passports to Ukraine citizens. This is like another dictators expansion in czech then sudatenland then austria then poland, expanding for key resources to strengthen its war machine under the guise of freeing its own citizens. Putin is replaying history.

reply to post by SectionEight


You are right SectionEight! But I would also like to add that the Neville Chamberlain’s of the world are falling for this hook, line and sinker. Russia can do no wrong. History does indeed repeat itself.

Well then the US should be happy now, no little splinter states like we objected to.

Somehow I doubt that will be a dominant feeling.

Anyone have an opinion on how many more little bites they can take before Europe starts to panic. My guess is that the land grabs get progressively larger. Pushing a new limit at each gobbleup.

No doubts the Generals are all ready to fight by now, and held back by fearful politicians. How long before the politicians let slip the dogs of war?

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Putin wants no less than a reconstituted Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics. If the US doesn't take a stronger stand on Georgia now, a new "Domino Theory" will be put into play. Unfortunately, Bush is just hiding in the Blue Room, counting the days until he goes back to Texas. What happened to "The Decider"?
No need to answer it. It was obviously a rhetorical question.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Putin wants no less than a reconstituted Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics. If the US doesn't take a stronger stand on Georgia now, a new "Domino Theory" will be put into play. Unfortunately, Bush is just hiding in the Blue Room, counting the days until he goes back to Texas. What happened to "The Decider"?
No need to answer it. It was obviously a rhetorical question.

If your question was indeed rhetorical, the question mark would be absent.

LOL- so NOW everyone wants George to do something eh? too bad that will be left to someone in power next who will let Russia do whatever they want. America is about to start beding over and taking the big one.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Putin wants no less than a reconstituted Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics. If the US doesn't take a stronger stand on Georgia now, a new "Domino Theory" will be put into play. Unfortunately, Bush is just hiding in the Blue Room, counting the days until he goes back to Texas. What happened to "The Decider"?
No need to answer it. It was obviously a rhetorical question.

If anyone knows what Ossetia is and the Ossetian peoples' distribution between North Ossetia in Russia and S Ossetia - then you would know that all Ossetians want is to be one autonomous republic. S Ossetia never wanted or needed complete sovereignty (it wouldn't last economically anyway) - it wanted to join North Ossetia which already has an autonomous republic status within Russia. 90% of people in S Ossetia want to be part of Russia.

Now that S Ossetia is independent - why can't the people join Russia if they so wish?

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
Despite the refusal of some to acknowledge the fact that Russia had imperialistic motivations to invade Georgia

If it did - then it would have invaded all of Georgia. Russian armor was an hour from Tbilisi. At that time nothing stood between them taking Tbilisi quickly.

So far we haven't seen any nation truly invading any other nation in the last 8 years - except for the U.S. So who really has the imperialistic motives here?

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
I believe that the annexing of South Ossetia is just the first step in Russia’s return to their cold war status.

Have you seen the size of S Ossetia. Territorially it means nothing to Russia. This ain't no step - more like a 1/2 inch podium. And they are not "annexing it". S Ossetia declared independence last week. Russia recognized it. Now S Ossetian population will likely hold a referendum whether to join Russia.

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
The rest of Eastern Europe better watch their backs because I think Ukraine will be next.

Just what do you know about Ukraine? Crimea has never belonged to Ukraine - untill late 1950's when it was gifted to it by Russia. And half of Ukraine doesn't mind living together with Russians (the Eastern half), but does mind living with the other half of Ukraine (Western half).

Why can't Ukraine peacefully split into two parts - just like Czech Republic and Slovakia did? It would solve many issues, and give both parts what they want.

And if you think there will be an armed struggle in Ukraine - think again. No one has any intention to take up arms. NATO is the destabilizing factor there, not Russia.

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
If not Ukraine then it will be someone else

Like who? Canada?

Originally posted by LiquidMirage
but mark my words, Russia is not done with its imperialism!

Who is? China isn't. Nor is the U.S. Britain has some doubts. Every large power is doing something that can be interpreted as imperialistic. That is how things worked as long as nation-states existed.

Originally posted by SectionEight
Yeah the "one united Russia" isn't so united since they already started handing out Russian passports to Ukraine citizens. This is like another dictators expansion in czech then sudatenland then austria then poland, expanding for key resources to strengthen its war machine under the guise of freeing its own citizens. Putin is replaying history.

Just wanted to say that is an excellent point. History really seems to be repeating itself.

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Just picture Obama's naive enthusiasm vs Putin's KGB Iron Fist.

www.stop-him-now.com...

It was South Ossetia's wish to separate from Georgia and join the Federation.

It was Georgia's responsibility to hold a referendum to allow South Ossetia the right to chose who they want to belong to.
Instead, Georgia made the imperialistic mistake of attempting to take South Ossetia by force.

Now South Ossetia is getting exactly what they wanted... and Georgia still has blood on it's hands from shelling the city of Tshkinvali.

Abkhazia still wants to separate from Georgia aswell.

Maybe this time Georgia will know why democratic nations are expected to hold referendums, instead of killing civilians in an attempt to push them back into the Nations borders through fear.


Georgia asked for this. They knowingly committed genocide.

I don't have an ounce of sympathy for them.

Originally posted by maloy

Now that S Ossetia is independent - why can't the people join Russia if they so wish?

since when did USA annex kosovo into america as the 51st state?
it didnt

so obviously russia is overstepping its bounds now

Invading a nation is one thing, but ANNEXING IT 2weeks later???

thats a act of war !

jesus, this is getting outta hand fast

looks like russia is begging for WW3 lol

i wonder which internationalist put them up to this?

problem, reaction, solution

problem : russia invades s ossetia and then ANNEXES it
reaction : world ready to go to WW3
solution : one world govt

like ive been saying, this is definatly a fake war drummed up just to push the need for a 1 world govt

i think its sickening, really

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Putin wants no less than a reconstituted Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics.

Ok lets play the fear mongering game. Lets use simple math:

South Ossetia is about 1/900 of the size all the territory of CIS countries other than Russia. If it took Putin 8 years to "reconstitute" 1/900 of the "Soviet Socialist Republics", it should take him another 7,200 years to fullfill this mission. Now science is advancing fairly fast, but I doubt even with the most optimistic advancements that a Putin cyborg that can live that long could be created.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
If the US doesn't take a stronger stand on Georgia now, a new "Domino Theory" will be put into play.

"Domino Theory"? Wasn't that proved to be a largely miscalculated and mistaken theory, whose true purpose was to create some justification for getting the U.S. involved in countless proxy wars which yielded little in the way of democratic progress?

I have a feeling that McCarthyism is making a comeback, now that Terrorists are no longer scary or fun. You are still missing a few crucial factors though - like having actual Communists to fight against.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Unfortunately, Bush is just hiding in the Blue Room, counting the days until he goes back to Texas.

The rest of the world is counting too with a sigh of relief.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
What happened to "The Decider"?

He decided that pursuing the goals of corporate and political elite is more important than doing what is better for the country, like fighting actual threats instead of perceived and imaginary ones.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
No need to answer it. It was obviously a rhetorical question.

Too late

reply to post by muzzleflash


It was the will of the South Ossetian people to join the Federation.

It was Georgias RESPONSIBILITY to hold a referendum.

They didn't. Instead Georgia committed genocide in the hopes that South Ossetia would be too afraid to separate from Georgia.

Russia didn't annex anyone. South Ossetia has wanted to join the Federation for a very long time. Now that Georgia's iron fisted control over the region is gone, South Ossetia is free to do as they have always wanted.

Abkhazia also wants to join the Federation.

Hopefully Georgia doesn't decide to commit genocide again, instead of doing what they are SUPPOSED to do and hold it to a vote!

reply to post by johnsky


Excellent point Johnsky, a referendum of some sort would have been the appropriate method.....Although I would just as soon see Putin in an Afghan prison, I don't like to see new republics use brute force.......It is a return to the USSR way....

Yep...along with 9-11 done by muslims and now with a US president coming about with a muslim name but whom is black AND white. Someone to unite the masses when WW3 breaks out. Its all put together. One world gov coming soon.

If your question was indeed rhetorical, the question mark would be absent.

Not true.

www.whitesmoke.com...

The Punctuation Rules for Indicating Rhetorical Questions:

1. A rhetorical question is a question for which no answer is expected or for which the answer is self evident. A rhetorical question can end in either a question mark, or an exclamation point or a period, depending on context and the writer's purpose.

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Oh I agree with you. Russia has been making plays that I cannot agree with... but it is the RIGHT of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to join WHOEVER they want.

Georgia didn't see it that way, and committed genocide as a result.

Thanks for your post my friend.

I'm glad you realize that just because I defend South Ossetia, doesn't mean I'm taking sides with Russia.


For example of referendum.
Here in Canada, Quebec has often expressed interest in separating from Canada to become an independent nation.
And as a result, each and every time the proposition has come up, we have held it to a vote. All of Quebec votes on whether or not they separate. It's called a referendum, and if you deny your provinces/territories/states that right, YOU ARE NOT A FREE COUNTRY.

So far, Quebec has voted in favor of not separating. And even if they did... thats their right. They have the right to leave Canada.

Georgia was SUPPOSED to do the same.
But somehow, Georgia decided the best action to take was genocide.

I have no idea how people can actually defend their actions. It's disgusting.


And now, as a result, even if Russia DIDN'T allow South Ossetia to join them, South Ossetia would still DEMAND to become their own nation because of the acts of genocide Georgia committed on their own province.

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Originally posted by muzzleflash
since when did USA annex kosovo into america as the 51st state?
it didnt

Why is it that only America can make first steps? America made one big step and granted independence to Kosovo. Well Russia made the second step.

And no one is saying that Russia will "annex" S Ossetia. S Ossetia will join only if it wants to.


As for Kosovo - it never wanted to be an American step. It wanted to be part of Albania, but there is a condition placed on its independence that for now it cannot become part of another country.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
so obviously russia is overstepping its bounds now

And who is to tell Russia what it is overstepping or what the "bounds" are? Surely not the U.S.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Invading a nation is one thing, but ANNEXING IT 2weeks later???

S Ossetia was never invaded by Russia. No one has annexed anything yet, and two weeks already passed.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
thats a act of war !

War? NO WAY!!!! And here I though that all this was is a card game. Georgia started the war. If it wants to continue it - no one is stopping it. Saakashvili can take a rifle and go fight of the evil Russians himself if he so wishes.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
looks like russia is begging for WW3 lol

Don't know about Russia, but half of ATS is. Just to satisfy all the WW3 fanboys maybe ATS can hold a WW3 week once a year, when everyone pretends that the end of the war in upon us and tells everyone else about where they plan to hide-out during the war.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
problem : russia invades s ossetia and then ANNEXES it

Russia didn't invade S Ossetia. S Ossetians asked Russians to come in and restore peace.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reaction : world ready to go to WW3

I am sure everyone in the world is already sharpening their bayonnets. Or more likely they are too busy making money to notice.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
like ive been saying, this is definatly a fake war drummed up just to push the need for a 1 world govt

Yes - Saakashvili is plotting to take over the world and lead it singlehandedly. The Georgian empire is making a comeback.