How can you be against abortion and for capital punishment?, page 1
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 07:25 PM by jamie83
reply to post by zlots331



Ok, I will try to unclog your brain.

Capital punishment. The key word here is PUNISHMENT. A person did a horrific act against another person and is punished by having his or her lights turned out. They took action against another human, and by extension, against society as a whole. Society decides to remove that person from the planet and send their soul to God for judgment.

Abortion. A baby is alive in the mother's womb. The baby is about to be born and has their entire future ahead of him or her. It an entire future in which the baby becomes a contributing member of society. It's an entire lifetime of love, happiness, having children, raising a family, and having the potential to make a positive contribution in the world. Those who are anti-abortion feel that the mother of this baby could bear the responsibility of being inconvenienced by brining the child into the world so that the child has a chance to live out its life.

Those who are anti-abortion do not feel that the lifetime of the child is less valuable than a few months of having the mother inconvenienced. Those who are anti-abortion feel that society has an obligation to protect the right to life of the child.

Now I'm not saying I agree or disagree entirely with any of the above, but it might help you understand the answer to the question you asked.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 08:06 PM by Marilyn
reply to post by jamie83




Great post jamie. Great Post!

You said everything I wanted to say and expressed my feelings perfectly.

Marilyn~


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 09:00 AM by zlots331

Those who are anti-abortion feel that the mother of this baby could bear the responsibility of being inconvenienced by brining the child into the world so that the child has a chance to live out its life.


Those who are anti-abortion do not feel that the lifetime of the child is less valuable than a few months of having the mother inconvenienced.


Thanks for the great responses so far. I wanted to respond to the above quotes because it kind of clarifies a point that I believe is important, to me anyway.
To be clear, I am against the taking of any life, for whatever reason. That's why I feel the two statements don't go together.
I agree that someone made bad choices resulting in a pregnancy they didn't want to happen. I use "they" because there were two people involved. It's not a case of someone being "inconvenienced" for a short period of time, it becomes an issue of what happens to the child after it's born, for the next 75 years lets say. The chances are pretty good that at least some of these children will be at an immediate disadvantage. They may be born to a single teenager for example, who probably will not be able to give the child the care that it needs. That's why I offered that those who are anti-abortion (to use your term) should be first in line to adopt the child and guarantee that that child grows and prospers in a loving home. Not just insist that the child be born without considering the consequences that the child may face in a home where it already has two strikes against it.
I'm probably still not being clear. But that's OK. Thanks again for your responses.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 09:28 AM by Clearskies
reply to post by yeti101




"A bunch of cells" is way off!
A baby has feet and little toes at 6 weeks!
At 24 it can live outside of the womb!

When I had an abortion at 19, I thought it was a blob at 3 months and
it was THE worst thing that I EVER did!
The nurses and doctors didn't tell me anything about it!
It's a good reason a woman should have a sonogram BEFORE she kills it!
(Even though planned parenthood opposes it!)
I became a COMPLETE mess after I had it and I wasn't religious AT ALL.
I bacame agoraphobic and I had psychotic features.

The abortion process is so horrid that many people don't even want to know how it's done.
A saline abortion burns the baby alive and sometimes That doesn't even kill it,
A needle is inserted through the abdomen to remove amniotic fluid. A strong salt solution is then injected, which poisons the fetus and badly burns the lungs and skin. The child is usually delivered within 24 hours.

A D&C is where they open the mother's cervix and use a curette to scrape the baby out and bring the pieces out and count them. (sometimes they miss pieces and the mother could get septocemia and die)
A D&E
Forceps are inserted into the uterus through the vagina and used to separate the fetus into pieces, which are removed one at a time. Lastly, vacuum aspiration is used to ensure no fetal tissue remains in the uterus (such tissue can cause serious infections in the woman). The pieces are also examined to ensure that the entire fetus was removed.[2]

D&X is worse
Intact D&X, or partial birth abortion first involves administration of medications to cause the cervix to dilate, usually over the course of several days. Next, the physician rotates the fetus to a footling breech position. The body of the fetus is then drawn out of the uterus feet first, until only the head remains inside the uterus. Then, the physician uses an instrument to puncture the base of the skull, which collapses the fetal head. Typically, the contents of the fetal head are then partially suctioned out, which results in the death of the fetus and reduces the size of the fetal head enough to allow it to pass through the cervix. The dead and otherwise intact fetus is then removed from the woman's body.


Preemie babies can feel pain more than full gestational babies and yet, some think nothing of killing them in grusome ways!




[edit on 30-8-2008 by Clearskies]


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 09:58 AM by Misfit
reply to post by CO Vet



I think this is where the obligitory "I usually despise everything you say" comes in , but I REALLY like the way you reversed the subject !!



[edit on 30/8/08 by Misfit]


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 11:10 AM by Clearskies
reply to post by zlots331



I have worked at a crisis pregnancy center and donated money.
They provide a LOT of resources (apart from government) that give these women and babies what it takes to become self-sufficient, Job training, what ever they need.
Churches donate money to these centers.
You realize that adoption agencies pay these women for their medical and other needs?

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Clearskies]
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