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Enemies of Globalism, I challenge you.

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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At ATS, we deal with the idea of a New World Order (NWO) on a daily basis. Various members of our boards have several different opinions on the matter but the facts remain that while the Enemies of globalism stand subborn and steadfast against the idea of a unified world, or continent, or even region; The forward thinking minds of the youth understand that to succeed we must work together. We must cast aside our fears and expectations of a globalized earth and recognize the worldwide benefit to everybody.

Conflict in the world has reached a breaking point. This page shows a list of current ongoing conflicts resulting in violent death. Energy consumption is at a record high, and all over the world people are afflicted by disease and poverty. Even here in America our prosperity is threatened.

So I say to you, my fellows, what shall we do? Let us imagine that there is no group working in secret to bind our world together, to force us to cooperate against our wills. How can we logically expect to catapult our civilization forward into the future, into our galaxy and beyond? If things continue at their current rate many countries will be bankrupted before the end of the century. If we continue our dependence on fossil fuel, we face a disastrous falling to earth when the supply runs out, and it will. If we continue to try to maintain the facade that we're 'doing all right on our own' Humans will disappear from this planet before we have a chance to realize our greatness.

Unity:2. Concord; harmony; conjunction; agreement; uniformity; as, a unity of proofs; unity of doctrine.

We are a single race. Homo Sapiens.

In 1940, HG Wells wrote:


"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we [must] bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."


Our terror toward the New World Order is based on a fear of change. Last night, Barack Obama talked about how many of us feel disillusioned, time and time again as our hopes are dashed before our eyes. So many times, that we have come to accept this broken world, yearning for and talking about a better life rather than working toward it.

I challenge you all to challenge yourselves. Envision a brighter future, and help to bring us there. And not one person, not a billion people can do it by themselves. But we have to come together, to craft a world suitable for our grandchildren, and great grandchildren, and the people who will look back on us as their ancestors and say that it was we who paved the way for the Golden Age of Humanity.

I contend that what we fear is not the NWO boogeyman that we are all taught to fear, but the relief thereof. Every entrepreneur whose business folds, every worker who has to forgo college to work, every single child who dies of AIDS is a victory for those who oppose Globalization. We are one people. We are Humanity, and it is time we started to show some to one another.

If I am wrong then what I am writing has no meaning. The NWO has already won and we may as well sit on our hands until the world ends. But if I am right then all of us are to blame for allowing this farce to continue. This is our world. EVERYONE's world. The world belongs to me as much as it does you, as much as it does the Rothschilds, or the King of Saudi, or Javier Solana. If you are serious about giving the earth back to the people then you are my ally.

If you are serious about keeping in place the paper dolls we revere as our world leaders, and the lines in the sand that we have drawn to keep the differences out, then you are our enemy.




posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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Please read my thread on the global poverty Tax were I reference and quote International Organizations and US government officals. After reading it tell me if you think the average person will be better off and happier.

Global poverty tax
www.abovetopsecret.com...


My decision about NWO is based on what I have read that the NWO has published.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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High Technology is the future of mankind. This is evolution. Our bodies aren't evolving at a noticeable rate, but our brains are. The average child today is far more intelligent than his 18th or 19th century counterpart. The human brain is a study in genetic masterpiece, so far as we know. This is not to say that they weren't smart then, but that we have been, and still are, getting smarter. I predict that we will start seeing geniuses who destroy the IQ scale sometime in the next 2 centuries, as human development has always been fueled and supplemented by innovative thinkers, and people who were considered to be super-geniuses of their time, including people like Isaac Newton, Thomas Edison and Leonardo DaVinci. Now don't cry foul I am aware that people often connect these and other figures in science history to the agenda of the 'NWO'.

As for the link about the Poverty Tax, if I were a logical purseholder, I would invest in GE Crops out of choice. If we expect to feed our projected population 100 years from now, that is the ONLY choice, short of going on another deforestation binge. High-density crops and the ability to create them is a gift given to us by our scientific progress. We can, and we should.

I am a hardcore humanist, and I value the peace, prosperity, and development of HUMANITY above all, even god. Wherever he may (or may not) be. It is aberrant and wasteful to assume that Humanity can continue to progress without first developing their resources to meet the needs of continued development worldwide. This includes exercising all options available to us, including exploitation of science, without regard to religious implications.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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Ever hear of the Irish potatoe famine? GMO crops are not bad or good, however forcing massive monoculture on the farming comunity is. These GMO crops are geneticlly identical and if a disease or pest hits you get world wide famine.

Also READ the stuff, your post shows you did not. The GMO crops ARE NOT superior. Plants that have been selectively bred for 11000 years or more to suit a specific location's soil, rainfall, pests and disease are superior. That is what the African said, the Indian said, the Mexican said and even a UN FAO specialist said




a contributor to the FAO's Forum, Professor El-Tayeb, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Industrial Biotechnology at Cairo University commented that: "..currently available (GMO's) mostly contribute negatively to poverty alleviation and food security - and positively to the stock market."




WNO has nothing to do with what is best for nature or humans it is about corporate profits period. Corporations will make biodiversity in crops illegal so farmers must buy high price seed each season along with fertilizers, pesticides and other agricultural chemicals. India has already shown the results.




VANDANA SHIVA: Indian farmers have never committed suicide on a large scale. It’s something totally new. It’s linked to the last decade of globalization, trade liberalization under a corporate-driven economy. The seed sector was liberalized to allow corporations like Cargill and Monsanto to sell unregulated, untested seed. They began with hybrids, which can’t be saved, and moved on to genetically engineered Bt cotton. The cotton belt is where the suicides are taking place on a very, very large scale. It is the suicide belt of India.

And the high cost of seed is linked to high cost of chemicals, because these seeds need chemicals. In addition, these costly seeds need to be bought every year, because their very design is to make seeds nonrenewable, seed that isn’t renewable by its very nature, but whether it’s through patenting systems, intellectual property rights or technologically through hybridization, nonrenewable seed is being sold to farmers so they must buy every year.

There’s a case going on in the Supreme Court of India right now on the monopoly practices of Monsanto.

www.democracynow.org...



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



I am not against chemicals or GMO crops, heck I am a chemist and worked in the industry for years. I also farm and use the best combination of methods I can find to get the best yield without poisoning my land.. But I am pro-free choice and the NWO does not allow free choice. The USSR has already proven killing off the farmers turns a net export country into a net import country. Education and a free exchange of ideas is the answer NOT having some guy who never set foot on a farm make laws that govern how to farm.

I also suggest you checkout the real story of thanksgiving
freedomkeys.com...



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:18 PM
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I challenge you all to challenge yourselves. Envision a brighter future, and help to bring us there. And not one person, not a billion people can do it by themselves. But we have to come together, to craft a world suitable for our grandchildren, and great grandchildren, and the people who will look back on us as their ancestors and say that it was we who paved the way for the Golden Age of Humanity.


Call it a "Golden Tounge of Treachury". If it's too good to be true, then it is.

A Utopia is not possible, it contradicts human nature for power, greed, lust and wealth.

Learn why the New World Order is putting us on a collision course with China (but first Russia):

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution Of The United States.

Not the mythical United Federation Of Planets!

There was a reason our ancestors came to America (at least most of us from immigration) and that was the world was and still is a sewer of corruption, greed and tyranny.

Yes, There are more people and countries under the fist of tyranny today than free. Why on earth would you want to join that mess!

Perhaps one day (doubtful) there will come a day when Republics & Democracies flourish throughout the world and we can come together but there is no way in hell I would forfeit an inch of our sovereignty to a foreign power or body! (especially an organization that is far more corrupt and evil than our own corrupt politicians!)

Dream on. If you want America, come under the force of arms and take it. It will be a good fight.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
a contributor to the FAO's Forum, Professor El-Tayeb, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Industrial Biotechnology at Cairo University commented that: "..currently available (GMO's) mostly contribute negatively to poverty alleviation and food security - and positively to the stock market."


How can you honestly outlaw biodiversity? It's impossible, mutation will likely occur based on environment. Another reason why the seeds are made non-renewable, so we don't accidentally engineer homicidal broccoli that keeps coming back.


And the high cost of seed is linked to high cost of chemicals, because these seeds need chemicals. In addition, these costly seeds need to be bought every year, because their very design is to make seeds nonrenewable, seed that isn’t renewable by its very nature, but whether it’s through patenting systems, intellectual property rights or technologically through hybridization, nonrenewable seed is being sold to farmers so they must buy every year.


How long do you think we can continue to use the same agricultural model? It is outgrowing it's efficacy because our civilization is growing faster than current methods can keep pace with.

And of course you need new seed every year, you have to rotate crops, remember?



and the NWO does not allow free choice.


When did 'they' publish a pamphlet and where did you get ahold of it. I'd like to read their platform. There is no 'They'. There is Us, and the unreasoning fear that there is a network of mega billionaires and corporations poised to take over the world so they can exploit it until it's a barren rock. The likeliest of scenarios. I'm not proposing we 'let some organization take over' but we as a people make a concentrated effort that in the next few hundred years we start thinking of ourselves as citizens of Earth and not 'poor farmer from Ethiopia' or 'jackass trial lawyer from Boston'



... USSR has already proven killing off the farmers turns a net export country into a net import country. Education and a free exchange of ideas is the answer NOT having some guy who never set foot on a farm make laws that govern how to farm.

Agreed. Who the hell would appoint an Agricultural minister with no background? For that matter, who said anything about killing farmers?

You're talking about issues and concerns, suicdes blah blah over, and I quote UNTESTED seed. Who in their right mind uses untested product in industry? Obviously someone (or several someones) dropped the ball there. Of course we need standards, if there are no standards then nothing has changed and megacorps continue to rape our planet for profit as you fear will happen.

Dude, technology isn't free, it costs money to develop. The system we have in place obviously isn't working in Africa, I mean look, the people there are so well fed the US almost NEVER has to send anyone or anything over there to help out, like the peace corps or christian missionaries or THE US ARMY IN SOMALIA. If we put the money into it you and I both know we can do it. There already is famine, so obviously we need to do more. Anyone who stays up past 2 am watching the tube can tell you that people are starving all over the world.

Monoculture: what you're saying here is that the CURRENT methods of GE crop development and implementation are flawed, and I agree. You do have to rotate crops, and you do still have to be a farmer. There is alot of work to be done in the field, possibly years more of development. But years of the same bullcrap leadership and lack of proper funding have gotten people like you to think it is not feasible, and with a mentality like this, it is. You're presenting problems with no solutions, which I admit I do as well but let's try to maintain positivity here as that's what this thread is about. I realize I used somewhat strong language here but I want to draw strong thinkers to contribute. Which you have, quite well.

We have to be proactive, and we have to be serious about developing the world of tomorrow, it happens not by the grace of the world but by the hard work, sweat and tears of scientists and the great minds of our people.



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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:42 PM
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This is in the political ideology forum, meaning that we are discussing the ideological implications, and challenges that face us in the implementation of globalism. I'm not threatening to invade my own country, or attack it, or what have you, simply that we as humans are capable of such better things than we have accomplished already and anyone who doesn't believe me is deceived.

Golden Tongue of Treachery? Come come now, I'm just a man. I'm not the Antichrist.

I'm trying to convey this idea that I have of a truly free world. I'm not trying to lead you down the path of evil. Change is not evil, but speaking of it is? I do not understand.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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With the finite resources left and an ever increasing population. The increase in demand brought on by mass consumerism means at some point growth(economies,populations) becomes unsustainable, GM crops is a short term solution that when chosen leads to a terminal outcome, lack of bio-diversity.

Lack of bio-diversity might not mean much to most people but unfortunately it's an ecological bottleneck.

Sure humanity needs control of it's own destiny, but does it have to be by a bunch of clown industrialists, bankers, academics and politicians. I'm not prepared to let just anyone decide our future.

Most of the decisions that are made range from inept to criminal, the whole reason we are in this mess in the first place. The pesticides that Monsanto created and told us were safe are destroying the ecology remember DDT well nothing breaks it down. So what makes you think we should accept there most recent offering GM.

Seriously who gives a # about what your idea of globalism is David Rockefeller, George Bush, Jacob Rothschild?

Do you want whats best for humanity? before we have global government we should arrange how it won't be corrupted.





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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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World Hunger is mostly due to the greed of man.... you send food.. a Warlord takes it and sells it to buy weapons. You try to grow it there.. a Warlord or Government takes your grown in (insert country here) and sells it for profit or weapons.

We have more than enough food and could easily grow more. If tyrant leaders or criminals don't allow that food, training for self sufficiency, etc. in, what do you do?

Problem I see with some genetic modified foods is the greed of man that may kill most of us one day. Ever hear of GURT, terminator seeds or suicide seeds?

If not, find out... if this crap cross pollinates we "could" be really screwed.

"GURT is a genetically engineered technique whereby farmers would be forced to turn to their seed supplier each harvest to get new seeds. The seeds would only produce one harvest. After that the seeds from that harvest would commit ‘suicide’ and be unusable. There has been much hue and cry, correctly so, that this process, patented ‘suicide’ seeds, officially termed GURTs (Genetic Use Restriction Technologies), is a threat to poor farmers in developing countries like India or Brazil, who traditionally save their own seeds for the next planting. In fact, GURTs, more popularly referred to as Terminator seeds for the brutal manner in which they kill off plant reproduction possibilities, is a threat to the food security as well of North America, Western Europe, Japan and anywhere Monsanto and its elite cartel of GMO agribusiness partners enters a market.” Source: www.globalresearch.ca...

en.wikipedia.org...

There are conceptually two types of GURT.

1. v-GURT.
This type of GURT produces sterile seeds meaning that a farmer that had purchased seeds containing v-GURT technology could not save the seed from this crop for future planting. This would not have an immediate impact on the large number of farmers who use hybrid seeds, as they do not produce their own planting seeds, & instead buy specialized hybrid seeds from seed production companies. The technology is restricted at the plant variety level - hence the term v-GURT. Manufacturers of genetically enhanced crops would use this technology to protect their products from unauthorised use.
2. t-GURT.
A second type of GURT modifies a crop in such a way that the genetic enhancement engineered into the crop does not function until the crop plant is treated with a chemical that is sold by the biotechnology company. Farmers can save seeds for use each year. However, they do not get to use the enhanced trait in the crop unless they purchase the activator compound. The technology is restricted at the trait level - hence the term t-GURT.


In other words.. buy our stuff or starve. And you know some sick bastard would love this technology to cross pollinate with ALL food crops and then you can only grow food with that "special" chemical or new seeds controlled by these corporations or governments.

Welcome to Utopia


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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Thank you for the grand dissertation on the new world order. I often think from a logical point of view just how much it would make sense to join with the grand movement. After all, it would make complete sense to assign everyone an identification number. To be able to keep everyone in line, and to use it for identification purposes and of course the medical implications would be apparent. No more credit card fraud either, because you would have an implanted verichip number that only the HAL -1,000,000,000 the newest super computer hooked into skynet would know.

But I think what those who oppose the new world order fear most is the persons who are put in charge. The king of the hill. Say this king doesn't like number 666 of the global populace, which just happens to be you. Just because he has something against that number. Maybe he bet on the sixth horse in the sixth race on the six day of the month, and lost his life savings, his wife left him, and spent twenty years on skid row. He had to fight and scratch to get where he is now. So he wont have to bother with potential jinx #666 he just raises his index finger and those who are a proud part of the worldwide consortium do the deed.

It isn't the nwo we fear, it is what we know it will eventually become, an unstoppable jauggernaut of totalitarianism. Yes it does look pretty from my ignorant perspective as well. Now if we could just get everyone to comply.

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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READ!

“..98 per cent of vegetable varieties have disappeared, ...regulations are hastening the decline, ”


www.telegraph.co.uk.../earth/2007/12/08/eaveg108.xml




FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved

www.fao.org...


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



harmonization of seed rules and regulations in the EU



Biopiracy: It is becoming sadly common for large companies to patent traditional vegetable varieties, and claim them as their own. The subject is complex, but we do not believe it is correct to patent food plants....

In the EU, there is now a list of 'official' vegetable varieties. Seed that is not on the list cannot be 'sold' to the 'public' (even though it is perfectly legal to grow it!). To keep something on the list costs thousands of pounds each year, so it's only worthwhile to 'keep listed' varieties that sell in bulk to farmers, who have very different needs to home growers - a farmer wants their plants to respond to precise chemical inputs, fruit all at once and be tough to stand up to transport and packaging. You on the other hand, want tender vegetables produced over a long season, even during variable years.


Hundreds of thousands of old heirloom varieties (the results of about eleven thousand years of plant breeding by our ancestors) are being lost forever, due to some rather poorly drafted EU legislation. www.realseeds.co.uk...

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Tell me why you think this is such a really great situation?

It is very common for farmers to take the seed from the best plants and save it to grow the next year. I and some of my neighbors do it. I used a mix of native, wild and patented seeds for my pastures. We had a bad drought last year. I have a great pasture this year and I did not have to reseed but my neighbors with hybrid grass pastures all had to reseed. That is the experiment I ran that proved to me patented seed is not always the best and monoculture definately sucks.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Valid concern you've raised there, I suppose I never thought it possible for anyone to completely obliterate plant species.

But what of genetic mutation? are either of the variety of GURT seeds completely immune?



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:47 PM
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What is wrong with FAO?


...A harmonized framework of seed rules and regulations is a key element to strengthen farmers’ access at all times to good quality seed of improved varieties suited to their various agro-ecological zones and culinary needs. It facilitates seed trade and therefore creates an enabling environment for the development of private seed enterprises that can strongly contribute to ensure a sustainable seed supply to farmers and increase food production.


That sounds like a responsible way to me, maybe there's something I'm not understanding


Look if we can make seeds that will only produce crops for one year we can make seeds that will sprout a dozen plants for a decade, just my opinion. Maybe it's a pipe dream. Call me strange but I think what goes on in a laboratory, so long as it doesn't violate human rights or international law is pretty much fair game. If it results in meaningful and useful research, and a safe, -reliable- product for the public. I think that you guys are rallying against is not the idea of GE seeds, but the companies that are administering the current Generation of said seeds. I agree with you, that the deal looks shady. At this point in time. If I'm wrong here please correct me.

Do you think there is a possibility of engineering seeds that are both superior to conventional varieties, and are not sterile? Or maybe develop a seed that sprouts a plant that can use saltwater for nourishment(that's less likely I think) Wheat with grains as big as golf balls? Is there any way to do these things without risking a catastrophic mutation? I'll leave that to the experts.

In looking at the subject at large, there are 3primary concerns
.Effect on Environment
.Cross-Pollenization with established strains, and potential mutations.
.Food Allergy Complications

The Genetics dept at University of Utah has this site, but I think it serves to educate people like me, the non-experts.
learn.genetics.utah.edu...

Here's a hypothetical for you:

Maybe the next generation of Agriculture will depend on terraforming, rather than genetically engineered seeds?

So let's say we can't come to an agreement. I feel that we can benefit from this branch of research greatly. Especially if we made a species of plant that flourished in the most crude of environments, then we could really feed the hungry.

Forgive me for being an ignorant city slicker, I don't know much about planting other than what I can see with my eyes when a seed is planted. But you are the agricultural expert, do you think that it's a viable BRANCH OF SCIENCE at the very least, or are GE seeds completely useless to you? What do you think the next big breakthrough in Agriculture will be?



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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If we were talking about globalism with a Libertarian world order and a unification of autonomous states I would have no problem with it but as it stands now what is being implemented is decidedly corporatist-socialist global plantation where a permanent slave class works for the permanent boss class and the middle class is out the window. This world order to be managed by the boss class and their bully police state enforcers is no world I want to live in.

No thanks. I will keep working to reinforce the individual sovereignty of every human being starting with restoring the constitutional republic in the United States first of course so we have a base of operations to work from to help free the rest of the world from their corporatist-socialist slave masters.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 11:06 PM
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Ahh... I understand you now.

You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.

Evil exists, weather in the form of Satan (if religious) or just plain old "survival of the fittest" nature of man. There will always be people who will do whatever it takes to have power over others. That power is in the form of money, brute force authoritarianism, religion, etc. These turds will always rise to the top and attempt to force their will on others

The problem is the dark side of human nature.... Greed & Corruption, Thirst for Power or Glory.

Yes, Ideally we could do many things as a people (We have in America and many other countries in many times in history)... the nature of man prevents a paradise from ever happening. This is a law of nature as much as gravity.

Quick Example:

Q. Why haven't we cured a damn thing since Polio?

A. The money is in research and treatments.

Yes, there are many people in the World who would gladly watch (or try to not think about it) people die for profit or power. Likes attract likes and organizations form based around "power" of some type. Like weeds, this type of ambition overpowers a garden and becomes dominant... unless the evil is recognized and engaged (WW2).

I always complain that Liberals "just don't get it" because this nature is not understood. You cannot bargain, talk, or beg for your life with a hungry bear.

Remember the story of the Frog and the Scorpion?

The Scorpion says "It's my nature, it is what I am". Some people are like the scorpion in the story.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by infolurker
Ahh... I understand you now.

You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.

The Scorpion says "It's my nature, it is what I am". Some people are like the scorpion in the story.



So if we are a scorpion what are you? What ideas conflict with rational moral human nature?



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by LokiUnity:2. Concord; harmony; conjunction; agreement; uniformity; as, a unity of proofs; unity of doctrine.

We are a single race. Homo Sapiens.

In 1940, HG Wells wrote: "when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we [must] bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."



*sighs*

Brock Chisholm, 1959 Humanist of the Year, the Canadian psychiatrist who became the first Director General of the World Health Organisation said "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas."

I love who I am. I am proud of my Irish heritage and what my ancestors went through to secure their future generations would flourish and carry on the traditions they held to. I revel in the fact that I have been placed in the family I have. We are strong, hard working, happy, full of laughter, and there is no one who can ever fill their roles in my life.

You all are not my brothers and sisters. I had a brother and have two sisters and their places cannot be taken. You may only be welcomed into our tight knit circle when we are sure of your character and that you will not try to manipulate and abuse what we so kindly will share with those who have proven themselves to be trustworthy.

I am not responsible to be your keeper. You must make your own way in this world. I will take care of myself and my family to the best of my abilities so long as I have a breath in my body. The world need not concern themselves in our affairs.


Globalism is everything that is unnatural. We were not meant to all be equal. Survival of the fittest, right? Isn't that the way it has always been before us and still is where nature is allowed to run its course?

If more ppl would tend to their business and learn how to deal with their own personal problems, accepting that YES, BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PPL rather than tending to the worlds problems, there would be less conflict btw those of us on a smaller scale.

No need to worry about rationing. If nature were allowed to run its due course, those who were the fittest would survive would they not? But trying to create a way for everyone to survive as long as they can, while it sounds noble is anything but in that it will cause more conflict and more destruction (both of us and on the earth and its resources and creatures) as the world is filled with more and more of our species.

I don't want a fake life just to survive longer. I want to experience my life as it should be... my way, as I am, with those I love; not being forced to do it your way as you think I should be with an overcrowded faceless population.

Guess I'll be one of the ones to die should this be completely forced onto me (already has been in motion) bc THE kind of life you refer to OP is not a REAL life.. I'd rather rest in peace first than live it that way.
Just my two cents that I plan on keeping in my pocket away from the greedy hands of the world







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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 11:55 PM
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My regards JAM...One of the most thought out and eloquent responses full of good sense and passion. I salute you! Worthy is it which we should look upon as an example of that which men and women once held as dear in times all but forgotten.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Great post JUSTAMAMA



You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.


What I have tried to show is laws that are enacted for the good of corporations without regard to their impact on the world.

Small companies like REALSEED hand harvest and sold old-fashioned seed that works well for home gardens but is too fragile for mechanical cultivation. They can not afford thoasands of pounds a year to licence each of these special varieties. Therefore the varieties they and others small businesses like them have worked hard to preserve have been legislated out of existance This is for the good of the corporations and not for the good of future generations. Remember these varieties have valuble genes too and are often more drought tolerant, tastier...

On top of that plants cross pollinate. And seed spreads. I never planted Kentucky 31 because it kills fetuses and newborns in many species. However I have Kentucky 31 growing in my pastures thanks to it spreading via birds. Monsanto has taken advantage of this aspect of nature and sents spys out to trespass on farmers land, take samples and if their patented genes are found they sue the innocent farmer. a farmer who like me did not want their genes in the first place. The lawsuits are $500,000 and up so many farmers are forced to sign contracts with Monsanto. They are sworn to secrecy and not allowed to tell what is in these contracts.

I see no difference in Monsanto's tactics than I do in Mafia "protection money" except that Monsanto bought out the government first.

I do not trust human nature. I lived the first part of my live with a bully who would not hesitate to enforce his will on a small child with force. He almost killed me on three separate occasions. This man owns a large corporation and was a fanatical Marxist. I do not want to see him or anyone like him with absolute power.




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