High Technology is the future of mankind. This is evolution. Our bodies aren't evolving at a noticeable rate, but our brains are. The average child today is far more intelligent than his 18th or 19th century counterpart. The human brain is a study in genetic masterpiece, so far as we know. This is not to say that they weren't smart then, but that we have been, and still are, getting smarter. I predict that we will start seeing geniuses who destroy the IQ scale sometime in the next 2 centuries, as human development has always been fueled and supplemented by innovative thinkers, and people who were considered to be super-geniuses of their time, including people like Isaac Newton, Thomas Edison and Leonardo DaVinci. Now don't cry foul I am aware that people often connect these and other figures in science history to the agenda of the 'NWO'.

As for the link about the Poverty Tax, if I were a logical purseholder, I would invest in GE Crops out of choice. If we expect to feed our projected population 100 years from now, that is the ONLY choice, short of going on another deforestation binge. High-density crops and the ability to create them is a gift given to us by our scientific progress. We can, and we should.

I am a hardcore humanist, and I value the peace, prosperity, and development of HUMANITY above all, even god. Wherever he may (or may not) be. It is aberrant and wasteful to assume that Humanity can continue to progress without first developing their resources to meet the needs of continued development worldwide. This includes exercising all options available to us, including exploitation of science, without regard to religious implications.

I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution Of The United States.

Not the mythical United Federation Of Planets!

There was a reason our ancestors came to America (at least most of us from immigration) and that was the world was and still is a sewer of corruption, greed and tyranny.

Yes, There are more people and countries under the fist of tyranny today than free. Why on earth would you want to join that mess!

Perhaps one day (doubtful) there will come a day when Republics & Democracies flourish throughout the world and we can come together but there is no way in hell I would forfeit an inch of our sovereignty to a foreign power or body! (especially an organization that is far more corrupt and evil than our own corrupt politicians!)

Dream on. If you want America, come under the force of arms and take it. It will be a good fight.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
a contributor to the FAO's Forum, Professor El-Tayeb, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Industrial Biotechnology at Cairo University commented that: "..currently available (GMO's) mostly contribute negatively to poverty alleviation and food security - and positively to the stock market."

How can you honestly outlaw biodiversity? It's impossible, mutation will likely occur based on environment. Another reason why the seeds are made non-renewable, so we don't accidentally engineer homicidal broccoli that keeps coming back.

And the high cost of seed is linked to high cost of chemicals, because these seeds need chemicals. In addition, these costly seeds need to be bought every year, because their very design is to make seeds nonrenewable, seed that isn’t renewable by its very nature, but whether it’s through patenting systems, intellectual property rights or technologically through hybridization, nonrenewable seed is being sold to farmers so they must buy every year.

How long do you think we can continue to use the same agricultural model? It is outgrowing it's efficacy because our civilization is growing faster than current methods can keep pace with.

And of course you need new seed every year, you have to rotate crops, remember?

and the NWO does not allow free choice.

When did 'they' publish a pamphlet and where did you get ahold of it. I'd like to read their platform. There is no 'They'. There is Us, and the unreasoning fear that there is a network of mega billionaires and corporations poised to take over the world so they can exploit it until it's a barren rock. The likeliest of scenarios. I'm not proposing we 'let some organization take over' but we as a people make a concentrated effort that in the next few hundred years we start thinking of ourselves as citizens of Earth and not 'poor farmer from Ethiopia' or 'jackass trial lawyer from Boston'

... USSR has already proven killing off the farmers turns a net export country into a net import country. Education and a free exchange of ideas is the answer NOT having some guy who never set foot on a farm make laws that govern how to farm.

Agreed. Who the hell would appoint an Agricultural minister with no background? For that matter, who said anything about killing farmers?

You're talking about issues and concerns, suicdes blah blah over, and I quote UNTESTED seed. Who in their right mind uses untested product in industry? Obviously someone (or several someones) dropped the ball there. Of course we need standards, if there are no standards then nothing has changed and megacorps continue to rape our planet for profit as you fear will happen.

Dude, technology isn't free, it costs money to develop. The system we have in place obviously isn't working in Africa, I mean look, the people there are so well fed the US almost NEVER has to send anyone or anything over there to help out, like the peace corps or christian missionaries or THE US ARMY IN SOMALIA. If we put the money into it you and I both know we can do it. There already is famine, so obviously we need to do more. Anyone who stays up past 2 am watching the tube can tell you that people are starving all over the world.

Monoculture: what you're saying here is that the CURRENT methods of GE crop development and implementation are flawed, and I agree. You do have to rotate crops, and you do still have to be a farmer. There is alot of work to be done in the field, possibly years more of development. But years of the same bullcrap leadership and lack of proper funding have gotten people like you to think it is not feasible, and with a mentality like this, it is. You're presenting problems with no solutions, which I admit I do as well but let's try to maintain positivity here as that's what this thread is about. I realize I used somewhat strong language here but I want to draw strong thinkers to contribute. Which you have, quite well.

We have to be proactive, and we have to be serious about developing the world of tomorrow, it happens not by the grace of the world but by the hard work, sweat and tears of scientists and the great minds of our people.



[edit on 8-29-2008 by Loki]

This is in the political ideology forum, meaning that we are discussing the ideological implications, and challenges that face us in the implementation of globalism. I'm not threatening to invade my own country, or attack it, or what have you, simply that we as humans are capable of such better things than we have accomplished already and anyone who doesn't believe me is deceived.

Golden Tongue of Treachery? Come come now, I'm just a man. I'm not the Antichrist.

I'm trying to convey this idea that I have of a truly free world. I'm not trying to lead you down the path of evil. Change is not evil, but speaking of it is? I do not understand.

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Thank you for the grand dissertation on the new world order. I often think from a logical point of view just how much it would make sense to join with the grand movement. After all, it would make complete sense to assign everyone an identification number. To be able to keep everyone in line, and to use it for identification purposes and of course the medical implications would be apparent. No more credit card fraud either, because you would have an implanted verichip number that only the HAL -1,000,000,000 the newest super computer hooked into skynet would know.

But I think what those who oppose the new world order fear most is the persons who are put in charge. The king of the hill. Say this king doesn't like number 666 of the global populace, which just happens to be you. Just because he has something against that number. Maybe he bet on the sixth horse in the sixth race on the six day of the month, and lost his life savings, his wife left him, and spent twenty years on skid row. He had to fight and scratch to get where he is now. So he wont have to bother with potential jinx #666 he just raises his index finger and those who are a proud part of the worldwide consortium do the deed.

It isn't the nwo we fear, it is what we know it will eventually become, an unstoppable jauggernaut of totalitarianism. Yes it does look pretty from my ignorant perspective as well. Now if we could just get everyone to comply.

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If we were talking about globalism with a Libertarian world order and a unification of autonomous states I would have no problem with it but as it stands now what is being implemented is decidedly corporatist-socialist global plantation where a permanent slave class works for the permanent boss class and the middle class is out the window. This world order to be managed by the boss class and their bully police state enforcers is no world I want to live in.

No thanks. I will keep working to reinforce the individual sovereignty of every human being starting with restoring the constitutional republic in the United States first of course so we have a base of operations to work from to help free the rest of the world from their corporatist-socialist slave masters.

Ahh... I understand you now.

You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.

Evil exists, weather in the form of Satan (if religious) or just plain old "survival of the fittest" nature of man. There will always be people who will do whatever it takes to have power over others. That power is in the form of money, brute force authoritarianism, religion, etc. These turds will always rise to the top and attempt to force their will on others

The problem is the dark side of human nature.... Greed & Corruption, Thirst for Power or Glory.

Yes, Ideally we could do many things as a people (We have in America and many other countries in many times in history)... the nature of man prevents a paradise from ever happening. This is a law of nature as much as gravity.

Quick Example:

Q. Why haven't we cured a damn thing since Polio?

A. The money is in research and treatments.

Yes, there are many people in the World who would gladly watch (or try to not think about it) people die for profit or power. Likes attract likes and organizations form based around "power" of some type. Like weeds, this type of ambition overpowers a garden and becomes dominant... unless the evil is recognized and engaged (WW2).

I always complain that Liberals "just don't get it" because this nature is not understood. You cannot bargain, talk, or beg for your life with a hungry bear.

Remember the story of the Frog and the Scorpion?

The Scorpion says "It's my nature, it is what I am". Some people are like the scorpion in the story.

Originally posted by infolurker
Ahh... I understand you now.

You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.

The Scorpion says "It's my nature, it is what I am". Some people are like the scorpion in the story.

So if we are a scorpion what are you? What ideas conflict with rational moral human nature?

Originally posted by LokiUnity:2. Concord; harmony; conjunction; agreement; uniformity; as, a unity of proofs; unity of doctrine.

We are a single race. Homo Sapiens.

In 1940, HG Wells wrote: "when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we [must] bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people."

*sighs*

Brock Chisholm, 1959 Humanist of the Year, the Canadian psychiatrist who became the first Director General of the World Health Organisation said "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas."

I love who I am. I am proud of my Irish heritage and what my ancestors went through to secure their future generations would flourish and carry on the traditions they held to. I revel in the fact that I have been placed in the family I have. We are strong, hard working, happy, full of laughter, and there is no one who can ever fill their roles in my life.

You all are not my brothers and sisters. I had a brother and have two sisters and their places cannot be taken. You may only be welcomed into our tight knit circle when we are sure of your character and that you will not try to manipulate and abuse what we so kindly will share with those who have proven themselves to be trustworthy.

I am not responsible to be your keeper. You must make your own way in this world. I will take care of myself and my family to the best of my abilities so long as I have a breath in my body. The world need not concern themselves in our affairs.


Globalism is everything that is unnatural. We were not meant to all be equal. Survival of the fittest, right? Isn't that the way it has always been before us and still is where nature is allowed to run its course?

If more ppl would tend to their business and learn how to deal with their own personal problems, accepting that YES, BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PPL rather than tending to the worlds problems, there would be less conflict btw those of us on a smaller scale.

No need to worry about rationing. If nature were allowed to run its due course, those who were the fittest would survive would they not? But trying to create a way for everyone to survive as long as they can, while it sounds noble is anything but in that it will cause more conflict and more destruction (both of us and on the earth and its resources and creatures) as the world is filled with more and more of our species.

I don't want a fake life just to survive longer. I want to experience my life as it should be... my way, as I am, with those I love; not being forced to do it your way as you think I should be with an overcrowded faceless population.

Guess I'll be one of the ones to die should this be completely forced onto me (already has been in motion) bc THE kind of life you refer to OP is not a REAL life.. I'd rather rest in peace first than live it that way. Just my two cents that I plan on keeping in my pocket away from the greedy hands of the world






[edit on 29-8-2008 by justamomma]

Great post JUSTAMAMA

You don't comprehend human nature and you have embraced ideas that conflict with human nature.

What I have tried to show is laws that are enacted for the good of corporations without regard to their impact on the world.

Small companies like REALSEED hand harvest and sold old-fashioned seed that works well for home gardens but is too fragile for mechanical cultivation. They can not afford thoasands of pounds a year to licence each of these special varieties. Therefore the varieties they and others small businesses like them have worked hard to preserve have been legislated out of existance This is for the good of the corporations and not for the good of future generations. Remember these varieties have valuble genes too and are often more drought tolerant, tastier...

On top of that plants cross pollinate. And seed spreads. I never planted Kentucky 31 because it kills fetuses and newborns in many species. However I have Kentucky 31 growing in my pastures thanks to it spreading via birds. Monsanto has taken advantage of this aspect of nature and sents spys out to trespass on farmers land, take samples and if their patented genes are found they sue the innocent farmer. a farmer who like me did not want their genes in the first place. The lawsuits are $500,000 and up so many farmers are forced to sign contracts with Monsanto. They are sworn to secrecy and not allowed to tell what is in these contracts.

I see no difference in Monsanto's tactics than I do in Mafia "protection money" except that Monsanto bought out the government first.

I do not trust human nature. I lived the first part of my live with a bully who would not hesitate to enforce his will on a small child with force. He almost killed me on three separate occasions. This man owns a large corporation and was a fanatical Marxist. I do not want to see him or anyone like him with absolute power.