I'm not a facist, but a facist state will breed revolution. You can't help it its inevitable a government becomes totalitarian and then a revolution must take place to set things right. It's a cycle and endless waltz 3 beats of war, peace, and revolution.

Sure the years of fascism will suck but, then we'll get the chance to set things right again. So bring on the fascism and lets start the revolution.

something tells me you haven't thought this one through all the way...

wouldnt it be better to have a revolution before fascism?

i doubt anyone will fight back

america has become way too apathetic and follow orders-mentality

so when fascism comes, thats what we will get
fascism

no ones gonna revolt

people are too afraid

they would rather watch tv and have a burger, than risk their lives for freedom

im serious, i highly doubt anyone will revolt

so , we better get used to taking orders

cuz no one is gonna stand up agianst them , im afraid

sorry but thats the painful truth

Originally posted by scientist
something tells me you haven't thought this one through all the way...

wouldnt it be better to have a revolution before fascism?

You can't have a revolution before fascism because fascism is what sparks the revolution


I think the fascism will break America out of its apathy

Originally posted by WisdomInChains
You can't have a revolution before fascism because fascism is what sparks the revolution

Exactly what historical reference do you have to serve as an example to this theory?

I can think of a few South American countries that have somewhat followed that pattern. Except replace revolution with military coup and consider that their stability is akin to a house of cards set up on a dominos display locked in a room with a rambunctious child chasing a clumsy kitten...

I think that about describes it well enough.

Sorry but to start a revolution you need money, that is why every revolution brought more tyranny, it has always been about getting rid of one gang to replace it with another. Whomever has enough money can start a war or a revolution, it is not the people that decide to start revolutions. All revolutions, terrorists, wars, resistance movements are heavily backed by finance, military and logistics. I think what you are saying shows a lack of understanding how the world and power works and has always worked. Whomever wins gets to decide what future generations are supposed to know about the war, revolution, resistance movement etc...
The zionists started most revolutions in Europe and Russia and gained a great deal of wealth and influence, the populations never gained nought from them, they are just told they did through manipulated history books and brain washing. I wouldn't welcome fascism just yet if I were you.

You know, of course, that even you will disagree with your request to bring on the Fascism. You will do everything in your power to stop the very thing you are wishing for. You know, of course, that all real truth is paradoxical!

The only people who wish for fascism are people who have never been unfortunate enough to have had to live under fascist rule.


Go see if you can find a German man or woman over 75 years of age and ask them what they think about your little theory

I don't rember the Germans complaining when hitler made them a super power i dont even think the austrians cared when he annexed them it wasnt until they lost the war and people wanted to know how they could have let the nazis take over that they stared complaining


Im not really advocating obviously if a revolution could take place now id be for it but thinks have to be absolutly horrible for people to do somthing about it

Originally posted by WisdomInChains
I don't rember the Germans complaining when hitler made them a super power i dont even think the austrians cared when he annexed them it wasnt until they lost the war and people wanted to know how they could have let the nazis take over that they stared complaining

I think that just about sums it up.

You mean to tell me that America is not ALREADY a fascist state?
See if this makes sense:
Fascism: Concentrated private control of wealth, Control of information, Massive investment/ manufacture of arms and military equipment, Supression of labor movements, Command presence of police forces... ANY of this sound familiar?
I'm personally starting to doubt that Americans as a people even know the rights and liberties that our Constitution guarantees us. I KNOW that our Federal government doesn't want us to know a thing about that "goddam piece of paper" as G.W. Bush puts it.
The so-called "Patriot" Act was only the beginning folks. I'm just ashamed that so few have the stones to march to Washington shoulder to shoulder and change this horrible death of a great country.

you people are thinking to much in the past. facism has changed. its no longer just politians that have all the power. corporations also have enormous power. arguably more power. for they use lobbyist to influence the politicians. they use money to buy them off. and they control everything you see, hear, learn, and even ingest. to me america is more of a corporate facist state as oppossed to a traditional facist state.

did i just inadvertedly kill this thread? ive been waiting for an adversary on this topic....

Fascism would better this country.

Sorry, but I don't think you know what Fascism is.

What you want is a dictatorship, not fascism.

Hmm...

A revolution to what though? Anarchism? Communism? Islamism? Theocracy? Democracy?

As another poster mentioned, the US already has many of the hallmarks of a fascist state.

Look at the current state of democracy - if you're a business entity with enough money, and not just America I might add, there's a lot of lobbying that goes on in Australia for example, you can literally buy government policy.

As crazy as it sounds, this is probably as good as our society is going to reach.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

mattguy404 is correct. government policy can be bought, but you can buy it anywhere from any country really. so doesnt that leave the current problem with the world to be money? it is the root of all evil as we all have herd im sure. but to get rid of money would lead to a barter economy. like way back in the day. and wouldnt that mean having to have some kind of government (or lack there of) like tribalism of city states or something? which i guess would make a big circle back to the way things were a few thousand years ago and if we dont learn from how that kind society evolved into the crap we have now we would eventually, over a long period of time, end up where we are now again. i guess what im trying to say is that when it comes to a revolution we would have to have a well thought out plan on how we would want things to be and hopefully we would come up with the insight to form some sort of society to allow room for the evolution of that society so that we dont end up back to where we are now.

Originally posted by TimeDog
you people are thinking to much in the past. facism has changed. its no longer just politians that have all the power. corporations also have enormous power. arguably more power. for they use lobbyist to influence the politicians. they use money to buy them off. and they control everything you see, hear, learn, and even ingest. to me america is more of a corporate facist state as oppossed to a traditional facist state.

Since we're bringing up the past, let's look at Italy during the time of Mussolini. My grandparents were there, and my grandfather fought in his army in Greece. I heard stories about Il Duce from my Nanni and Pop, and none of them too pleasant. The man was insane. I digress...
My point is: even Il Duce conceeded that his brand of Fascism could more accurately be called "corporatism". Look it up- true statement. He was aware that the corporations at the time were the driving force behind national policy. We're seeing alot of scary paralells in America today to Fascist Italy.
As for the Germans, National Socialism could be considered in NO way to be Fascist by definition.
I really ought to post my Fasces tattoo on my side as my avatar... that would really blow some minds, huh?
Fascism goes WAY back in history... all the way to the Roman empire. The word gets bandied about a bit too loosely today I'm afraid.

well whatever you wanna call their system of control it more then likely will not last. no government ever lasts. eventually people rise up and change things.