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UK: Superiors tell Muslim cop to 'shut up'

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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I'd tell him to shutup too, as I along with the common Brit, who would be the one paying him his retirment.

If he was really intrested in his job, and wanted to sort this 'racism' and what not claims he would work at the grass roots to fix it, not go straight for the big claim.

The worlds inheritly not fair, falling back on the 'race card' shouldn't be an available option, the rest of us don't have it.




posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Nerevar
This makes an interesting counter story....

Muslim Council Chiefs ban eating in meetings during Ramadan



This isn't the United Kingdom anymore than it is the Divided kingdom. For a moderator to wade in and call racism on this thread when there is none is a real sign of the times.



I agree with you 100% on this one. Western nations are constantly being subjected to Muslim immigrants demanding separate laws and rights, this is not a racist statement it is a fact. From the cases I've read about, and through my discussions (including with Muslim friends of mine), I find when they don't get their way (political agenda) they claim that they are being discriminated against, or there is some sort of double standard. They don't seem to realize that it is up to them to adapt to the country, not the country to them.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 02:27 AM
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I'm so glad they told him to shut up and get on with it.

I didn't think the UK had that kind of balls any more. Next all we need to do is say "don't like it, don't take it - leave!"



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 02:54 AM
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In the UK today we have lots of ethnic minorities abusing racism using it as a means to gain money in forms of compensation, Racism no longer has any boundaries and is no longer defined as just about most things any one person says can be seen as racism. The one thing that bugs me is that if anything racist is said to any white minority it is never taken as serious racism or ever actioned against.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:27 AM
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Or maybe he's not up to the job?? No matter, let's pull the racist card and see what we can get out of it. The fact that he's even pulling this stunt shows exactly what kind of person he is. A top level copper shouldn't be a cry baby that spits his dummy out at every opportunity.

Maybe I should start moaning because I can't be a top level business exec... they are so against my race..



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 04:56 AM
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Good for the cops.
How can it be racial discrimination if ´Muslim´ is just an ´opinion´ and not a geographical location?
It appears more and more muslims are wanting special treatment in the UK and seemingly suffering the delusion that they are in some way ´better´ to other British people.
Of course its got nothing to do with the vast sums of money dished out to them in out of court settlements.
I realise not all muslims are of the mistaken view that they are in some way superior/different/important/special to anyone else in the UK but it seems there is a growing number.
It´s high time politicians and judges stopped being cowardly and addressed this issue of complete equality for all UK residents with no exceptions (and stopped pandering to these bigotted sociopaths).


[edit on 01/12/01 by karl 12]



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:35 AM
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Bait taken.

Tarique is of course free to live where he chooses. The point is that the UK (and most of the western world) has accommodated and changed laws and rules. There has to come a point when we say, enough is enough. Minorities are demanding changes to accommodate their way of life and not integrating into our way of life. This is causing the divide. As a White twenty-something male i feel that i have less rights than all other groups within British Society. Can i be discriminated against? yes. Do equal rights laws recognise this? No.

Please read the source document about what was ACTUALLY said:


However, Blair's deputy Sir Paul Stephenson rebuked Ghaffur, saying, "I think it is long past time that we all shut up, stop making public statements about private disputes and get on with the job we are paid to do.


What has Sir Ian Blair said about this Publicly? Nothing. Why? He is getting on with his job and not making an internal Police dispute into public knowledge.

I do not disagree that Tarique Ghaffur has incurred racism during his years in the met and for the fact that he has attained rank in spite of it i commend him. In this situation, what if Sir Ian Blair had doubts over his commitment to the force and for that reason decided to change the staff on the security board for the London 2012 Olympics? is he not entitled to make this decision based on his position as Police Chief?



Originally posted by Neformore
Do we tell women police officers who have suffered sexual harrassement to leave the country?


Quite simply no. However, i note the way that you are instantly referring to a woman being the victim of sexual harassment (granted, the majority of victims are). Sexual harassment and sexual discrimination are two distinct circumstances and should not be confused, harassment being a more physical abuse than discrimination.



Originally posted by BBTBE
They should either tell him to get on with his job or get out of our Country. He really has gone the whole hog; race, religious and Age. Pretty much proves he is after making the Met look bad or after the money.


I do agree that it is a little extreme to say get on with your job or leave the county, but this is the frustration that is caused by the equal rights policies.

Tarique Ghaffur has used all of the above reasons to get involved with the security arrangements for London 2012....it seems to me he is used to getting his own way, and if not throwing a tantrum.

If i am brutally honest, if i was a high ranking police officer and had to work with Tarique, i would be scared stiff....one wrong look / word and you are getting taken to court.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Nerevar

I do agree that it is a little extreme to say get on with your job or leave the county


And that was the entire basis of my intervention.

Theres a difference between discussing racial discrimination and resorting to it.

Thank you for understanding



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:19 AM
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Sorry, didn't have time to read the posts, only the OP.

Lots of people of all races are told to shut up and get on with their jobs, this is no different. So what if he is a Muslim??? Thats just the media wanting a big story, if they hadn't mentioned that fact nobody would care.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dan Tanna
You have got to be having a bloody laugh. he is the third most powerful Policeman in the Metropolitan Police. He has been promoted over other officers of all races, to the third spot.


Originally posted by ppskylight
They don't seem to realize that it is up to them to adapt to the country, not the country to them.

These two posts really hit the nail on the head for me. The fact that an Asian Muslim can immigrate to Britain and succeed so highly within an organisation as important and prestigious as the Police is a sterling example of how accomodating we indigenous Brits are. There may still be racists among us, but name one other country in the world as racially and religiously tolerant as Britain! Yet for all our (world-beating) politeness and compromise, what do we receive in return? Claims for £millions in racist 'damages', calls for Sharia Law, protests calling for our Queen to be beheaded, enormous benefit-swindling (see the Muslim families with 10+ children who receive more child support than if they went to work) etc. In short, we've given an inch and now they want a mile.

Nefermore - I understand your concerns. I'm opposed to racism, but I am in support of culture-based Nationalism. When a thread like this is so overwhelmingly full of frustration at the current state of Britain, which no doubt reflects the wider concerns of the public, you have to start taking the issue very seriously. We mustn't simply call the frustrated among us 'racist', 'backwards' and 'bigotted', because that's not going to solve the problem. Whether the frustrations of indigenous Brits are justified or not, without solving the problems we're just heading for troubled times. If we really want to avoid racial violence, division and tribalism, we need to make sure everyone's happy - not just the first and second generation immigrants, but the people to whom this piece of land belongs, the people whose ancestors BUILT this country for their children. We own this country. The government didn't ask us if we wanted it altered forever - ethnically and culturally, they just went ahead and sold the family silver behind our backs. And no, this isn't a racist point of view. I believe in homelands for all people and cultures equally - not a mish-mash of diluted cultures and coffee-coloured people.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 08:18 AM
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He should shut up and get on with his job, as all other concerned parties appear to have done so.

What a suprise he tried the race card.
Such an easy thing to do.

Unfortunately incidents like this serve only to lessen the impact and detract from real racist incidents.

The next time a Police officer encounters a real racist occurence will he be taken seriously?



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Cythraul
protests calling for our Queen to be beheaded


Could you provide a link? I don't doubt you specifically (after seeing the Teddy Bear Protests in Sudan, I completely believe they would say this), I'd just like to read about it for myself.


Originally posted by CythraulNefermore - I understand your concerns. I'm opposed to racism, but I am in support of culture-based Nationalism. When a thread like this is so overwhelmingly full of frustration at the current state of Britain, which no doubt reflects the wider concerns of the public, you have to start taking the issue very seriously. We mustn't simply call the frustrated among us 'racist', 'backwards' and 'bigotted', because that's not going to solve the problem. Whether the frustrations of indigenous Brits are justified or not, without solving the problems we're just heading for troubled times. If we really want to avoid racial violence, division and tribalism, we need to make sure everyone's happy - not just the first and second generation immigrants, but the people to whom this piece of land belongs, the people whose ancestors BUILT this country for their children. We own this country. The government didn't ask us if we wanted it altered forever - ethnically and culturally, they just went ahead and sold the family silver behind our backs. And no, this isn't a racist point of view. I believe in homelands for all people and cultures equally - not a mish-mash of diluted cultures and coffee-coloured people.


This is quite possibly the most sublime piece of writing I have ever seen.

I'd just like to add, I often hear "why not leave if it's a problem?", as a solution to this, which makes my blood boil.

1. I wouldn't want to move to say, Spain, and put this sort of pressure on the native population there and

2. I'd be a complete hypocrit if I were to simply follow their example.

The native population has nowhere else to go, the Muslims can get shipped back to their deserts. I'm happy with that.


On that note...does anyone know any second generation immigrant Muslims? I used to live in Coventry, and anyone familiar with that area will know it is unbelievably non-white.

This is a problem for the second generations, who are, in essence, white. They have western values, they don't adhere to religious dogma, they drink smoke and have premarital sex.

They are all lovely people, but tend to have significant parental issues, as the western lifestyle directly conflicts with the dogmatic attitudes of the parents. I've been in a relationship with a non-practising Muslim girl, and it was particularly trying. It was a shame, as I feel for her, rather than myself because of it. And her Brummie accent was also a sticking point! (joke, joke...)

Basically what I'm saying is, it wouldn't be fair to kick these people out of the country because they are British. They are not, however Muslim.

First generation immigrants need to do a bit of navel-gazing and ask themselves why they came to this country, and realise that if it's not for them, they can choose the Islamic theocracy of preference from a number of desert nations.

I'd recommend Dubai, myself.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 08:46 AM
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I think you will find that those recently arrested for the plot to kill Brown and Bliar are second or third generation Muslims as were most of the other's arrested for plooting terrorist acts here in the UK.

Yes, a lot of second and third generation immigrants have become quite 'westernized', but this has caused massive issues within Muslim communities with a reaction against the 'westernisation' with other second generation immigrants turning to extreme Islamic fundamentalism.

Another by product of this is the apparent rise in honour killings in these communities.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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No problem Neformore, my post was not intended as a jibe, more as a moot point.


How long has this county stood back and done nothing? The Government is scared to act for fear of being branded racist or fascist.

To me that is the warning signal. The moment a Government cannot act how it reasonably would to the benefit of the indigenous / majority population, we have a serious problem.

There will always be racists - of every colour, creed and culture - it is unfortunately, inherently natural to our species due to our territorial nature and there will always be those who can turn other people's fear of being branded a racist to their advantage - another trait of human nature.

Sadly, there is no solution to this issue. The world will continue to globalise with National boundaries / identity becoming a distant memory. (England was added as an afterthought to the EU's "map of Europe")

Where the hell is ENGLAND??

What has our Government done? Nothing. What will happen in the case of Tarique Ghaffur - probably a hefty payment to save the good name (ahem...) of the Met. Maybe a promotion for him in a couple of months. His behaviour should not be rewarded. Just because he cannot overrule his boss he has resorted to his tried and tested tactics. If i accused my boss of being racist because he reassigned me to another task, i would have to justify with precise and specific examples of this racism. I wonder if Mr Ghaffur will have to to this?

Probably not. It is a shame as this sort of blasé behaviour on display discredits those who genuinely suffer.

[edit on 30/8/2008 by Nerevar]



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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1. after ww2 when England whom was it that helped rebuild from the damages of war


2. may i ask whos ansesters? since england has been colonized by diffrent people. or is it the mix of them?

3. elaberate on selling the family silver?

4. if you look at the econemy immgrants are also a postive impact on it as they contribute to it (i know plenty of family owned businesses)

5. its not just immagrants that suck this country dry, if you look at the next generation thats been raised and their attitude, for example ask most teenage girls what would happen if they got pregnent and their answer sorted for life.

granted if you cant feed your family you shouldnt have more kids unless you plan to work for it.

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1. desert nations? you have any idea on the number arabs make up for muslims, i will tell you this its a small percentage


so saying to ship them back to their desert country is stupid and generalizing all muslims are arabs.

2. Parental issues? one good thing about muslim families your less likely to have your teenager getting pregnent or getting someone pregenet

3. we have black officers complain of racisum? kick them out aswell?
just because someone is Muslim and tehy complain of racisum its kick him out.

4. what makes you think an immagrant is going to be muslim in the first place?

more honor killing into a topic
does all topics on Muslims have to go down this path?

when it comes to sihk or hindu topics no one seems to blink an eye.

muslims under cover


[edit on 30-8-2008 by bodrul]



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 09:47 AM
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the goverment is to PC

1. they make things harder for immigrants as they bring up new regulations for them that ultimatly distance them from the same society they want to work in.

2. they come up with new laws and regulations thinking thats what people want and in the end just makes people more angry.

3. they dont speak to anyone they want to help (maybe a few) and generalize thats how everyone is and they know what needs to be done.

at the end of the day they make a killing on money as each new thing they bring in costs money and its tax that pays for it.


forgot to mention in my other post
i'm a first gen immagrant in england for 20 years (from 2 years of age)
i have paid enough tax since i started working at 16 and doing my sixth form and so on.

should i be kicked out aswell?



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
This is quite possibly the most sublime piece of writing I have ever seen.

Thank you, but...


Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Originally posted by Cythraul
protests calling for our Queen to be beheaded


Could you provide a link? I don't doubt you specifically (after seeing the Teddy Bear Protests in Sudan, I completely believe they would say this), I'd just like to read about it for myself.

..I'm afraid I may have been mistaken about this particular comment concerning the Queen. I think I managed to mix up protest banners stating "behead those who insult Islam" with the banner seen in the following picture:




posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Theodore Roosevelt was a wise man, we could all learn a lesson. I for one believe this and should be integrated into our immigration policy. Though this represents "American" quotes, I think it is also quite fitting for any country struggling with ethnic and racial situations.
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"Our principle in this matter should be absolutely simple. In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birthplace of origin. But this is predicted upon the man’s becoming in every fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, and American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding house; and we have room for but one soul [sic] loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.”



Roosevelt said he came to St. Louis to speak on Americanism – to speak of and condemn the use of the hyphen “whenever it represents an effort to form political parties along racial lines or to bring pressure to bear on parties and politicians, not for American purposes, but in the interest of some group of voters of a certain national origin or of the country from which they or their fathers came.

“America for Americans” for all Americans, whether they were born here or abroad, the former President declared that “the salvation of our people lies in having a nationalized and unified America, ready for the tremendous tasks of both war and peace.” “I appeal to all our citizens,” the colonel said, “no matter from what land their forefathers came, to keep this ever in mind, and to shun with scorn and contempt the sinister intriguers and mischief makers who would seek to divide them along lines of creed, or birthplace or of national origin.”

Theodore Roosevelt



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul
1. after ww2 when England whom was it that helped rebuild from the damages of war


And tell me - was Britain a 'Great' country already before the war? The answer is "yes"! What made Britain great? A culture that had been relatively unchanged since the arrival of the Saxons and Normans. These are the people that set the foundations for a great nation and their centuries of effort should not be compared to 50 years of multiculturalism.


Originally posted by bodrul
2. may i ask whos ansesters? since england has been colonized by diffrent people. or is it the mix of them?

Yes. My ancestors are Saxon, Celtic, Dutch, German, most likely Megalithic British and possibly Roman and Viking. Britain has been a prized nation for many different groups. Each group fought to protect the land but were partially or wholly overcome. The new and old groups merged. The only way you can possibly be using this point to strengthen your argument is by likening current immigration to colonization. Are you? Are Muslims from the middle-east colonizing Britain? If so, they should count themselves damn fortunate that they're not being met with any forms of violent defense from the British.


Originally posted by bodrul
3. elaberate on selling the family silver?

This goes back to the forged 'greatness' of Britain. Britain became a great, wealthy country through the labour of its inhabitants over the last 1500 years. That's an awful lot of 'family silver' that's been earned for the benefit of future generations. But was that wealth intended for the sons and daughters of those who earned it, or for distant strangers who decided to travel to the goldmine and take for themselves and their children back home? If I set a meal upon the beautifully carved table my Grandfather built, is the whole world entitled a place at it? If I offer them a place they may eat alongside me, but we Brits didn't offer our heritage and wealth up for the taking. We didn't ask for mosques and halal, synagogues and kosher, or Polish street signs (or Christian churches as far as I'm concerned). Our Government offered our wealth up for the taking. They are the ones benefitting from mass-immigration, not us. They sold the family silver.


Originally posted by bodrul
4. if you look at the econemy immgrants are also a postive impact on it as they contribute to it (i know plenty of family owned businesses)

Oh really? So our economy is thriving right now is it? We indigenous Brits are prospering more than ever, are we? When the Government justify their open borders by saying it's strengthening the economy, what they really mean but won't admit is that immigrants are prospering the elite - the small percentage of wealthy traitors who would sell their own heritage for a cheap work-force.


Originally posted by bodrul
5. its not just immagrants that suck this country dry, if you look at the next generation thats been raised and their attitude, for example ask most teenage girls what would happen if they got pregnent and their answer sorted for life.

I agree. There are plenty of Brits who lead a sorry example. The difference is that this is their homeland. We can't disown them and send them elsewhere because Britain is wholly responsible for them and the way they are. Immigrants however are not the responsibility of Britain and in my opinion, where an immigrant does not demonstrate an adherence to British law and order, and a willingness to act towards the benefit of British society, they should be deported immediately. Then, and only then, should we concentrate on bettering the British people who are sucking the country dry. After all, they have a right to the family silver. Their ancestors created a nation able to provide benefits for the misfortunate.


Originally posted by bodrul
when it comes to sihk or hindu topics no one seems to blink an eye.

muslims under cover


A fair point. Personal feelings aside (I dislike all the Abrahamic religions - including Christianity, more than Sikhism, Hinduism and Buddhism), if I ever see evidence of Sikhs or Hindus attempting to alter Britain, I will oppose them as strongly as I oppose Muslims engaging in such campaigns. The media is probably very guilty of focussing too strongly on the misdoings of Muslim immigrants, and not enough on the misdoings of other immigrant groups. I'm probably quite guilty of being suckered. But then again, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, birthrates among Muslims are the highest, and therefore British culture probably has more to fear from Islam than any other race, religion or creed.

I must state strongly that I recognise our own British Government's wrongdoing in this matter. I can't blame immigrants for wanting to come to this great country to prosper. It is the Government who are betraying us, and I honestly believe this is the single reason why race-riots have not occured - British people realise that it's not the immigrants who are to blame. Unfortunately, at breaking point, we'll have little ability to hold the Government accountable and frustration will turn to violent clashes. I just hope the Government makes amends before this point is reached.



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