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Botched Sting: Killed With Gun She Was Supposed to Buy

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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Botched Sting: Killed With Gun She Was Supposed to Buy


abcnews.go.com

No training. A botched drug sting. A dead 23-year-old college graduate.
But authorities in Tallahassee, Fla., have yet to take any action against the police responsible for an undercover operation that led to the death of Rachel Hoffman, a recent graduate of Florida State University.

Police Chief Dennis Jones, interviewed for tonight's 20/20 broadcast, says he does not accept that his department is in any way responsible for the death of the young woman.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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I am so angry about this, .. I just can't believe these peace officers, it's .. I don't even have words for this.

abcnews.go.com...

It is sooo beyond me why they even thought that this was a good idea, what 23 year old woman buys that combination of "illegal" substances?

REAL drug dealers are going to know something is up when some HIPPIE chick is asking for that type of order.

That police chief makes me sick & I cannot believe how nonchalant he is about it, I hope he has a hard time sleeping.

abcnews.go.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 01:25 PM
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I just watched that video. The Chief, and I use that term very loosely, should be fired. She had a lawyer of record. Seeing they intended to file charges if she did not indulge this idiots plan, the lawyer should have been advised of this sting operation. I'm willing to bet the parents file federal charges of violation of her miranda rights and also her civil rights. This is unconsionable abuse of this chiefs power. This is just another example of 'the war on drugs' gone completely crazy. By his own admission, they gave her cursory intructions what to do, knowing these two criminals where extremely violent. They would never put an officer in the same perdicament they did this poor young lady!!!

Zindo



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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Hey Chief - How many deaths have you caused by your criminal activities?

Have you investigated your own officers for selling drugs and guns?

Was she cutting into your profit margin CHIEF?????

I GOT AN OFFER FOR YOU CHIEF!!!!



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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I heard about this a few days ago. I have one recommendation for you all...

DO NOT PARTAKE IN ANYTHING THE POLICE PUT YOU UP TO!

In fact I as a general rule, will not talk to or co-operate with the cops. Her lawyer should have NEVER allowed this to happen. The idiot who came up with this idea obviously has NO IDEA what kind of power dope dealers have on the streets. When they have "drug" charges on someone and associate a little weed with coke, heroin, and guns.....there is a huge problem as they are VASTLY different things.

Score another casualty to"The War On Drugs".



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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If these cops arent CHARGED with crimes along with being fired then what else can be said, we live with gustapo now not police. They see so much death and sin they mostly lose sight of reality and think of us as just another bodybag or call to the coroner.

I just wonder how long it going to be with sotries like this that people start fighting back full tilt and with deadly force, because sometimes thats what it takes and its getting close to that imo.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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The shield on their cruisers reads, Trust Loyalty Commitment. So much for that idea. Gotta be awful loyal to get a small time drug user killed and then deny any wrong doing. I hope the good people of this community rise up and dump him in the gulf. Absolutly disgusting.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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My father is a drug dealer. He is in jail. He was brought into the business by an FBI agent.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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When are people going to wake up and realize this illusion of control is simply that.. an illusion, and those who perpetrate this illusion are taking advantage of those that believe in the system, this poor girl thought that everything was going to be fine after this and she could continue her life, loving and learning.

Please star and flag this if you are at all moved by it.

Let's not forget the scum that murdered her though, this is vital as well!

I envy people who believe they aren't effected by drugs, and it's my opinion you don't fight a problem with something that has become a monster of a problem itself (the war on drugs) I wish people would get their head on straight.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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This isn't exactly "breaking news" (the OP article was dated July 25, 2008), but this IS a sad story and I hope the officers who pushed this girl into doing this are punished for what they caused to happen.

First of all, the officers told her that they would make a deal with her.

Grand Jury To Probe Controversial Death of Police Informant


The police have said they offered Hoffman a deal: if she worked as a confidential informant, the state attorney would "decide how to balance your assistance with your crime."
*****SKIP*****
According to friends of Hoffman's in whom she confided, Block said, police told her she faced as much as four years in prison if she did not accept the offer.

"They told her 'it will all go away,' if you help us get some bad guys off the street," Block said.



The problem with this is that ONLY THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY can make "deals!



But State Attorney Willie Meggs has said his office was not informed of the deal, and it was inappropriate for police to offer such an arrangement without a prosecuting attorney involved.



Even using her, someone convicted of a drug charge, as an informant was something that the "drug court officials" frown upon.



Drug court officials have criticized the police's use of Hoffman as an informant. At the time they searched her house, Hoffman was in a court-ordered drug treatment program after police found 26 grams of marijuana in her car.

"It is my strong preference that the people who are in drug court not be around this kind of thing," state prosecutor Owen McCaul told the Tallahassee Democrat. And a local public defender told the paper there was an "informal practice" that people in drug court don't act as informants, "the thinking being that someone in drug court is trying to get away from drug activity and drug use."



Another thing that I think helped to bring about her death was that the officers didn't have her trying to buy these drugs from somebody she might have bought them from before, but strangers, people she didn't even know!



Attorney Block said Rachel had no prior relationship with the men, as he believes the police have suggested, but learned of them through an intermediary, who told her about them while she was assisting the police.



A stranger asking a drug dealer to buy 1,500 hits of ecstasy, some coc aine and a gun is ALWAYS going to cause alarm bells to go off in his head!

This just stinks to high heaven! The officers involved should be held accountable for putting her in the position they put her in that ended with her death!

[edit on 8/29/2008 by Keyhole]



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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Chief Jones ought to be looking for a new job.

This is beyond the pale...



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Chief Jones ought to be looking for a new job.

This is beyond the pale...


is there some way to have that accomplished? petitions? ..

we should stop making excuses for people in difficult positions simply because we don't want to do that job doesn't mean we don't know what is right and wrong.. and this is wrong wrong wrong, involving a young lady in firearms when all she did was dance, smoke some pot and take ecstasy, in my opinion hardly a "crime" as understood by myself, it is my belief that we should be able to control our states; people like her aren't killing people or involved in child pornography; it's those people the police should be labeling criminals, not young people learning more about themselves and their environment.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:47 AM
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Man I hard hardly read/watch this sort of story without getting so friggin angry I gotta go outside and have a cigarette. Cowboy cops that lie and decieve and because anything to do with drugs has no consequence for them, they just do whatever they like and can get away with it.

This is all the cops fault from beginning to end. We employ them to get rid of murderers and here they are using some innocent kid basically to walk into a den of violent crooks and then they take no responsibility for happened afterwards. And its not as easy as it sounds to think logically when a bunch of cops are telling you you'll do 4 years time in a violent jail unless you help them, unethical bastards!

If that girl was my sister/daughter/girlfriend/friend I'd be seeing red rage right now, and then let it simmer and then go after those cops so they never forget what they caused to happen! I gotta stop typing now and calm down! My thoughts go out to her, her family and friends...



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 05:59 AM
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This is sickening and sad.To look at this young girls face.She would have had no clue what she was getting into.
The people responsible for this need to be fired and arrested immediately.
This was a young stupid kid who smoked pot.
I want to go to that chiefs house when his little army isn't around him and see what he has to say.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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i hope chief jones meets with the same fate..



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:19 AM
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How can they not accept responsiblity? They made her do it. No coercion, no begging, they used threats to make her comply, and then threw her into a situation that she couldn't have been used to.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:20 AM
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im just supriced they even go that far over there, heck ,
they are the once that should be doing the buying and putting their life on the line , thats what they signed up for in all consent.
weak a** cowars , thats what they are

well atleast here where i live , they are not alowed to do things like that ,
its against the law.

either you have a valid lead and you work on it or you get a valid lead, legaly

cops selling drugs and busting you later is almost as sick as doctors that dont cure you but insted let the illness grow so they have jobs in the future,...

for some reason i sometimes understand irans way of handeling certain criminals or thouse other contries that chop your hands of or feet.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by zerbot565
im just supriced they even go that far over there, heck ,
they are the once that should be doing the buying and putting their life on the line , thats what they signed up for in all consent.
weak a** cowars , thats what they are

well atleast here where i live , they are not alowed to do things like that ,
its against the law.

either you have a valid lead and you work on it or you get a valid lead, legaly

cops selling drugs and busting you later is almost as sick as doctors that dont cure you but insted let the illness grow so they have jobs in the future,...

for some reason i sometimes understand irans way of handeling certain criminals or thouse other contries that chop your hands of or feet.


This is against the law.
She was on probation under drug court.
They had to get permission from the court.
By making her even contact known drug dealers they were aiding and abetting her breaking the court order.
Who eve suggested she do this, who ever was in charge of the operation.
Not only needs to be fired, but charged with contempt of court and thrown in jail.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:38 AM
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guess my articulation is abit off from time to time


what i meant to say was that fake drug busts where you have undercover and govermentaly bought drugs distributed by police is illigal here,

im just supriced by this juvenile way of handeling matters,

they ship it in and sell it and bust you , must be the laziest got damn job ive ever heard of ,

talk about intentionaly self furfilled idiotism

like a firefighter setting up fires so that he has work....



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 06:43 AM
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Given the required training and schooling that law enforcement personnel are required to receive, not to mention the years of combined experience of all involved, I find it hard to believe that not one had a lick of common sense enough to step up and point out the grand stupidity of their "plan".
Even I, with NO criminal justice training, schooling, or experience could have seen how dangerous this was.
That means they KNEW she would be in danger.
Which also means that somebody, presumably the so called Chief, was driving this, probably to boost his career, should "the plan" work out.
They let their greed override their common sense.
Kinda like criminals, eh?
Very sad, and unnecessary. I hope the police never use my children for their potential gain, like the Tallahassee Police did to that poor girl.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by tjack]



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