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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 02:58 PM by iamcamouflage
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Can you expain to me how Obama is a rock star? Does he play in a band? I really dont get this accusation from McCain supporters. Obama did not come
from a well to do family, he paid his way through college, he is known for having much fewer lobbyist connections than most politicians.
Do you call him a rock star because he is popular? Is being popular among constituents a bad thing.
If you are going to call him a rock star, I think you should explain why you call him that.
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 06:37 PM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by iamcamouflage
Can you expain to me how Obama is a rock star?
Obama's campaign is trying to play into the whole rock star image with the elaborate stage
sets, special effects, and choreographed shows of adoration by his supporters. All he need is a bass guitar, some high heel shoes, and a little
makeup, and he'd have the whole shebang!
Does he play in a band? I really dont get this accusation from McCain supporters.
They are literally referring to him being a rock star
only figuratively..
Obama did not come from a well to do family, he paid his way through college, he is known for having much fewer lobbyist connections than most
politicians.
Obama's whole "Ragged Dick" image is a crock. Obama's father was no goat herder but a British Civil Servant, his Grandmother
was the President of a bank, his mother probably never saw a Food Stamp in her life, and he and His wife both have high paying jobs. Michelle alone
earns $375,000/year. Why the Republican haven't called him out on this completely false biographical information, I don't know.. He's a liar.
Do you call him a rock star because he is popular? Is being popular among constituents a bad thing.
I call him a rock star because he
attempts to use all the same cheezy props to promote his image.
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reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 02:22 PM by Anonymous ATS
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I take it the Republicans run clean campaigns, then based on truth and understanding?
what freakin' planet have YOU been on for the past 8 years?
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reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 04:21 PM by OldMedic
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Yep, another "source", that doesn't know what it is talk about but will smear anyone, at any time, just to be smearing them.
In fact, she is under investigation by the Republican party in Alaska, because she fired a long term but very corrupt official. She has gone after
corruption, regardless of what party the person belongs to, That just isn't "done", and her onw paty "good ole boys" want to get her.
Why is it that nobody around here ever bothers to look beyond the freaky sources?????
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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:12 PM by Grafilthy
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She's a woman. Need I say more?
And Hitler was a man....
No, you need not say any more.
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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 08:53 PM by 4x4fun
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I'm curious to why you quoted me and the comments that followed.
Certainly you don't think she will order the killing of 6 million jews, I hope.
What is it you are suggesting?
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reply posted on 3-9-2008 @ 11:31 AM by Grafilthy
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My point is.....
Voting for someone JUST because they are say...a woman, or black,....or purple for that matter...sets the dangerous precedent that it doesn't matter
what a politician believes in as long as they look like you.
I am a white male. That does not give John McCain my vote automatically.
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reply posted on 3-9-2008 @ 05:08 PM by wutone
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I don't understand, I thought ATS people hated cops zapping people all over the place with taser guns.
When a cop gets fired for performance issues that includes tasing his 10 year old stepson, one would think that the forums would rejoice.
Oh and what kind of cop would tase a 10 year old just because a 10 year old asked him to do it? I mean aren't there stories of people dying because
of being hit with a taser?
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 03:26 AM by botiemaster
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If this is the best democrats can do digging up dirt... frankly, you're boned this election.
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 03:30 AM by botiemaster
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Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to post by 4x4fun
My point is.....
Voting for someone JUST because they are say...a woman, or black,....or purple for that matter...sets the dangerous precedent that it doesn't matter
what a politician believes in as long as they look like you.
I am a white male. That does not give John McCain my vote automatically. but for most people they will automatically vote for their party.
I don't see any 'change' with voting habit by the people who apparently want it so badly. But then that's people for you. They are quick to want
something, but if they have to work for that something, forget about it...
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 09:13 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Already we have ONE side of the story, there is more than meets the eye. Since she has removed a lot of corruption from her govt. she has probably
made alot of enemies. There may be more to the story than what the headline implies. I can't find any more comment on the internet from any trusted
news sources that would confirm this. So maybe a red herring from a disgruntled corrupt source trying to hurt her reputation.
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:09 PM by 4x4fun
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I've already come to this conclusion starting with Obama, so I can agree with your assessment.
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:37 PM by whaaa
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Originally posted by botiemaster
If this is the best democrats can do digging up dirt... frankly, you're boned this election.
I don't think so, and I'm not a democrat but a Goldwater Republican.
Among my female colleagues and a lot of them are GOP; not one of them is
going to vote for McCain/Palin. Why? Even most Republican women deep down are pro choice; especially when it comes to incest and rape. Palin just
sunk the GOPs chances with her stance on no abortion even with incest or rape.
Who's boned??
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:44 PM by KaginD
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Originally posted by 4x4fun
She's a woman. Need I say more?
Women are voters, my girl friends will vote for her, their daughters will vote for her, and their grandmothers will vote for her, just because she is
a woman.
Thank god that criminal Hillary is out or they'ed probably vote for her.
Wow  Who told you that??? Because she is a woman, that means that women will vote for her?? Maybe you should think that out a little more. If you
know people that would vote for someone strictly because of their sex, then you should all sit down and research a little.
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:55 PM by Cuntry
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Sarah had a right if not a duty to get that State Trooper fired. If you read of any cop acting like this one you would demand it. The public safety
commissioner had to be let go for failure to follow her orders. This is the kind of cop you see on Utube beating some motorist sensless.
Something I found at another forum. If this is true which I figure it is it shows why Palin is not worried about any investigation about the
trooper.
Politics: You'll be hearing a lot in coming weeks about Sarah Palin's "abuse of power" in trying to get a state cop fired. Here's the back story
you won't be hearing.
Palin's political enemies have a stink bomb set to go off late in October, just before the election. That's when voters will see fruits of a
"legislative investigation" into the charge that the governor fired Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan because he wouldn't get rid
of Mike Wooten, a state trooper and Palin's ex-brother-in-law.
We can see where this is headed. Palin will be found to have done nothing illegal in firing Monegan, since public safety commissioners serve at the
governor's pleasure. But the media will frame this case in vague but sinister terms: Think "abuse of power." It will also bury the back story that
explains why Palin was so concerned.
So here are some key facts to keep on file (for a full report on Wooten, see adn.com/front/story/476430.html). You may not be seeing much of them from
here on:
• Mike Wooten, 35, has been a trooper since 2001. He has been married and divorced four times. One of his marriages was to Palin's sister, Molly
McCann, with whom he had two children. That marriage ended in 2006. His behavior leading up to the divorce led Palin's and McCann's father, Chuck
Heath, to file a formal complaint about him to the state police.
• Heath and Sarah Palin, who was not yet governor, said that Wooten had threatened to kill Heath — telling McCann that Heath "would eat a f***ing
lead bullet" if he hired a lawyer for her. They also charged that he had used a Taser on his own 11-year-old stepson, had drunk beer in his patrol
car and had shot a cow moose without a license (the latter a crime in Alaska, where such licenses are not easy to come by).
• The state police investigated these charges and substantiated all of them. Col. Julia Grimes, then head of the Alaska State Troopers, suspended
Wooten for 10 days and wrote, "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity
occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession." She warned him he would be
fired if he didn't shape up. The troopers' union got the suspension cut to five days.
Now ask yourself this: If you were Sarah Palin and had such a revealing look at Mike Wooten, would you have wanted him on the force? Palin was acting
as any concerned citizen should after a close encounter with an unfit cop. If there's abuse of power in this story, it lies on the side of
bureaucrats and unions protecting officers whose behavior makes them a danger to the public.
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:58 PM by kozmo
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Partisan hacks!  It's a shame that they don't administer an IQ test before allowing people to vote. Too many people jumping for the bait on
both sides of the aisle and too few employing their grey matter in an attempt to see the forst for the trees. SCARY!
She's under investigation because she's pissed on the good ole boy network by routing out corruption IN HER OWN PARTY! She's made enemies and is
paying a political price for it. I seriously doubt there's anything more to it. I'm no McCain fan but I'm pretty sure that even HE isn't stupid
enough to pick a VP candidate with that type of skelton in her closet.
Instead of playing die-hard party faithful, why not open your eyes and employ your brains for a second before engaging the keyboard. The reality is
that whoever wins in November - the Dems or Repubs - the AMERICAN CITIZENS LOSE!!! There will be no "Change". There will be no "Unification".
There will be no "Turning Point" for America. There will only be 4 more years of the Corporations and the Israeli lobby AIPAC running the show.
WAKE UP, PEOPLE! This crap is only here to distract you and, sadly, it is working.
Baaaaaaah, baaaaaaaah, baaaaaah... like sheep to slaughter!
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 02:45 PM by 4x4fun
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I have, but some people will just refuse to listen to reason. Maybe you would like to give it a try, by sitting down with the voters who would rather
vote because of racial reasons and see how far you get.
Also, I take orders from no-one ok...
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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 06:38 PM by schrodingers dog
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Some breaking news on this:
"It's apparent to us that the governor or someone on her staff had direct access to his personnel file, as well as his workers' comp file, and
those are protected," said John Cyr, executive director of the Alaska Public Safety Employees Association.
cnn
"The individual inquiries taken by themselves are one thing. Many of these inquiries were completely appropriate; however, the serial nature of
the contacts understandably could be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction," she said.
But in papers requesting the probe be transferred to the personnel board, Palin's lawyer called Wooten a "rogue trooper" who threatened the
governor's family during a bitter divorce and custody battle. Thomas Van Flein, the governor's attorney, said it was appropriate to complain to the
head of the department about a trooper the Palins believed posed a threat to their security.
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