Prosecutor: Ohio mother put baby girl in microwave, page 2
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 01:40 AM by caballero
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Its horrible that you think that.

Why do you think a child a year old wouldnt recieve the same response?


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 02:21 AM by caballero
Though your argument for my avatar is convincing, your right he would have gotten the death sentence. That doesnt make me any less a pacifist though and he isnt real so it not like I have one of charlie manson on there.

Fake person fake crimes, a beautiful performance from a young actor who died before his times. Its more of a tribute, than me expressing built up animosity.

My stance is the same I wont Judge this woman because it only adds to the exsisting problems of the world. Killing her doesnt solve anything at all, it just cures our bloodthirst.

What do you think we are teaching our kids when we are so intolerant that we call for death as a punishment. What if this woman is severly mentally ill? That doesnt make the situation better but it also means she wasnt in her right mind when she did it.

We know nothing of the circumstances of the situation, only that which happened. How can we pass judgement so easily without asking if there is anything wrong in her head. No normal person could have done this crime, listening to the babies screams of pain and persisted I wouldnt want to meet the person that could do such a thing. So it leaves me asking if she is mentally stable.

Let me ask you this, if someone you knew did this lets say it was your mom, and you knew them and trusted them to be a very good likeable person, and they did it because they were suffering from psychosis or some mental illness that made them completely different. When people suffer from mental illnesses they can offen sperate into two different egos, basically making two completely different people. Would you have the same bloodthirsty vengence attitude?

I just cant get my head around the fact that you look down on people for killing people yet we want to kill people to teach other people that killing is wrong. Has this strategy worked so far?

[edit on 29-8-2008 by caballero]


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 02:26 AM by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by caballero
I wish that I could gather my self up to want her dead but I cant its not my place, or any of our place, to judge anyone else and we should all remember that. No matter how horrible the crime.


That line "who's place to judge?" has been bastardized to the point that it is now laughable wherever used. The only thing it originally meant was that man has no place to judge another human's soul. I'm not gonna sit here and say she's got a front row seat to watch the hellfire & brimstone while lucifer's minions shred her apart only to pick up the pieces and do it all over again ad infinitum. God's the only One who can judge a person's soul. We, however, have every right to see to it that her soul reaches His seat of judgement in a timely fashion. Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, give unto God that which is God's. Her Earthly body is not of Heaven or Hell, but belongs fully to this world and it is up to this world to decide what should be done with it.

Some crimes are so heinous that I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment to allow the criminal to live after conviction. Crimes against children fall into that category. Any woman (or man) who would even consider placing an infant into a microwave, let alone carrying the act out, has loudly and undeniably made a statement that her life is void and her purpose here on Earth is finished. I say that as a dad, as a man, and as a human being.

I have a 9 month old little girl & a 27 month old little boy snuggly sleeping in their rooms upstairs right now and it's taking all I have to not run up there, wake them up, and give them both a big hug and kiss on the forehead after reading this.

And, finally, once again I am drawn back to that overwhelming feeling that we're watching the fulfillment of Revelations right in front of our very eyes, with parents not just killing their own children, but doing it in the most evil, ungodly ways imaginable.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 02:34 AM by justamomma
reply to post by burdman30ott6



I rarely find myself disagreeing with what you say, and this most certainly is not an exception. After I read this story earlier, I DID go hug and kiss my babies while they were snugly sleeping in their rooms unaware of such evil deeds being committed on this planet. There is never a wrong time for doing so.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 02:36 AM by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by caballero
What do you think we are teaching our kids when we are so intolerant that we call for death as a punishment. What if this woman is severly mentally ill? That doesnt make the situation better but it also means she wasnt in her right mind when she did it.

We know nothing of the circumstances of the situation, only that which happened. How can we pass judgement so easily without asking if there is anything wrong in her head. No normal person could have done this crime, listening to the babies screams of pain and persisted I wouldnt want to meet the person that could do such a thing. So it leaves me asking if she is mentally stable.

Let me ask you this, if someone you knew did this lets say it was your mom, and you knew them and trusted them to be a very good likeable person, and they did it because they were suffering from psychosis or some mental illness that made them completely different. When people suffer from mental illnesses they can offen sperate into two different egos, basically making two completely different people. Would you have the same bloodthirsty vengence attitude?


For your first comment, it teaches our kids that if you kill innocent life you forfeit your own life and pay the ultimate price. I think it's a much more poigniant lesson and makes a much greater impact than spending the rest of your life in a 6X9 cell with a TV, 3 squares a day, and no responsibillities aside from being a good little prisoner.

As for the second question I quoted, if my own mother did this there wouldn't be a need for a trial because I would remove her from this world myself. You take care of your own in this world, at least in my humble experience and opinion. Now, that stance may violate the recent T&C stressing of no threats, but it isn't bullcrap, it's real talk. A "threat" indicates posturing and talking out your rear end to me, neither of which I am doing here. I could care less what psychosis or mental issues are present, clearly the argument can be made that any murderer has obvious mental issues. The question I feel must be answered is twofold:
1. Does the crime warrant forfeiture of the perpetrator's life? Anytime a child's life is taken or even their innocence destroyed, I believe, without any hesitation, the perpetrator has demonstrated they do not deserve to continue living in any capacity on Earth.
2. Is there any "productivity" the perpetrator can contribute to by simply being imprisoned for life? If she's insane enough to murder a baby, then she's clearly not going to be contributing much of anything to the betterment of mankind now, is she?


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 02:40 AM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by justamomma



Yeah, I'm finding myself getting a little too riled up at the idea she somehow deserves to live after this and combined with the sadness from just reading this and how late it is, I think it's a good time to call it a night. You made a great point, and I'm going to follow it and kiss a couple of toe-heads and make sure they're tucked in and my son has his teddy bear on my way to bed. Have a good one, justamomma.



reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 03:28 AM by no_pulse
quote]Originally posted by DYepes
We are killing her as post defense to the person who was deprived of the natural right and ability to do so.


Exactly! She should be deprived of her own life after taking an innocent life.


Originally posted by caballero

For your first comment, it teaches our kids that if you kill innocent life you forfeit your own life and pay the ultimate price. I think it's a much more poigniant lesson and makes a much greater impact than spending the rest of your life in a 6X9 cell with a TV, 3 squares a day, and no responsibillities aside from being a good little prisoner.

As for the second question I quoted, if my own mother did this there wouldn't be a need for a trial because I would remove her from this world myself. You take care of your own in this world, at least in my humble experience and opinion. Now, that stance may violate the recent T&C stressing of no threats, but it isn't bullcrap, it's real talk. A "threat" indicates posturing and talking out your rear end to me, neither of which I am doing here. I could care less what psychosis or mental issues are present, clearly the argument can be made that any murderer has obvious mental issues. The question I feel must be answered is twofold:
1. Does the crime warrant forfeiture of the perpetrator's life? Anytime a child's life is taken or even their innocence destroyed, I believe, without any hesitation, the perpetrator has demonstrated they do not deserve to continue living in any capacity on Earth.
2. Is there any "productivity" the perpetrator can contribute to by simply being imprisoned for life? If she's insane enough to murder a baby, then she's clearly not going to be contributing much of anything to the betterment of mankind now, is she?


I couldn't agree with you more. I'm so sick of murderers using the insanity plea! I honstely don't know who is worse, the murderers or those that represent them and get them off due to technicalites or insanity!

Who cares what state of mind she was in etc. The point is, she clearly put the baby in the microwave for the INTENT to harm and kill it! 'Nuff said! Society needs harsher laws and punishments. To teach people not to f**k around. I bet you if there were harsher punishments there would be less crime. What justice does it serve to the innocent child that was robbed of their live, that the murderer sits in a jail for their rest of their life with no responisblility for anything. Living the rest of your life in jail with free meals, tv, free education, free housing is such a punishment. That pretty much teaches society that hey go kill someone, you don't have to worry about bills, morgage, food etc. You get a free ride on life.

We need those death vans like china has. I bet people would smarten up real quick if those were rolling around.

The real tragedy is that murderers etc get more justice than the victims. Its the victims that get the punishment.

I love being Canadian, but our laws are far worse than the states. Its a haven here for criminals and terrorists. They get better treatment and more rights then law abiding Canadian citizens!

[edit on 8/29/2008 by no_pulse]
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