They say an infants life is so precious, yet monsters like this women get a trial? I don't care who you are or what kind of state of mind you are in, killing an innocent and defenseless child should warrant your death!

The judical system is so $#$#! Why should anyone like this get a trial at all? This is what angers me so much about humanity. I believe if you had the intent to kill another person, then you should be killed too. It rattles my brain how many countless murderers are set free on technicalities, or get paroled or even live the rest of their life in jail. Why should they even be allowed to exist after ending the life of another.

"eye for an eye and the world goes blind", right? At least justice would be served. And I hate when people say that executing the killer doesn't bring the victim back. At least they got what they deserved. They shouldn't be allowed to live after killing someone.

By killing this woman what do we prove to ourselves? that we are better than her?

It doesnt seem like that when we all are here blood thirsty and wanting vengence. I can understand it is a horrible disgusting crime, but it is not our place to take her life. Im not trying to praise god either, Im saying everything balances out.

This woman did a very disgusting horrible thing but killing NEVER EVER teaches anything. Peace is never formed from rivers of blood.

And I am a pacifist, I have made a vow to my self to never hurt or kill any living thing unless my families lives depended on it. I wouldnt do it to save myself just my loved ones.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by caballero]

However, if the child had been a few months younger no-one would be talking about this at all.

Not a one-liner.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by d60944]

Originally posted by caballero
By killing this woman what do we prove to ourselves? that we are better than her?

Uhm, works for me!

He is insinuating that noone would have given a rats if the child had been aborted during pregnancy. While that in itself may not have been true, another abortion would definetly not have made news anywhere in the world, unless it involved the mother crawling into the oven and baking herself with the baby.

We are proving that the child IS/WAS, and that we ackonwledge the childs natural right to self preservation which the child had no ability to enact at the time.

I wouldnt do it to save myself just my loved ones.

I am assuming from your statement that you would willingly die at the hands of another without fighting back? If you are such a pacifist, perhaps you should not idolize a fictional homicidial maniac with no remorse in your avatar? It just seems that for someone to take enough time to grab a picture of that character and utilize it for the world to see shows that person is a fan of watching senseless remorseless homicide.

I dont believe you would sit by and die during an agressors attack.

I feel the Joker earned a death setence, and so too does this woman.

Originally posted by caballero
By killing this woman what do we prove to ourselves? that we are better than her?

This woman did a very disgusting horrible thing but killing NEVER EVER teaches anything. Peace is never formed from rivers of blood.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by caballero]

This kind of mentality is exactly why violent crimes go up and murderers walk the street. Its like saying go ahead and kill someone. And killing her does teach something, do this type of horrible act and you die. Maybe crime and murders would go down if people got what they deserved. It teaches people that hey if you kill someone, then you too will die.

Its no wonder why the world is the way it is today. Justice is never served.

As shockingly disgusting this story is...

I think the google sponsored ads for microwaves in this story is quite dark humoured.

The punishment should fit the crime.

Anyway of getting an adult sized microwave and basting her on "low" for around two hours??

Fox.

(..maybe add some potatoes and pumpkin, a few cloves of garlic.)

I am just shocked that this woman is still alive and her child may have been three years old today had she not cooked her alive in 2005.

She had to sit in a closed box with a window, as her flesh began to blister and her organs were burning inside. Her eyes may very well have begun melting while she was alive, and her cries were dorwned out by the faint hum of the death tool.

I apologize for being so graphic, but Is that what it is going to to take? We may never be able to describe the exact extent of the pain this poor child felt as she was beign cooked as if some kind of pot roast, and were gonna sit here and defend the mothers right to live?

Though your argument for my avatar is convincing, your right he would have gotten the death sentence. That doesnt make me any less a pacifist though and he isnt real so it not like I have one of charlie manson on there.

Fake person fake crimes, a beautiful performance from a young actor who died before his times. Its more of a tribute, than me expressing built up animosity.

My stance is the same I wont Judge this woman because it only adds to the exsisting problems of the world. Killing her doesnt solve anything at all, it just cures our bloodthirst.

What do you think we are teaching our kids when we are so intolerant that we call for death as a punishment. What if this woman is severly mentally ill? That doesnt make the situation better but it also means she wasnt in her right mind when she did it.

We know nothing of the circumstances of the situation, only that which happened. How can we pass judgement so easily without asking if there is anything wrong in her head. No normal person could have done this crime, listening to the babies screams of pain and persisted I wouldnt want to meet the person that could do such a thing. So it leaves me asking if she is mentally stable.

Let me ask you this, if someone you knew did this lets say it was your mom, and you knew them and trusted them to be a very good likeable person, and they did it because they were suffering from psychosis or some mental illness that made them completely different. When people suffer from mental illnesses they can offen sperate into two different egos, basically making two completely different people. Would you have the same bloodthirsty vengence attitude?

I just cant get my head around the fact that you look down on people for killing people yet we want to kill people to teach other people that killing is wrong. Has this strategy worked so far?

[edit on 29-8-2008 by caballero]

Originally posted by caballero
I wish that I could gather my self up to want her dead but I cant its not my place, or any of our place, to judge anyone else and we should all remember that. No matter how horrible the crime.

That line "who's place to judge?" has been bastardized to the point that it is now laughable wherever used. The only thing it originally meant was that man has no place to judge another human's soul. I'm not gonna sit here and say she's got a front row seat to watch the hellfire & brimstone while lucifer's minions shred her apart only to pick up the pieces and do it all over again ad infinitum. God's the only One who can judge a person's soul. We, however, have every right to see to it that her soul reaches His seat of judgement in a timely fashion. Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, give unto God that which is God's. Her Earthly body is not of Heaven or Hell, but belongs fully to this world and it is up to this world to decide what should be done with it.

Some crimes are so heinous that I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment to allow the criminal to live after conviction. Crimes against children fall into that category. Any woman (or man) who would even consider placing an infant into a microwave, let alone carrying the act out, has loudly and undeniably made a statement that her life is void and her purpose here on Earth is finished. I say that as a dad, as a man, and as a human being.

I have a 9 month old little girl & a 27 month old little boy snuggly sleeping in their rooms upstairs right now and it's taking all I have to not run up there, wake them up, and give them both a big hug and kiss on the forehead after reading this.

And, finally, once again I am drawn back to that overwhelming feeling that we're watching the fulfillment of Revelations right in front of our very eyes, with parents not just killing their own children, but doing it in the most evil, ungodly ways imaginable.

We are killing her as post defense to the person who was deprived of the natural right and ability to do so.

I don't know if anyone has ever shot at you, or tried to stab you (I have been stabbed, and shot at but not shot), but the whole pacifist thing flies out of the window when your natural instincts kick in. It is virtually automated. Part of our brain that is kind of on hold until it recognizes a threat to its existence. You almost cant help it. You may try and seek cover if you are unarmed. If you are armed, typically the automated response is a counter-attack.

You cannot escape your natural instincts, especially if you have not already encountered them in action.

Lets look at it liek this. When a thief takes money, he may be ordered to compensate the victim for the value of the loss.

In this case, the murderer stole a life. The victim did not have the means for their instinct of self-preservation to defend herself. therefore, as justice, we will compensate the victim in the manner that may have prevented this if the victim did have the means by assuming the criminal would have been killed, and therefore we shall go ahead and kill her.

Originally posted by caballero
What do you think we are teaching our kids when we are so intolerant that we call for death as a punishment. What if this woman is severly mentally ill? That doesnt make the situation better but it also means she wasnt in her right mind when she did it.

We know nothing of the circumstances of the situation, only that which happened. How can we pass judgement so easily without asking if there is anything wrong in her head. No normal person could have done this crime, listening to the babies screams of pain and persisted I wouldnt want to meet the person that could do such a thing. So it leaves me asking if she is mentally stable.

Let me ask you this, if someone you knew did this lets say it was your mom, and you knew them and trusted them to be a very good likeable person, and they did it because they were suffering from psychosis or some mental illness that made them completely different. When people suffer from mental illnesses they can offen sperate into two different egos, basically making two completely different people. Would you have the same bloodthirsty vengence attitude?

For your first comment, it teaches our kids that if you kill innocent life you forfeit your own life and pay the ultimate price. I think it's a much more poigniant lesson and makes a much greater impact than spending the rest of your life in a 6X9 cell with a TV, 3 squares a day, and no responsibillities aside from being a good little prisoner.

As for the second question I quoted, if my own mother did this there wouldn't be a need for a trial because I would remove her from this world myself. You take care of your own in this world, at least in my humble experience and opinion. Now, that stance may violate the recent T&C stressing of no threats, but it isn't bullcrap, it's real talk. A "threat" indicates posturing and talking out your rear end to me, neither of which I am doing here. I could care less what psychosis or mental issues are present, clearly the argument can be made that any murderer has obvious mental issues. The question I feel must be answered is twofold:
1. Does the crime warrant forfeiture of the perpetrator's life? Anytime a child's life is taken or even their innocence destroyed, I believe, without any hesitation, the perpetrator has demonstrated they do not deserve to continue living in any capacity on Earth.
2. Is there any "productivity" the perpetrator can contribute to by simply being imprisoned for life? If she's insane enough to murder a baby, then she's clearly not going to be contributing much of anything to the betterment of mankind now, is she?

I am not talking about gods judgement. I believe in a balance of peace and chaos. Killing her conflicts with my belief of the balance. I wont take the balance into my owns hands and I wont support others taking it into theirs. We have no place in the universe to take the balance of the universe into our hands.

I can understand killing for survival, but what I will never understand and will never agree with is killing to teach a lesson. It has never before worked ever in history. Killing has only made problems go from bad to worse. In the days of kings, kings would kill those who opposed him guess what happend to the king, those who opposed him rose up and killed him. Then they killed those who were still loyal to king, then those loyal to old king rose up and killed new king. So on. For as long as we have been on this earth we have killed to show others to behave to follow the rules, NEVER IN OUR HISTORY has killing as a lesson worked NEVER.

So why should killing for a lesson be any more effective now? Why? Maybe if we stopped treating people like they were subhuman they would act like a normal human would act and they wouldnt do these things. Why cant we just be above something we all look down on?

quote]Originally posted by DYepes
We are killing her as post defense to the person who was deprived of the natural right and ability to do so.


Exactly! She should be deprived of her own life after taking an innocent life.

Originally posted by caballero

For your first comment, it teaches our kids that if you kill innocent life you forfeit your own life and pay the ultimate price. I think it's a much more poigniant lesson and makes a much greater impact than spending the rest of your life in a 6X9 cell with a TV, 3 squares a day, and no responsibillities aside from being a good little prisoner.

As for the second question I quoted, if my own mother did this there wouldn't be a need for a trial because I would remove her from this world myself. You take care of your own in this world, at least in my humble experience and opinion. Now, that stance may violate the recent T&C stressing of no threats, but it isn't bullcrap, it's real talk. A "threat" indicates posturing and talking out your rear end to me, neither of which I am doing here. I could care less what psychosis or mental issues are present, clearly the argument can be made that any murderer has obvious mental issues. The question I feel must be answered is twofold:
1. Does the crime warrant forfeiture of the perpetrator's life? Anytime a child's life is taken or even their innocence destroyed, I believe, without any hesitation, the perpetrator has demonstrated they do not deserve to continue living in any capacity on Earth.
2. Is there any "productivity" the perpetrator can contribute to by simply being imprisoned for life? If she's insane enough to murder a baby, then she's clearly not going to be contributing much of anything to the betterment of mankind now, is she?

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm so sick of murderers using the insanity plea! I honstely don't know who is worse, the murderers or those that represent them and get them off due to technicalites or insanity!

Who cares what state of mind she was in etc. The point is, she clearly put the baby in the microwave for the INTENT to harm and kill it! 'Nuff said! Society needs harsher laws and punishments. To teach people not to f**k around. I bet you if there were harsher punishments there would be less crime. What justice does it serve to the innocent child that was robbed of their live, that the murderer sits in a jail for their rest of their life with no responisblility for anything. Living the rest of your life in jail with free meals, tv, free education, free housing is such a punishment. That pretty much teaches society that hey go kill someone, you don't have to worry about bills, morgage, food etc. You get a free ride on life.

We need those death vans like china has. I bet people would smarten up real quick if those were rolling around.

The real tragedy is that murderers etc get more justice than the victims. Its the victims that get the punishment.

I love being Canadian, but our laws are far worse than the states. Its a haven here for criminals and terrorists. They get better treatment and more rights then law abiding Canadian citizens!

[edit on 8/29/2008 by no_pulse]

I am merely curious what she thought when she cooked that baby in the owen? People like this should be placed into precise psychological analysis, and then use the data to sieve out such personalities from society and put into somekind of "re-educational centers" where their minds would be whitewashed and reprogrammed! I know this sounds like utopia, but I think it would be better solution than just throw them into prisons or even let them run loose.

Disgusting TBH.

-v

Find one big ass microwave, show it live on international TV and cook the mother aswell.

Who wants to start raising the funds to build a huge microwave? Anyone? I'll chip in ten dollars. Might be fun to play the Hamster Dance while she fries.*

*If you don't get the joke, go to joe cartoons website and look for gerbil in microwave.