Kaaba the big black cube in the center of mecca??, page 3
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reply posted on 7-11-2008 @ 10:51 PM by Sahabi
reply to post by karl 12



I really wish you people that claim Allah is a Moon God would do more investigating than just Google the top 5 search results to Allah + Moon. Then you would see that the argument that Allah is the Pagan Arab Moon God has no credibility and is pure Anti-Islamic Propaganda.

  1. The actual name for the Pagan Arab Moon God is "Hubal"
  2. Prophet Muhammad destroyed every Pagan Idol Statue at the Ka'bah, INCLUDING the statue of the Moon God Hubal
  3. The Qur'an (Koran) clearly states:

    "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." [41:37]

    "They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage." [2:189]



reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 08:33 AM by Jinni
Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to
post by karl 12



I really wish you people that claim Allah is a Moon God would do more investigating than just Google the top 5 search results to Allah + Moon. Then you would see that the argument that Allah is the Pagan Arab Moon God has no credibility and is pure Anti-Islamic Propaganda.

  1. The actual name for the Pagan Arab Moon God is "Hubal"
  2. Prophet Muhammad destroyed every Pagan Idol Statue at the Ka'bah, INCLUDING the statue of the Moon God Hubal
  3. The Qur'an (Koran) clearly states:

    "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." [41:37]

    "They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage." [2:189]



Many thanks for that info! I think it clears up a lot of rubbish info being posted.

I'm amazed where people dig up such nonsense is earlier posts - Moongod!



reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 01:34 PM by karl 12
reply to post by Sahabi



Thanks for the reply,there is some interesting discussion about the subject here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I suppose all religions make wild,outlandish,supernatural claims that (conveniently) cannot be proven-but,relgious agendas and conditioned propaganda aside,the pagan moon god concept sounded far more feasible and plausible than the alternative.
Has it been unequivocably proven false?


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 01:40 PM by karl 12
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
when i look at the image i posted above, i don't see a black stone. I see, possibly, 5 small pieces embedded in a reddish material.

I would be interested to see an image of what the stone is supposed to look like.

Ok, edit to add:

This is a drawing i found of it:





I would be interested to know what it looked like before being broken.

[edit on 7-11-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]


I am being quite serious when I ask should non beleivers (kuffars) be even looking at this image.
Given the furore that ensued when someone depicted an image of mohammed and the fact that non muslims are absolutely forbidden to enter Mecca on pain of a years imprisonment and deportation,is it not a fair question?


reply posted on 8-11-2008 @ 03:30 PM by Jinni
Originally posted by karl 12
reply to
post by Sahabi



Thanks for the reply,there is some interesting discussion about the subject here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I suppose all religions make wild,outlandish,supernatural claims that (conveniently) cannot be proven-but,relgious agendas and conditioned propaganda aside,the pagan moon god concept sounded far more feasible and plausible than the alternative.
Has it been unequivocably proven false?




Look, it's quite simple really.

Allah is just the arabic word for God. Muslims worship the supreme being commonly called Allah\God\etc etc..

If you ask an english Muslim he will say he believes in God (the english word). You get the drift.

Many cultures and religions have different names but they actually refer to the same being.

There are actually 99 names of God in islam which you can find here:

www.sufism.org...

The insane discussion about moon-god becomes irrelevent.



reply posted on 9-11-2008 @ 08:55 AM by Sahabi

karl 12
Has it been unequivocably proven false?

For the sake of staying on topic, let me just say "Yes" it is a proven fact that "Hubal" is the Pagan Arab Moon God, and Not "Allah." The name "Hubal" is written in the places dedicated to moon god worship, and Allah is not.

Also, if you look at the OFFICIAL Arabic Translated version of the Holy Bible, the word "Allah" is used in every instance instead of "God." If there were such a conspiracy or discrepancy with "Allah" I'm very sure the Christians, Catholics, and Jews would not allow "Allah" to be included in the Bible.



karl 12

I am being quite serious when I ask should non beleivers (kuffars) be even looking at this image.
Given the furore that ensued when someone depicted an image of mohammed and the fact that non muslims are absolutely forbidden to enter Mecca on pain of a years imprisonment and deportation,is it not a fair question?

There is no harm in images or pictures to be taken of the black stone, the Ka'bah, or Mecca, or no harm in non-Muslims looking at the images. The reason that Muslims got so upset about artistic depictions of Muhammad is because Muhammad personally forbid any images or portraits of himself. The reason he forbid any depiction of himself is to ensure people worship God and do not worship him. He did not want his image to be revered or worshiped, and he did not want people to imagine him while they were praying to God.



bigfatfurrytexan

Do you know WHY non-muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca?

When Muhammad and the Muslim army conquered Mecca, he immediately forbid non-Muslims from entering. The reason is because Mecca is an extremely holy place, so much so that Muslims must undergo ritual shavings and cleanings before coming near the Ka'bah. Often time when people of other faiths enter areas deemed as holy by other people, they do not have as much a respect for the place as the believer would.

Also, in the very beginning of the Ka'bah's creation by Abraham and Ishmael, the building was a "church" dedicated to God. Look at what the Pagan Arabs did to it. They desecrated it with idol worship. Keeping non-Muslims out of Mecca and away from the Ka'bah is a way to ensure that idol worship will not occur again in the area.


reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 02:01 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin



Well technically you're right. But "Pagan" is a Christian word meaning "Not Christian" (It does not mean what the new agers think it means, no matter how many Scott Cunningham books you've read).

They also don't "worship" the thing. It is a religious relic no more worshipped than the Arc of the Covenant would be if it were made public today.



reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 03:07 PM by Hanslune
reply to post by Gazrok



Yep, that channel is shown in many Muslim countries, it does have some other shows on it too during Ramadam

The Kaaba webcam

This was a favorite of some of my students. In one of the student run business we set up onegroup of students had this running 24/7 on a monitor.
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