I'm on the fence about this one though, I must admit. Gary is a UK citizen yes, but it was US Military systems he was hacking - messing around with
THEIR stuff, THEIR data.
While I think that maximum possible sentence is overly harsh, I think he probably should be tried in the United States, he was stupid enough to talk
to an employee through WordPad, he was as good as being on the premises in my book.
[edit on 31-8-2008 by Smugallo]
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 01:10 PM by Balez
reply to post by paul76
What crime exactly?
Visiting a wide open server, for anyone to connect to?
I guess we all are guilty then....
Well, judging from you post, you're not exactly doing a great job yourself. Why is his opinion ignorant? He's backed up with facts. Gary is guilty of committing a crime. He got caught, now he's going to do the time.
What crime exactly?
Visiting a wide open server, for anyone to connect to?
I guess we all are guilty then....
reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 03:05 PM by paul76
Originally posted by Balez
reply to post by paul76
Well, judging from you post, you're not exactly doing a great job yourself. Why is his opinion ignorant? He's backed up with facts. Gary is guilty of committing a crime. He got caught, now he's going to do the time.
What crime exactly?
Visiting a wide open server, for anyone to connect to?
I guess we all are guilty then....
Look, if my bank forgot to close their doors for the night and I walked in and stole £50 K, I'll still be committing a crime. He knew what he was doing was wrong. Yes, their security was crap, but that doesn't make a difference.
reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 03:51 PM by Balez
reply to post by paul76
As far as i can remember there were no theft involved in this...
Now the difference here and that about the bank reference is that this happened on the internet, if it is accessible you can enter it, no matter who owns what or where it is.
It would be ONE big difference if he dialed these servers up, IF they were in a closed LAN, they weren't.
These servers were accessible by any one who wanted to enter them.
There weren't any hacking involved even, he used a remote acces program to access these servers.
The whole thing is quite silly, really, One man is getting extradited for this, when in all probability several hundred different people have done the same thing on their servers.
This is a show of force, and revenge, not to get the 'guilty' as they try and get it too look like, if so, alot more people would face the same thing.
Lets agree on disagre
Look, if my bank forgot to close their doors for the night and I walked in and stole £50 K, I'll still be committing a crime. He knew what he was doing was wrong. Yes, their security was crap, but that doesn't make a difference.
As far as i can remember there were no theft involved in this...
Now the difference here and that about the bank reference is that this happened on the internet, if it is accessible you can enter it, no matter who owns what or where it is.
It would be ONE big difference if he dialed these servers up, IF they were in a closed LAN, they weren't.
These servers were accessible by any one who wanted to enter them.
There weren't any hacking involved even, he used a remote acces program to access these servers.
The whole thing is quite silly, really, One man is getting extradited for this, when in all probability several hundred different people have done the same thing on their servers.
This is a show of force, and revenge, not to get the 'guilty' as they try and get it too look like, if so, alot more people would face the same thing.
Lets agree on disagre
reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 10:02 AM by nomadrush
There is some interesting news of something happening tomorrow Tuesday Sept 2nd) on Gary's website at www.freegary.org.uk...
Check it out
Ross
Check it out
Ross
reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 03:03 AM by Kryties
reply to post by Shamanator
Our argument can be summed up by asking this question:
If Gary was an American citizen and lived in America and hacked the UK government's computers, would you be angry that the UK government wanted to extradite him and have him "burn in hell"" as your prosecutors so delicately put it?
Our argument can be summed up by asking this question:
If Gary was an American citizen and lived in America and hacked the UK government's computers, would you be angry that the UK government wanted to extradite him and have him "burn in hell"" as your prosecutors so delicately put it?
reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 04:49 AM by nomadrush
reply to post by Shamanator
The reason he has not been formerly charged in the UK is probably because here you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty and wouldn't face court unless the Crown Prosecution Service felt they had a strong enough case, which obviously they didn't!
When the Brits came and set up camp in the US we brought those laws with us, fairness, freedom of speech and democracy. However in the USA now your are guilty of just about anything you may be charged with until either a "plea bargain" takes place or until the solicitors realise you have run out of money!
My guest on Saturday's live TV show was arrested in the USA after being attacked by a taxi driver, and my guest was the one charged as he wasn't an American citizen! (Apparently the taxi driver managed to lodge his side of the story with the Police in Texas first!) He was drained of around US$30,000 in legal costs before then being deported home to the UK. They accused HIM of attacking the taxi driver!! (I know this man well and there is no way that is in his character) That's how "fair" the US justice service is, and he talked about this at length in Saturday's programme whilst discussing the McKinnon case.
Your one sided views Mr Shamanator would probably change 100% if it was a US Citizen being threatened with extradition to the UK. Please remember that we are also very patriotic and we also protect our own, and we have no intention of ever becoming that additional state that the USA would love!
Ross
[edit on 2-9-2008 by nomadrush]
The reason he has not been formerly charged in the UK is probably because here you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty and wouldn't face court unless the Crown Prosecution Service felt they had a strong enough case, which obviously they didn't!
When the Brits came and set up camp in the US we brought those laws with us, fairness, freedom of speech and democracy. However in the USA now your are guilty of just about anything you may be charged with until either a "plea bargain" takes place or until the solicitors realise you have run out of money!
My guest on Saturday's live TV show was arrested in the USA after being attacked by a taxi driver, and my guest was the one charged as he wasn't an American citizen! (Apparently the taxi driver managed to lodge his side of the story with the Police in Texas first!) He was drained of around US$30,000 in legal costs before then being deported home to the UK. They accused HIM of attacking the taxi driver!! (I know this man well and there is no way that is in his character) That's how "fair" the US justice service is, and he talked about this at length in Saturday's programme whilst discussing the McKinnon case.
Your one sided views Mr Shamanator would probably change 100% if it was a US Citizen being threatened with extradition to the UK. Please remember that we are also very patriotic and we also protect our own, and we have no intention of ever becoming that additional state that the USA would love!
Ross
[edit on 2-9-2008 by nomadrush]
reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 07:48 AM by dodgygeeza
reply to post by nomadrush
Well said.
Shamanator, do you have the American flag tatooed on your forehead? I'm sure most British people would disagree with your previous post. You're a pretty brainwashed individual if you think that this man deserves the death penalty, when i'm sure 99% of the members on this website would take a peak if given the opportunity to do so - just like Gary did. This is a conspiracy site after all isn't it? Then again you have proven that you'll take anything that you're told by your government at face value.
We should be glad there are people like Gary around who have the balls to actually try to find out what is going on behind the scenes. I doubt Gary was stupid enough to go into a government workstation and deliberately cause as much damage as he could - it's obviously going to get back to him sooner or later.
How convienient that he has now been labelled a "terrorist" - just like anyone who dares to even think for themselves.
edit: After reading through your previous posts, your sole purpose here must be to wind people up the wrong way - every post you make is totally against what this site aims to stop. Your like the anti-ATS.
I can probably predict what you will say next, because frankly I'v met 100 of you. You all have the same line of thinking, given to you by the people that control you.
[edit on 2-9-2008 by dodgygeeza]
Well said.
Shamanator, do you have the American flag tatooed on your forehead? I'm sure most British people would disagree with your previous post. You're a pretty brainwashed individual if you think that this man deserves the death penalty, when i'm sure 99% of the members on this website would take a peak if given the opportunity to do so - just like Gary did. This is a conspiracy site after all isn't it? Then again you have proven that you'll take anything that you're told by your government at face value.
We should be glad there are people like Gary around who have the balls to actually try to find out what is going on behind the scenes. I doubt Gary was stupid enough to go into a government workstation and deliberately cause as much damage as he could - it's obviously going to get back to him sooner or later.
How convienient that he has now been labelled a "terrorist" - just like anyone who dares to even think for themselves.
edit: After reading through your previous posts, your sole purpose here must be to wind people up the wrong way - every post you make is totally against what this site aims to stop. Your like the anti-ATS.
I can probably predict what you will say next, because frankly I'v met 100 of you. You all have the same line of thinking, given to you by the people that control you.
[edit on 2-9-2008 by dodgygeeza]
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