Originally posted by kramtronix

Originally posted by goose
Ever since 911 and I've gotten over the shock little things have been nagging me...

Let me help you with the math on why it's not "adding up" in your mind.

8 years of Clinton neglecting foreign policy, failing to catch Osama bin Laden, and hand cuffing the CIA with the Torecelli B.S. equals an attack no one saw coming.

Except for John O'Neal, of course. But the liberals in the New York FBI office weren't hearing him.

Too bad.

Ironic as it is, Mr. O'Neal died in the September 11th attacks.

Of course it's all Clintons fault. But nooo, Bush didn't know anything about it at all. That's right, when something goes wrong just blame it on the liberals. (/sarcasm)

Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Ya, I hate clinton because of his imcompetence, but there are a lot of grey areas when it comes to the intellegence bush had before the event.

Originally posted by kramtronix

Originally posted by goose
Ever since 911 and I've gotten over the shock little things have been nagging me...

Let me help you with the math on why it's not "adding up" in your mind.

8 years of Clinton neglecting foreign policy, failing to catch Osama bin Laden, and hand cuffing the CIA with the Torecelli B.S. equals an attack no one saw coming.

Except for John O'Neal, of course. But the liberals in the New York FBI office weren't hearing him.

Too bad.

Ironic as it is, Mr. O'Neal died in the September 11th attacks.

OK so you blame Clinton for everything, but Clinton was not President during 911, he did not hang out at a school listening to kids read stories while the towers came down and whether you like it or not the Bush administration had ample warnng and ignored it. We got caught with our pants down so to speak because nobody in the Bush administration had sense enough to pull them up. Then again maybe we did not, maybe somebody within our own gov., brought these events about for their own reasons. Now about those cell phone calls, there were 13 calls made, but its virtually impossible to make 1 call from a plane with an altitude over 10,000 feet.

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Better yet. Can anyone tell me why the Bush administration (you know, the appointed administration) have failed to find Bin Laden. And when they failed to find him, his name disappeared from the mouths of this same administration and was replaced with Saddam.

Stop using a former administration to justify the inexcusable and criminal behavior of the current administration...

Originally posted by kramtronix
Come on, buddy... Deep down, you know it's the truth. Clinton not only had an oppurtunity to catch bin Laden, but seriously payed no attention to him. He was more concerned with White House interns and killing Vince Foster, I guess.

Can anyone tell me why the Clinton administration failed to find bin Laden, or at least make him run for his life after his organization's aiding in the hiding of Ramzi Usef in 1993?

Bush Sr had a chance to finish off Saddam in 90'. Well? Could have saved us several hundred young soldier's lives along with the waste of the "no fly zone" and UN sanctions.

I guess once the oil flow was secure, leaving a tyranny in power could be considered a small "oversight."




[Edited on 20-3-2004 by Facefirst]

[Edited on 20-3-2004 by Facefirst]

I'm still stuck on the fact that 13 calls were made when its virtually impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane over 10,000 feet in the air and if it was all planned why on earth did they do the calls, did they not think that someone would realize its impossible or just figure that the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

Originally posted by goose
the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

try talking to somebody about your inconsitencies with 9/11. not somebody on ATS but just somebody. watch how quickly they will get angry and not want to discuss it with you. iv tried but it seems most people have already made their decisions.

Originally posted by goose
I'm still stuck on the fact that 13 calls were made when its virtually impossible to make a cell phone call from a plane over 10,000 feet in the air and if it was all planned why on earth did they do the calls, did they not think that someone would realize its impossible or just figure that the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

Do you have any proof that these planes were above 10,000 feet when the calls were made?

My guess is that they spent a lot of time below 10,000 feet so that they could find the targets, and so that they would be harder to spot.

Originally posted by Facefirst
Bush Sr had a chance to finish off Saddam in 90'. Well?

One word: Congress

Apples and oranges, bucko.

Goose,
Once again I will state that the planes were more than likely below 10,000 feet for two reasons.

1. To find the targets
2. To make themselves harder to be seen from above

As far as the 5-7 G terminal turn crap, where in the world did you hear that from? Unless the pilots were doing the M-1 manuever they would have passed out in the turn.

[Edited on 23/3/04 by COOL HAND]

Originally posted by ihatethisplace

Originally posted by goose
the majority of American people are stupid and will believe whatever they are told.

try talking to somebody about your inconsitencies with 9/11. not somebody on ATS but just somebody. watch how quickly they will get angry and not want to discuss it with you. iv tried but it seems most people have already made their decisions.

This is so true! Most people won't even take the time to think about it, much less listen. It doesn't matter how much sense something makes or doesn't make, they'd rather just avoid it altogether, right or wrong.