Are we saying dinosaurs in Mexico a couple thousand(not hundreds of millions) of years ago? Oh boy that's gotta shake a few cages. Maybe they were time travellers

While i pretty much agree with most of the assessments made above (possibly excepting the "stylized birds/insects"...that is something that is still a "maybe" for me), I do take exception to the above.

You are correct that there isn't much that we have found that looks like those "dino's". But one does look surprisingly similar to a stegasaurus.

And it would not discount unfound species of dinosaur.

But you pretty much summed it up. Another example of strangeness with stone/mineral is "Stuckie", the dog that got petrified in a tree stump.

As well, with you being a fellow Texan you are likely familiar with the boot found near Ozona with a petrified foot found in it.

In regards to the Acambaro figurines. This talk origins site covers the controversy very well

The figurines

if i may try to suppose a little...


If the figurines really were based on actual dinosaurs, why have no dinosaur fossils been found in the Acambaro region? Where is the missing link that would support evolution? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Why did no other Mexican cultures record any dinosaurs? OK, so maybe it is further south to some degree...but the Ica Stones are another recording of said dinosaurs

What caused the dinosaurs to disappear in the last 1,100 years? what caused the Dodo or Kiwi to disappear? A population in decline 3000 years ago may have gone extinct 1100 years ago. Or perhaps it hasn't, yet. There ARE legends of prehistoric creatures in less accessible regions of South and Central America (the giant sloth comes to mind).

So, i would be interested to hear what you think they were representing.

4 out of 5 are proven to be hoaxs... I'm not sure about the map, but I read about all those before. A guy paid people of a village in Mexico to bring him them scultures of dinosaurs. Of course they were going to make them up.

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Very Kewl post Suzie! I had seen all of these before except the axe. Star for you!

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if you could provide some dcoumentation to support this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Regarding the dinosaurs...


Source [2] [3]

This information wasn't terribly difficult to find.

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Well, it's legit. I believe a similar one was just found as well. But accompanying link gives you the latest on the mechanism and what they are finding out about its uses. Seriously creepy avatar you have, btw.
www.antikythera-mechanism.gr...

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Excellent, thank you Onion. It is good to hear that it wasn't hard to find. I would hate to see someone end up with carpal tunnel from backing a claim.

My point was more that ATS generally follows a rule that if you make a claim, you provide support so that it can be verified. Call it "standards", call it "courtesy"...whatever, but it is generally what is done.

Howdy Texas



Hans: We are straying from the subject, but that is easily answer there is no missing link. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" so I guess we can believe in the tooth fairy, snow white and unicorns too! That phrase is overly used to coverup the lack of any evidence and to overlay evidence of a contra-indication for many things.




Hans: The Ica stones are also faked, rather badly faked.


Hans: Yes legends but no evidence of dinosaurs in Mexico into historic times



Hans: Smart people getting money from a naive archaeologist.

No, seriously... it doesn't. It looks like a cartoon stegosaur. Nothing like the real beast (which can't move its neck much (lots of cervical ribs that acted like rebar in concrete in the neck area), huge fat body, TINY head.)


I would. Seriously.


Another concretion, and the bones are those of a pig or cow and not human (seriously... look at them and then look at a human skeleton. Nothing like human.)

I remember that someone had looked up the types of books available to children in the area and one of the Mexican text books of that era had some rather poor drawings of Dinosaurs in it, for something like the fifth grade or somesuch.

Needless to say this was before TV cartoons could be seen.

Probably a stretch to say they were using those as a model but then Hapgood thought they were real! So one can believe almost anything.

Texas just to clear up something, is your point of debate from a science view point and looking at possibilities or are you arguing from a basis in a belief of creationism?

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"ancient" is "past 800 years or so (pre-Columbian). This is a traditional art form and wasn't just made for 50 years and then abandoned. These designs continue in other forms ... not just jewelry.

And yes, they have cultural abstractions. You might not recognize some of the forms for what they are.

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I am Buddhist by faith. I think that "creationism" is a badly defined theory, and that at its heart "creationism" involves all manner of mechanisms, including evolution (or genetic drift). It is a means to an end, i guess.

I am not wanting to seem argumentative. Just wanting to challenge your ideas a little to see what comes out of it. That is all. A learning tool, if you will.

Byrd - i didn't really bother to look at the bones to see if they were human or not. I just assumed that it was concretion at work, and some poor old cowboy somehow lost his foot post mortem (otherwise i am sure it would not lay unclaimed, as the boot would have had some kind of value to a cowboy). I agree that many of our OOPARTS are related to either poorly described or poorly understood processes.

I disagree that the Ica Stones are faked, however, due to the logistics of how they could have been created so quickly if they ARE fake. Perhaps you can disillusion this concept.

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Howdy Texan

Challenging is always good! Your questions are well based. I asked about the basis of your questioning as it makes it easier to understand where you were coming from and to answer them.



I would add "hoaxes" to your otherwise excellent desription of the state of ooparts.

ICA .......I'll let Byrd answer that one.

I'm afraid I'm still not convinced. I don't have a better explanation (aliens!) but they lack the characteristics of fish or birds, to my eye.

The link in the OP does not work for me (maybe because I am in Europe?).
Could someone please post the pics for me?

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Howdy CC

In cases of "looks like" its best to go to the next level. ie what other evidence do we have that aircraft were flying around in that area in 'x' year.

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The Nazca lines? Vimana's?

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