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reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 10:15 PM by Hanslune
In regards to the Acambaro figurines. This talk origins site covers the controversy very well

The figurines


If authentic, the figurines imply even more archeological anomalies:

If the figurines really were based on actual dinosaurs, why have no dinosaur fossils been found in the Acambaro region?

Why did no other Mexican cultures record any dinosaurs?

What caused the dinosaurs to disappear in the last 1,100 years?





reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 12:42 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by Hanslune
In regards to the Acambaro figurines. This talk origins site covers the controversy very well

The figurines


If authentic, the figurines imply even more archeological anomalies:

If the figurines really were based on actual dinosaurs, why have no dinosaur fossils been found in the Acambaro region?

Why did no other Mexican cultures record any dinosaurs?

What caused the dinosaurs to disappear in the last 1,100 years?




if i may try to suppose a little...


If the figurines really were based on actual dinosaurs, why have no dinosaur fossils been found in the Acambaro region? Where is the missing link that would support evolution? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Why did no other Mexican cultures record any dinosaurs? OK, so maybe it is further south to some degree...but the Ica Stones are another recording of said dinosaurs

What caused the dinosaurs to disappear in the last 1,100 years? what caused the Dodo or Kiwi to disappear? A population in decline 3000 years ago may have gone extinct 1100 years ago. Or perhaps it hasn't, yet. There ARE legends of prehistoric creatures in less accessible regions of South and Central America (the giant sloth comes to mind).

So, i would be interested to hear what you think they were representing.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 01:11 AM by space cadet
reply to post by suziwong



Very Kewl post Suzie! I had seen all of these before except the axe. Star for you!


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 08:33 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by alundaio



if you could provide some dcoumentation to support this, it would be greatly appreciated.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 08:43 AM by OnionCloud
Regarding the dinosaurs...


Circumstances of the Figures' “Excavation”

The very circumstances from which the figures first appeared are cited as dubious. Julsrud claims that he paid the farmers for every figure they brought him, which would have given the farmers motive to create their own figures and disguise them as ancient artifacts.

Condition of the Figures and the excavation

According to DiPeso, the surface of the figures was practically brand new and they showed no characteristic evidence of having been in the ground for at least 1500 years. If they were authentic artifacts, they should be scratched and marred from the rocky soil, which is characteristic of artifacts found in that area of Mexico. Also, while people were digging up the artifacts, DiPeso observed them crush through authentic artifacts to reach the figures, yet none of the figures themselves displayed any marks of damage. Other evidence includes fresh manure and fingerprints found under the ground, and black fill from other strata which was discovered in sterile red earth, all of which is evidence of tampering with the site.

The Number of Figures and their Condition

The sheer number of perfect figures found is cited as evidence for a hoax. Over 32,000 figures were found, and all of them in perfect condition except for a few that were cleanly broken, perhaps to create the illusion of antiquity. If these were authentic antiquities, they would not be preserved with such perfection in such an inhospitable environment. Pottery is almost always uncovered as fragments called sherds; nowhere have 32,000 unblemished ceramics been uncovered with none of them in fragments and all of them in perfect condition (cleanly broken in two does not count as fragments).

Evidence?

Don Patton has provided what he claims to be accurate radiocarbon dates for the figures ranging from 6500 years to 1500 years.The laboratories that produced these dates have stated that they were inconclusive, but Dennis Swift claims that once the laboratories discovered what they were dating, they retracted their original dates. The claim is strange because radiocarbon dating can only be performed on items which possess carbon: living or formerly living things, of which pottery or ceramic is neither (see radiocarbon dating).

Source [2] [3]

This information wasn't terribly difficult to find.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by OnionCloud]



reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 08:55 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by truthseekerpeacemaker
what about the Antikythera Mechanism

strange aritfact


Well, it's legit. I believe a similar one was just found as well. But accompanying link gives you the latest on the mechanism and what they are finding out about its uses. Seriously creepy avatar you have, btw.
www.antikythera-mechanism.gr...


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 09:42 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Excellent, thank you Onion. It is good to hear that it wasn't hard to find. I would hate to see someone end up with carpal tunnel from backing a claim.

My point was more that ATS generally follows a rule that if you make a claim, you provide support so that it can be verified. Call it "standards", call it "courtesy"...whatever, but it is generally what is done.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 11:38 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
reply to
post by Byrd



I have to say I agree with you on all but point 1. I thought these artifacts were ancient? Or at least, pre-airplane, anyway, how could we have spoken to the makers if so?

Also, if those are "birds" they are either terrible artists or very, very abstract.


"ancient" is "past 800 years or so (pre-Columbian). This is a traditional art form and wasn't just made for 50 years and then abandoned. These designs continue in other forms ... not just jewelry.

And yes, they have cultural abstractions. You might not recognize some of the forms for what they are.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 01:02 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Hanslune



I am Buddhist by faith. I think that "creationism" is a badly defined theory, and that at its heart "creationism" involves all manner of mechanisms, including evolution (or genetic drift). It is a means to an end, i guess.

I am not wanting to seem argumentative. Just wanting to challenge your ideas a little to see what comes out of it. That is all. A learning tool, if you will.

Byrd - i didn't really bother to look at the bones to see if they were human or not. I just assumed that it was concretion at work, and some poor old cowboy somehow lost his foot post mortem (otherwise i am sure it would not lay unclaimed, as the boot would have had some kind of value to a cowboy). I agree that many of our OOPARTS are related to either poorly described or poorly understood processes.

I disagree that the Ica Stones are faked, however, due to the logistics of how they could have been created so quickly if they ARE fake. Perhaps you can disillusion this concept.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]



reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 07:12 AM by C.C.Benjamin
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
reply to
post by Byrd



I have to say I agree with you on all but point 1. I thought these artifacts were ancient? Or at least, pre-airplane, anyway, how could we have spoken to the makers if so?

Also, if those are "birds" they are either terrible artists or very, very abstract.


"ancient" is "past 800 years or so (pre-Columbian). This is a traditional art form and wasn't just made for 50 years and then abandoned. These designs continue in other forms ... not just jewelry.

And yes, they have cultural abstractions. You might not recognize some of the forms for what they are.


I'm afraid I'm still not convinced. I don't have a better explanation (aliens!) but they lack the characteristics of fish or birds, to my eye.


reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 10:50 AM by Hanslune
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin



Howdy CC

In cases of "looks like" its best to go to the next level. ie what other evidence do we have that aircraft were flying around in that area in 'x' year.


reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 12:43 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Hanslune



The Nazca lines? Vimana's?

[edit on 1-9-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]
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