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Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Your sounds you deputized China? Even Hu Jingtao has refused to support Russia when he were in SCO-EC , it is clearly the number are not on your side in China.

Nowadays, FQs are not the majority of our society.




俄罗斯和西方对抗升级 俄陷空前孤立
俄罗斯8月26日正式承认格鲁吉亚两个寻求分离地区—南奥塞梯与阿布哈兹独立,遭西方国家一致谴责。 英国外交大臣米利班德警告俄国不要开始一场新的冷战。法国外长说,欧盟正在考虑制裁俄罗斯。    俄国总统梅德韦杰夫表示,俄罗斯不想冷战,但也不害怕冷战。俄国指责北约在黑海集结舰艇,俄国海军已出动一 艘导弹巡洋舰和另外两艘军舰前往黑海。俄国还谴责美国重新武装格鲁吉亚。目前,俄国已冻结与北约的军事关系 。    俄的盟友—上海合作组织成员国出于自身利益考虑,在格鲁吉亚问题上尽量同俄保持距离。上海合作组织峰会8月28 日发表的最后新闻公报没有支持俄罗斯承认南奥塞梯和阿布哈兹独立的决定。到目前为止,除了被西方列入恐怖组 织黑名单的巴勒斯坦哈马斯组织外,还没有一个国家公开站出来表态支持俄罗斯的举动。莫斯科当局陷空前孤立。 欧盟拟制裁 工业七国谴责    俄罗斯和格鲁吉亚于本月初爆发冲突,原因是格鲁吉亚派兵试图重新收回自1990年代就已成为事实上独立的南奥塞 和阿布哈兹地区。俄罗斯军队迅速出兵击退了格鲁吉亚军队,并一路推进到格鲁吉亚境内。后在法国的调停下, 、格签署了停火协议,俄罗斯从格鲁吉亚撤军。    俄罗斯26日正式承认格鲁吉亚南奥塞梯和阿布哈兹独立后,美国指出俄罗斯的举动是“对格鲁吉亚领土完整的侵犯 ,“不符合国际法”。 美国表示在此问题上会支持格鲁吉亚。    法国目前担任欧盟轮值主席。法国外交部长库甚内星期四(28日)说,欧盟正在考虑对俄罗斯实施制裁。法国外长 说,俄罗斯将会重复在格鲁吉亚的经验,俄国的下一个目标将可能是乌克兰和摩尔多瓦。    英国外交大臣米利班德表示,西方国家应该重新检查它们与俄国的关系,他认为,俄罗斯在格鲁吉亚的行动是莫斯 科企图重新划定该地区版图。德国总理梅克尔亦严词批评俄罗斯,她再次要求俄国遵守协议,立刻从格鲁吉亚撤军 。    9月1日,欧洲联盟27国元首将在布鲁塞尔召开特别高峰会,讨论格鲁吉亚危机。    星期四(8月28日),英、美、德、法、加拿大、日本以及意大利等七个世界主要发达国家的外长也发表了联合声明 ,谴责俄罗斯承认南奥塞梯以及阿布哈兹独立,侵犯了格鲁吉亚的主权和领土的完整。 邻国反应不一 上合组织中立    俄罗斯的一些邻国,如:乌克兰、阿塞拜疆、波罗的海国家、波兰等也纷纷谴责了俄罗斯承认南奥塞梯和阿布哈兹 独立。白俄罗斯则保持沉默。    波兰外长表示,欧洲要比俄罗斯富裕十倍。欧洲再加上美国要比俄罗斯富裕20倍,所以俄罗斯将再次输掉它同西方 对抗。因应俄罗斯入侵格鲁吉亚,波兰最近与美国正式签订了协议,同意美国在波兰部署飞弹防御系统。    俄罗斯总统梅德韦杰夫28日在上海合作组织峰会上争取亚洲盟友的支持。不过,上海合作组织峰会发表 最后公报仅表示关注有关局势,呼吁所有各方通过对话解决分歧。分析认为,因为中国本身面临台湾、西藏、新 等问题,对支持分离势力独立非常敏感。另一方面,上海合作组织其他成员国都不想因为支持俄罗斯而得罪 西方。


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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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go to sina and xinhua forums to check it out,much more people support russia,you can count the number of posts.as for the chinese government,it does not clearly supports each side and praises russia for its peacekeeping effort and indirectly criticizes geogia using force first.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:56 AM
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checked major chinese forums and the majority of chinese netizens firmly support russian stance


Wow, a big surprise!
China tightly controls the internet. It is virtually impossible for dissidents to post anything in China. There is plenty that the US can do to China. First, they could stop buying your lead-posioned toys and contaminated food, as well as your slave-made substandard clothing, and start making things in the US again. Oh, and as far as China "owning" real estate in the US, we could always nationalize it. Your economy heavily depends on US imports for it's survival.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by haidian
i checked most major chinese forums and it is very clear the majority of chinese netizens are on russian side

Could you give any link or quote as I did?


Originally posted by haidian
as for the difference bw kosovo and South Ossetia,basically there is no difference bt them,

Red and Green are completely same in your eyes. People can talk color with blinders.


Originally posted by haidian
what happened in kosovo can alos happen in South Ossetia.they are the same issue.

"can" What does "can" here mean? happened or not happened? occured or didn't ocur?


Originally posted by haidian
here people can see clearly the double standard.during that conflict,us bombed chinese embassy to belgrade,that was a barbaric violation of the un charter.

Do you need I come to remind you of that girl who stand in front of US embassy to against US has already married to Amerrican

Concerning to standard, if objects are different, how can judge it with same standard?


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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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uh,do it ,dont just talk.you've been talking about that for a decade,didnt you feel a little big bored?and here we are talking about georgia and russia.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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forum.xinhuanet.com...

so many posts and threads talking about that ,i dont have to post any single one,but clear majority support russia.

i dont see what marriage has to do with this topic,that's very childish idea.and you got it wrong too,not the girl standing in front of the american embassy.

and it is totally normal that a color blinder maybe think normal people are color blinders,uh.

forum.xinhuanet.com...

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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by haidian
go to sina and xinhua forums to check it out,much more people support russia,you can count the number of posts.as for the chinese government,it does not clearly supports each side and praises russia for its peacekeeping effort and indirectly criticizes geogia using force first.

Xinhua web is a huge website, please give link directly.
Russia is seeking support, esp. China's support in SCO-EC in which Georgia has no right to present, but beijing still refused to support Mokva publicly and writably...... one who stupid enough is able to see out what does that mean.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by haidian
forum.xinhuanet.com...

so many posts and threads talking about that ,i dont have to post any single one,but clear majority support russia.

i dont see what marriage has to do with this topic,that's very childish idea.and you got it wrong too,not the girl standing in front of the american embassy.

and it is totally normal that a color blinder maybe think normal people are color blinders,uh.

forum.xinhuanet.com...

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The link you given contains too many threads, could you please insert original words?

BTW, yes, not only a girl, but many students who came to US companies to send application for job as soon as they leave there.


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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:21 AM
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DUSHANBE: China and four Central Asian nations voiced support on Thursday for Russia’s “active role” in resolving the conflict in Georgia, as Moscow moved to deflect criticism from the West. China and the others “support the active role of Russia in assisting in peace and cooperation in the region,” the six countries said in a statement at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation regional summit.


it is not the right time to openly take sides,but china is clearly prone to russian side so do chinese public opinions.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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try this one,but there are tons of links you can check for public opinions.
forum.xinhuanet.com...



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Where will the UK stand in all of this?



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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and try this sina message board

comment4.news.sina.com.cn...



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by haidian



DUSHANBE: China and four Central Asian nations voiced support on Thursday for Russia’s “active role” in resolving the conflict in Georgia, as Moscow moved to deflect criticism from the West. China and the others “support the active role of Russia in assisting in peace and cooperation in the region,” the six countries said in a statement at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation regional summit.


it is not the right time to openly take sides,but china is clearly prone to russian side so do chinese public opinions.


“support the active role of Russia in assisting in peace and cooperation in the region,” please read it carefully, in which the word is active not action. active here means constructive. I'm suspicious of could you understand English? Both of us are not took English as native langue, but I can read and understand clearly at least.

HERE IS QUOTED FROM THE BIGGEST POPULAR WEB

会后,西方媒体纷纷发表了“俄罗斯寻求中国支持”的报道。法新社报道称,克里姆林宫的发言人高调地宣布 总统将向中国领导人通报南奥塞梯和阿布哈兹的局势。但中国外交部发言人会后只是表示对俄方行动的“关注” 不过,他们也避免对俄罗斯进行批评,称中方希望看到“对话”和“协商”。 英国《金融时报》28日文章称,对俄罗斯来说,能赢得中国的支持将是最理想的。不过,报道引用国际政治问题专 穆克因的话说,中国因为自身的原因,所以“承认阿布哈兹和南奥塞梯对北京来说是不可能的” 。
SOURCE
The orange word said that it is impossible to admit Abkhaz and SOssetia for Beijing because of Taiwan problem and separatist in Tibet.



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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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we will see,the report can be interpreted in many ways,but china will surely not support any actions against russia.as a permament member of the security concil,china will block any proposals against russia.that is a certain thing.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 10:53 AM
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I bet we will see abstention not against.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Just a thot; if arming Russia's enemies is a declaration of war, then by the same description, China has armed the terrorists, and declared war on the US. Russia's strong ally has declared war on us, and they are under obligation to join China in that war. We did not start the war, they already did.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by haidian
we will see,the report can be interpreted in many ways,but china will surely not support any actions against russia.as a permament member of the security concil,china will block any proposals against russia.that is a certain thing.

Your wrong china is very concerned about break away republics and wont want to set a precedence. Keep in mind if China backs Russia then that makes it ok for Taiwan and Mongolia to establish there own autonomy without Chinese control. The Chinese will stay very quite on this and would abstain in any vote on security council and will not block anything.



posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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the west actually is always supporting the taiwan and tibetan separitists,no matter what china does,they will never change their policy.even they dont openly say that,they always do.russia has never ever supported taiwan and tibetan separatists,even during the time when two country's relations hit bottom low in late 1960s.
as for declaration of war,america armed many china's enemies from the very first day of prc.if you have to say arming enemy is the act of declaration of war,the war has long started and never ended.



posted on Aug, 30 2008 @ 01:51 AM
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Very interesting, what purpose west supporting Tibet for? Chinese went to west call themselves Tang Ren (Tang people) and explain they came from Tang. Sadly When history goes back to Tang, Tibet factually was a country, merely was a subsidiary country of Tang empire, which caused alot of misinterpretation. Western has never known exactly how Chinese history developed as well as most of Chinese has never know exactly how did the history of west country develop.
Concerning Taiwan, neither EU nor US admit Taiwan is an independent country now, maybe Chinese pretend to US supporting Taiwan independent, but key here is not whether Taiwan could be an independent country. "Any key to a great story not is who or what but why". So the key here is why, why US support Taiwan to be independent? To weaken China? Do you think American are so stupid that they don't know internal cause is the main determination of everything changing? Therefor, supporting an independent Taiwan gives no real benefit to US, moreover Taiwan is near China mainland not US, furthermore, there is no abundant resources in Taiwan island and culture, language in Taiwan is more closer to China not US.

If you knew a little bit historical knowledge, you would know why US refused when Mexico is going to be a part of US. So US certainly is not a country which covet others territory like Russia always did! Set back ten thousands steps, even US want Taiwan to be independent, but Russia separated MONGOLIA which area is several ten times of TAIWAN, no mention Russia had plundered millions of kilometer square territory from China before they separate Mongolia. I as Chinese will never forget there is no Sachalin island but Kuye island in this earth.The Kuye Island is our Chinese biggest island. Each genuine Chinese mustn't forget this, except Chinese traitor.



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