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Why isn't CNN or BBC showing this? The footage is clearly available and not manipulated. Why is Westernern media only showing one side of the war and footage of Georgian suffering.
Originally posted by undermind
The former Soviet Union's attitude towards Georgia was driven by Stalin who considered physical elimination (murder) as a tool of communist revolution.
Originally posted by undermind
From August 29 to September 5, 1924, the Soviet security officer in Georgia, Lavrentiy Beria, working in close collaboration with Stalin, executed 12,578 people, with over 20,000 exiled to Siberia.
Originally posted by undermind
During the Soviet era, Soviet Russians migrated to Georgia where they formed their own ethnic enclaves which were at the same time centres of soviet communist power. Examples: Abkhazia, South Ossetia
Originally posted by undermind
The disintegration of the USSR leaves many of these formerly ruling elite populations as sources of conflict.
Originally posted by undermind
Constant war with Georgia has led to the Autonomous South Ossetian Russians government becoming increasingly corrupt and relying on organised crime, including people, drugs and weapons trafficking and counterfieting as a source of revenue.
Originally posted by undermind
What we have here is an attempt by Georgia – with imagined direct/indirect support from the US, Israel – to blitzkrieg South Ossetia, bringing an end to a conflict that has been going for many years, basically using ethnic cleansing measures.
Originally posted by undermind
Russia ordered 150 tanks, APCs, self proprlled howitsers and MLRSs of its 58th Army into Ossetia, reclaimed Tskhinvali and the rest of South Oseetia.
Originally posted by undermind
Because there are two sides and foreign correspondents are expensive.
Originally posted by undermind
From August 29 to September 5, 1924, the Soviet security officer in Georgia, Lavrentiy Beria, working in close collaboration with Stalin, executed 12,578 people, with over 20,000 exiled to Siberia.
Maloy:
Beria killed millions of people in his career - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarus - everyone. What point are you trying to prove? That the two most notorious leaders of the Soviet Union were Georgian?
Originally posted by undermind
During the Soviet era, Soviet Russians migrated to Georgia where they formed their own ethnic enclaves which were at the same time centres of soviet communist power. Examples: Abkhazia, South Ossetia
Maloy:
False. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not populated by Russian - they are populated and always were populated by local Caucasus ethnicities: Abkhazians and Ossetins. There are nearly no ethnical Russians in Georgia or the breakaway regions.
Originally posted by undermind
The disintegration of the USSR leaves many of these formerly ruling elite populations as sources of conflict.
Maloy:
False.
Originally posted by undermind
Constant war with Georgia has led to the Autonomous South Ossetian Russians government becoming increasingly corrupt and relying on organised crime, including people, drugs and weapons trafficking and counterfieting as a source of revenue.
Maloy:
Proof of this?
E. POLITICAL-ECONOMIC CAUSES OF
CONFLICT
The frozen nature of the conflict had provided a
fertile ground for development of illegal business --
smuggling, drug trafficking, kidnapping and arms
trading. The Transcaucasian highway connecting
Georgia to Russia goes through South Ossetia and
allegedly serves as a key smuggling route.98 Due to
the unresolved status of South Ossetia, neither
Georgia nor South Ossetia could agree on the
establishment of a system of customs
During this time there was an absence of central control over the region.[5] The Ergneti market on the outskirts of Tskhinvali was a large trade hub through which smuggling lost Georgia significant revenue.[5] This trade increased support for the breakaway Kokoity regime.[5] The unresolved conflict encouraged development of such illegal activities as kidnapping, drug-trafficking and arms trading.[6]
Originally posted by undermind
Not at all. I'm providing historical background of Russian actions in Georgia, which have been and continue to be premised on Stalin's notions.
Originally posted by undermind
On the contrary, South Ossetia has 70% Russian citizenship.
Originally posted by undermind
In the 1950s peak, Russians made up over 20% of the population of Abkhazia.
Originally posted by undermind
They were given special autonomy as an autonomous oblast, as part of Stalin's divide and rule tactics.
Originally posted by undermind
E. POLITICAL-ECONOMIC CAUSES OF
CONFLICT
The frozen nature of the conflict had provided a
fertile ground for development of illegal business --
smuggling, drug trafficking, kidnapping and arms
trading. The Transcaucasian highway connecting
Georgia to Russia goes through South Ossetia and
allegedly serves as a key smuggling route.98 Due to
the unresolved status of South Ossetia, neither
Georgia nor South Ossetia could agree on the
establishment of a system of customs
...
Originally posted by Justice11
Cluster bombs are a banned weapon.
Originally posted by Justice11
Also Russia launched internet cyber attacks at least a month before the invasion against the internet structure of a sovereign nation.
Originally posted by Justice11
Id consider that an act of war on Russia's part.
Originally posted by Justice11
Russia continues to be belligerent and has violated the cease-fire by not pulling out of Georgia and altering the deal.
Originally posted by Justice11
I told you they cant be trusted at all.
Originally posted by Justice11
Now puny Putin blames us?What a crackpot.
Originally posted by undermind
...The former Soviet Union's attitude towards Georgia was driven by Stalin who considered physical elimination (murder) as a tool of communist revolution. ...
Originally posted by maloy
It is not a genocide, and I never said it is. But that is only because Georgia had no time to carry out ethnic cleansing operations, which they likely had planned.
Originally posted by maloy
Had Russia not entered the war, Georgia would have started to clean the area of separatists - and in a place like S. Ossetia you simply can't tell the rebels from civilians much of the time.
Originally posted by maloy
And what the hell do mass graves tell you?
Originally posted by maloy
So Russia very likely prevented an actual genocide here. But the point is not the genocide - it is that this was a senseless and ruthless attack on innocent civilians in the midst of a ceasefire negotiations.
Originally posted by maloy
Do you know what Grad is? It's an equivalent of carpet bombing - there is no precision to speak of. Grad's original intention is to kill off infantry and destroy infrastructure in a large scale area. There was no infantry in Tskhinvalli - and the only infrastructure is civilian.
Originally posted by undermind
Not at all. I'm providing historical background of Russian actions in Georgia, which have been and continue to be premised on Stalin's notions.
Originally posted by Mdv2
It doesn't matter whether you have said this or not. The Russian regime said Georgian troops committed a genocide.
Originally posted by Mdv2
That's a very strong claim they have so far failed to back up with evidence.
Originally posted by Mdv2
It doesn't surprise me that Russian leaders do not mention the word 'genocide' anymore these days. Oh... and assuming they would have carried out ethnic cleansing if.... doesn't impress me much. Let's stick with factual information.
Originally posted by maloy
Like Russia did in Chechnya you mean?
Originally posted by maloy
You see, I am not the one claiming a genocide occurred in Georgia. When Serbia attacked former Yugoslavian countries real evidence was available of concentration camps alike those in World War II and mass graves of killed Muslim people.
Originally posted by maloy
It's fine with me if Russia wants to compare all their acts to NATO's acts against Serbia, but so far no evidence exists Georgia committed a genocide whereas Serbia did commit genocide in the years before the NATO attack took place.
Originally posted by maloy
Again, assumptions don't bring us anywere. The point is very much genocide. If a genocide has actually taken place, Russia has rightfully intervened.
Originally posted by maloy
The general opinion of many countries would have been much different
then it is now.
Originally posted by maloy
In reality, Russia just wanted to punish Georgia and waited for the right moment.
Originally posted by maloy
Seriously Maloy, you cannot justify Russia's actions in Chechnya while condemning Georgian actions in S.O.
Originally posted by maloy
Which is something terrible and justifiable, however, that doesn't give Russia the right to occupy Georgian territory.
Originally posted by maloy
Particularly since Russia doesn't really have a good name when it comes to ''peacekeeping'' Perhaps you should look back how Russian soldiers ''dealt'' with the rebels in Chechnya.
Originally posted by maloy
There is no concrete proof that Russia used any cluster bombs.
Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop]Originally posted by undermind
Not at all. I'm providing historical background of Russian actions in Georgia, which have been and continue to be premised on Stalin's notions.
You are wrong ... flat out wrong ... there is a completely different driving philosophy behind the Russians now. You make your argument like those peon political hacks at CIA.
If you did your research you would find that these Georgian actions are part of the grand oil plan dating back before the end of the USSR because that is how long the plans have been laid to suck all the petroleum resources from those areas so you can drive your friggen Hummer to McDonalds.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Originally posted by undermind
...The former Soviet Union's attitude towards Georgia was driven by Stalin who considered physical elimination (murder) as a tool of communist revolution. ...
And where, praytell, was Stalin born?