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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 09:03 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



Why is it unreal? Obama is no different than McCain. they both want a NWO police state.


reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 09:06 PM by DimensionalDetective
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LOL...Quite true. Perhaps I should have said surreal instead of unreal...Just amazing how far our rights have eroded in just the past several years. Very sad.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 04:21 AM by Loki
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Hoo, Lane is going to destroy them, hopefully. Censorship and abuse of power are too much these days.


reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 02:47 PM by chise61
reply to post by Cyberbian



If the mayor is running his city with just ocassional reports of his police officers actions, then he's not doing a very good job. It is after all his job to make sure that his city is running properly.

If his police officers are out of control, using excessive force, etc, then maybe he should be micro managing them, or appointing a police commisioner that can control his police force.


As far as the candidates, they should be aware of what's going on with the police force in this country. They are running for the office of the POTUS and as such one will run this country. The leader of this country has a responsibility to make sure that it's police force is not violating the constitutional rights of it's citizens.



reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 11:00 PM by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by zorgon



As a land surveyor I can tell you that it is rare to find parcels that include the sidewalk anymore. 9 times out of 10 the parcel includes everything up to the sidewalk. Back in the day they would give ownership to the CL of the road, but not very often anymore. Not to say this is the case, but I doubt it.

Not interested enough to do the legwork. It is a moot point. I don't care if he was in the lobby of the Hotel, his rights were violated.


reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 11:09 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by muzzleflash
well why do the "people " keep letting this happen?
why do they just take it without fighting back?
im really confused...


Because we have hidden ourselves in our rooms and play video games, hang out and make dates in chat rooms and talk about the woes of the world in forums... You see kids plugged into Ipods and others talking to themselves on phone implants... all of it designed to tune out the world

There are very few social activities were people get together talk and plan things. Its easy to talk big in here... but I think we as a society have become apathetic...

The other thing is we get outraged at incidents like this... as well we should... but where is the follow up?

A while back cops kicked in a Mayors door and shot his dogs... by mistake... then defended their actions... what happened to that story?

In another threaad cops set up a marijauna smoker... a female... on a sting so she would serve less time... it backfired she is dead... they are blaming her

And on it goes... like moths to a flame we pounce on the next story and forget the previous

And nothing gets done...

No one writes letters to congress... but have time to spend hours posting

No one gets a protest going and calls the medis to say WE WON"T STAND FOR THIS... maybe afraid the cops will break it up?

ATS cannot get behind a cause, nor can they start petitions... That is up to each person

But apathy and the comfort of the computer age is taking over... and I bet THEY know this


wheres the panthers now?


In Jail or Dead

[edit on 31-8-2008 by zorgon]


reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 03:10 AM by MidnightDStroyer
reply to post by crimvelvet


"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do." -- Thomas Jefferson

If you were to look up my past posts here on ATS, you'll find that I spread information...Because that's all I can do on ATS.

Further, this Ignorance Assassin sayeth not...



reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 02:08 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



It varies too much on who owns a sidewalk to say for sure, from specific property, to city, county, and state (well, area, since nobody but Oklahoma has renounced the 14th amendment, yet).

Perhaps these will be helpful:
findarticles.com...
www.krages.com...

And this:
www.metnews.com...
the courts (all the way to supreme court) decided that yes, even though the side-walk was privately constructed, it STILL was considered a public space, and demonstrators had a right to have a permit for it. but even so, one person, taking photographs, doesn't need a permit to shoot unless there's some kind of regional law, county/city/district/etc... Go try to shoot somewhere in LA without a permit.

But yeah, not knowing what the charges are (hmm, me thinks they'll be released without charges, BIG surprise, heh)... not really much sense to speculate.


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 08:03 AM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by Cyberbian
Are you so naive as to believe that the candidates have any idea what the police are doing?

Considering that both candidates are going for the same Office that administrates law enforcement in government, they damn well better know what's going on! The real trick is that none of the candidates would actually be candidates at this point if they were not intending to follow the "party line" to let it continue...Because their real bosses are the banks (Fed Res, IMF, World Bank) who don't give a flying fudge about human rights (banks care only for money).

Originally posted by Loki
Hoo, Lane is going to destroy them, hopefully.

ABC really should destroy them in court...That would only be exercising Justice under the Supreme Law of the Land.

Originally posted by chise61
If the mayor is running his city with just ocassional reports of his police officers actions, then he's not doing a very good job. It is after all his job to make sure that his city is running properly.

"His" city? Strange...By Law, the city actually belongs to the People. Mayors are only responsible for management...Under proper obedience to the Supreme Law of the Land. Why else is the Office described as an "Office of Public Trust?" If he violates that Trust, he's no longer qualified to hold the job.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." -- Abraham Lincoln
Hey, Abe was only paraphrasing part of the
Preamble in the Declaration of Independence ya' know!

Every Office in government relies on the consent of the People...Every government throughout the whole of human history relies on the consent of the People. History itself shows what happens to governments when the Peoples' consent is revoked with violence...revolts, rebellions. America is the first to have a Supreme Law that contains peaceful means for the People to revoke consent, mostly described in the Bill of Rights.
"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can succeed." -- Abraham Lincoln

Originally posted by johnsky
The people are now the enemies of state... this is what a police state is all about.

The actual "Declarations of War" were committed to paper & enactment with the Patriot Act & the Military Commissions Act & other such corraborative documents, such as many of Bush's "signing statements" & "Presidental Directives." Strange...I thought the Constitution delegated all powers of legislation to Congress...What's the President doing by enforcing that which is not Law, but only his own "word?" I smell dictatorship here.

Since government cannot operate without the consent of the People, then by proxy, the Police State is actually being invoked in the name of the People...In your name & mine. I don't know about you, but I'm used peaceful means to revoke my consent...But as long as more than a minority of People still gives their consent to government, the situation will only get worse.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
I don't care if he was in the lobby of the Hotel, his rights were violated.

You got that right. The Right of Peaceful Assembly & the Right of a Free Press has no boundaries, as such. Since there were no specific boundaries written into the Supreme Law of the Land, then no such boundaries exist. Besides, isn't a "hotel" supposed to be "public access?" How could a commercial enterprise even operate & earn profits without access to the public anyway?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
...it STILL was considered a public space, and demonstrators had a right to have a permit for it.

I see inconsistency in that statement: Since the Supreme Court has declared that the exercise of Rights cannot be taxed, require any kind of licensing or permits, or any other restriction that doesn't involve the equal responsibility to not violate the equal Rights of others. Licenses/permits are only to regulate a privilege, so how could the Right to Peaceful Assembly require a permit that is only for regulating privileges?

Technically, asking for a "permit" means that the "peaceful assembly" is begging the government to regulate a Right as if it were a privilege instead...But no government agency can legally require the issue of a permit for people to exercise a fundamental Right. Do you see the inconsistency here?

Hey, I'm only talking common sense here, with the Law as my resource for background information...

[edit on 2-9-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:08 PM by chise61
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer




I know that the city belongs to the people, i didn't mean "his city" literally. I was referring to it as his city in the terms of his job scope. Similar to the way that in my last job the departments that i was responsible for the inventory in were referred to as being "my departments" by upper management. They were not really my departments, belonged to the company not me, it's just a way of pointing out what people are responsible for.
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