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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:08 PM by crawgator406
reply to post by TheHunted

sorry about the one liner but "what about all the other parties"?


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:49 PM by TheHunted
Originally posted by crawgator406
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post by TheHunted

sorry about the one liner but "what about all the other parties"?



I'm just trying to be realistic here. These are two most likely parties to voted in.



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:28 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by TheHunted
If Obama-Biden were to gain office firearm owners are scared of a ban on guns.


Are firearm owners afraid of a gun ban? I know he has supported them in the past, for local, high-crime areas. But there's nothing that I know of to indicate that Obama would support a gun ban for the country or even legal gun owners.

Obama on Gun Control


Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.


He would probably like to constrain the ownership of guns, but I have no doubt that this Constitutionally-protected right will remain intact. The people would not stand for it, for one thing.

Originally posted by TheHunted
They both oppose war and prefer to handle such issues with diplomacy.


I would also have to say that they both oppose THIS war, but they don't "oppose war". And to choose diplomacy over war is a GOOD thing. Remember? Remember Peace? That they prefer diplomacy is a compliment to them.


If McCain is elected then the possibility of war with Iran turned into most likely a warring with Iran. Unlike like Obama-Biden they are for firearms.


Agreed. And I wouldn't be surprised if a war with Iran would turn into a war with others. McCain is a clear supporter of the second amendment, it's true.


Which has the potential to harm America more? ... Do we take are chances on war with Iran or ban on guns? You Choose...


If I HAD to choose between a war with Iran or a ban on guns, I would choose a ban on guns, Because I know the people wouldn't stand for it - and we have NO power over whether the government continues with their warring ways. There will be nothing we can do. Just as we had no choice about the current war. At least the people have some power if they have to defend their rights. They can't do much to prevent the government from enacting the draft and sending the military to war.

BUT!!!! I do not believe Obama is at all interested in imposing any kind of gun ban. There's nothing I can find in his plans that have anything to do with guns.

So, I don't think we have to make that choice.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:34 PM by vor78
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Your last statement is inaccurate, regarding him having no gun law proposals. He has stated his support of reinstating the expired Assault Weapons Ban. In fact, its on his own website:

Link

He also supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:45 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by vor78



You're right. He does have something about guns. Sorry.

He doesn't have anything about gun bans, which is the supposition in the choices we were given in the OP.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:59 PM by Illahee
An "assault weapons ban" is a part of the democratic platform in plain writing.

Notice they hide this fact on their website. In fact the website says nothing about thier drafts and legislation to ban guns at all.

www.democrats.org...

Now look at what they really intend to ban.
www.morebans.org...

Look at the pictures. Click on each picture to see the truth. Will you be the next criminal?
www.morebans.org...

There are however no assault weapons available in the US without a class III permit and around 10,000-15,000 dollars each and up in to the hundreds of thousands of dollars. All in the hands of museums and collectors. Do they want to close museums?

So what do obamatrons do when confronted with the lies of their party and the lies they perpetuate? They start a new thread thinking they can avoid the truth. It always comes out though. No one can run away from the truth.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Illahee]

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Illahee]


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 04:04 PM by sos37
reply to post by TheHunted



You are making two assumptions here that I think are innacurate - first while I agree that Obama would try diplomacy, I believe he would try it first. But remember, as far as Iran goes, Obama has stated repeatedly that Iran "must not get the bomb". I have no doubt whatsoever that he wouldn't have a problem signing the order to ask Congress to go to war if Iran became an imminent threat and diplomacy failed.

Also I believe you think McCain would shoot first and ask questions later. It might be true that McCain and other GOP members have learned some lessons in this final year of the Bush administration as Bush has reached out to talk with former "Axis of Evil" nations like North Korea. There's a very good chance McCain would do the same before thrusting the country into another war, especially considering the state of the economy and our military as it is now.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 05:01 PM by TheHunted
Originally posted by UFOTECH
Your entire point may be moot at this point Hunted.

www.lewrockwell.com...

The neocons may not wait until after the election after all.


Thanks for the link. I did say war with Iran is likely, I just chose the wrong guy.
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