bible mark of the beast is not 666 it 600606, page 2
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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 03:41 PM by undo
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well thanks. to be honest, i think the use of metal statue is to drive home the point that the hybrids were a mixture of human and at least two other things... machine and reptilian or machine and amphibian. but the metal use has a reason i believe, above the obvious hording of metals, which is why the iron and clay of the feet on the statue won't adhere to each other... it's an empire run by men who are not really men -- they are part man, part metal (machine) and something else. dare i say the popes may have been hotwired to the "gods?"

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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 04:03 PM by mythatsabigprobe
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I think you could say that the British Empire arose after the Holy Roman Empire, and while it was and still is. Followed by the new American Empire making the eighth. And both empires do in fact use a base six/twelve numerology while the rest of the world uses base 10 or metric. Pounds and pence, yards, feet and inches, troy ounces...


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 04:04 PM by undo
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you accounted for 6 and 7, where's 8?
oh and that's interesting data.

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reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 05:43 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Even during the times when early copies of Revelation were circulating, there was confusion about whether the number meant by its author was 666 or 616. This is because all the Greek copies were handwritten, and the middle number of the three letters in these copies denoting the number was sometimes interpreted as iota (10) and sometimes as xi (60), the confusion arising because the appearance of these letters is similar, thus creating the gematria value of either 616 or 666. Three years ago, Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, announced to the world
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his belief that the number was 616 because the fragment of the earliest known copy that he had examined under a microscope showed the middle letter as iota. This conclusion is fallacious because even earlier copies yet to be found might have xi as the middle letter, not iota.

Another argument supporting 666 is that, as the author of Revelation was a Greek Jew, he would have thought of Nero, widely believed to be what the Beast symbolized, as Neron Kesar, the Hebrew form whose gematria number value is 666. [See Frederic W. Farrar, The Early Days of Christianity (New York: E. P. Dutton and Co., 1882), 471.]

View the three letters xi (600), iota (10 and stigma (6) in the fragment here:
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You may think that it is now impossible to know which number the author of Revelation meant, as we are unlikely to discover its 'first edition' or be able to recognise it as such even if we did. Here is an argument which favours 666 rather than 616: compare the two letters iota and xi and ask yourselves this question: what is more probable - that the letter iota would be misread as xi or that the letter xi would be misread as iota. It is clear that the latter is the more likely because, if carelessly rendered, it could be read as iota, whereas the simpler letter iota is not likely to be ever misread as the more complex xi. This means that the author of Revelation meant the number of the Beast to be 666, not 616, and that the version examined three years ago contains a copied error even though it is the earliest known copy. We shall probably never know for sure. But don't be taken in by fallacious claims (uncritically repeated) whose truth depends on the shaky assumption that the earliest copy yet discovered was identical to the original version.


reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 01:53 AM by tamerlane
Here is the Greek text of Rev 13:18 as the King James translators would have seen it:

13:18 ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ


The last three words are "six-hundred sixty six" (hexacosioi hexaconta hex in my rough transliteration)

That is very similar to the way that we would write out 666 in english and yet we don't confuse it with 600606.

My source for the above quoted verse is www.zhubert.com. It will show you the greek for any Bible verse and also provides a lexicon and word definitions appear when the mouse pointer passes over the individual greek words. I have found it very helpful in determining the meanings of numerous biblical verses. In many cases, the translators of the King James Version have left us with a distorted view of the actual intent of the verse, and seeing the greek has clarified quite a number of scriptures for me.

There is a limitation, however. The greek text at zhubert.com is from the text that was compiled by Erasmus in the sixteenth century and later used by the King James translators. To compile his work, Erasmus used very few greek manuscripts and all of them are late manuscripts of the Byzantine tradition. In some parts, his greek text does not come from any greek manuscript, but rather from the Latin Vulgate which he re-translated into greek.

So while very helpful, it is not the oldest or most perfect text from which to determine the original intent and meaning.
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