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Originally posted by Gorman91
How am I contradicting myself? It's simple fact that police brutality hasn't increased, but been seen more often. I highly doubt the rise in modern technology would not affect crimes somehow.
And America is the 3rd biggest nation, so it's expected to have more crimes. Over time, as a type one civilization become dominate, crime will lower
you are quick to call me wrong, but you have yet to.
Originally posted by Gorman91
How am I contradicting myself? It's simple fact that police brutality hasn't increased, but been seen more often. I highly doubt the rise in modern technology would not affect crimes somehow.
And America is the 3rd biggest nation, so it's expected to have more crimes. Over time, as a type one civilization become dominate, crime will lower
you are quick to call me wrong, but you have yet prove it.
I'm really getting bored of the whole "you're wrong because you don;t beleive in conspiracies thing"
YAWN! good night.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by Gorman91]
...the police are taught to protect themselves first, citizens second.
They are taught that if they shoot, ALWAYS shoot to kill.
They are taught that silence is an act of aggression.
They are taught that words are to be considered assault on an officer.
This country's law enforcement system is a joke.
Originally posted by DelMar
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
Sounds like common sense to protect yourself first, how could a police officer be efficient in helping other if he/she is injured.
Again, if there is a need to shoot, they must protect themselves. Yes, there are cases of officers in unjustified shootings, and they should be punished, however, if shooting is justified, why go for the leg?
So you're saying no matter how you approach an officer, silent or bitching, you're screwed?
What country do you consider to be the model for a good law enforcement system?
Del
Originally posted by DelMar
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
1. We could debate numerous situations where "protect themselves" could mean numerous things. However, I agree that the citizens are who the police are to serve.
2. Tragic story indeed. The officers should be put through the legal system and punished if found guilty, not an argument from me on that one. You said officers are taught to shoot to kill as if it were a bad idea. I simply stated that, if appropriate, they should. This story is obviously not that type of case.
3. I didn't say swearing at a cop wasn't an arrestable offense. Also, I fail to see how silence when spoken to by a cop is considered aggression, it is a right that you have. Cops aren't judges and can't hold you in contmept for not answering questions. Can they arrest you for withholding information, likely, but they can't force you to talk. I think you're stretching it a bit by saying unless you answer exactly as they want, trouble ensues.
Not suggesting we take the road to apathy, just wanting to know if you had an ideal country in mind.
Del
Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by Death_Kron
I agree, I can take care of my self without the help of an Officer.
Cops are an all-together waste of time.
But that is my opinion.
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
There are good police forces around the world - don't judge all cops by the actions of a few American cops who have inferiority complexes.
It's not US cops - UK police can do similar things.
There was a guy recently arrested for photographing an officer breaking the law. Amongst other things, he was accused of assaulting the police officer by taking a photo through a window!!
The police officer in question should:
* Lose his job
* Lose his pension
* Be sued to hell by the guy he assaulted when he wrongfully arrested him
* Be prosecuted for wrongful arrest
* Be prosecuted for unlawful imprisonment
* Be sent to jail for 10 years for abuse of power
Originally posted by gibbs1189
Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by Death_Kron
I agree, I can take care of my self without the help of an Officer.
Cops are an all-together waste of time.
But that is my opinion.
I would LOVE to see you take care of your self if we had no law enforcement what so ever, and just so people know, State police are not Federal officers, there for they are not part of the federal government.
The news and media are the only reason that more and more stories are coming out, very little has changed as far as how many incidents actually occur, just how many are brought to the public's attention.
I really hate it when people think that because a small percentage of the police populace abuse their power, they assume that every single officer is corrupt, when that is not the case. And yes, so you all know I'm going to college right now to get a degree in criminal justice, and I plan on going into the police academy in a few years.
As for you death kron, I dont wish anything bad on you because you dont respect police, but if you ever have to experience the pain, and anger of being a victim of a crime, say someone breaks into your home and steals all of your valuables, but you never report it, only to find out later that the police caught the guy and you still cant get your things back because you think the police are useless and never reported the crime, I think you may start to change your mind. If not, I dont care, your opinion is yours to believe, no matter how ignorant it may seem. To me at least.
Originally posted by fleabit
Do you realize how many thousands of law enforcement officers are in the United States? You do realize that the few stories that are "brutal" are sensationalized and broadcast because it's 'good media' right?
How many "good deed" cop stories do you hear about? Not many eh? Why not? They don't sell as well as brutal stories. Disasters, strife, conflict.. those well. Papers and news stations realize this.
It's kinda funny.... the media rather responsible for the lack of serious interest in UFOs by the scientific community and much of the public. We recognize this. Yet we are blind to the fact that they do the same with the police. They are vicious and brutal killing machines! Um.. or not really.
Bad cops.. yup, they exist. Just like bad waiters, bad politicians, bad garbage disposal specialists, bad hairdresses, and bad bartenders. There are thousands of good cop deeds.. pity they are never talked about, never see the light of day. It's all about the horrible brutality.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by dave420
Americans are not lesser beings. We are of all people. So calling us dumb is essentially calling yourself dumb.
As to brutality, it's nothing new. The world is just smaller now and so more is seen. The fear of being caught should refrain many of them.
Sometimes, Big brother watching you is a good thing.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by Gorman91]