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Does science prove the existence of God?

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posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:11 AM
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Yes we go back to the source because energy can not be destroy it only dispurse. I am going to shear one of my experience I wanted to know how everything works so I was expain to, this way I was shown a tree we many branches and a voice said to me,( I is like this tree with many brances and many leaves you are shed like a leaf from the tree but you will come back to the tree after you finish your task (in earth with our human body) We always come back to the source the energy that make all of us anything that has live, It was nothing religious about it just factual and to the point I did not see any angels or bodies just light beautiful light so white it was like anything in this earth, will that is enough for you? I have so many experiences I can write a book but for what, so I can be put down by the religious organizations because they have never seen what I has seen?




posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:24 AM
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First, you need to specify what god you are talking about. Who's concept of god does science prove/disprove?

However if we are talking about ANY concept of god then NO. But that is only because our science has not gotten that far. Now don't think that I am jumping on the zealot band wagon so quick. I believe in a 'god thing', but it does not even have consciousness of its own existence because it does not exist. Confused? Things only 'exist' through duality and if the godthing is everything and everything is One thing then it is without another in which to define itself by and thus does not take up residence in 'Existence'.

God does not love you or hate you as it is not even aware of its own existence. This is the reason that it divides itself through duality, in order to better understand itself in relationship to itself. (Note: the last sentence is speculative and it is the only idea that I can not prove through logic and reason, but all theories begin somewhere.) The godthing has nothing to do with religion. Religion is the corrupt control structure made by man, for man. Again, if you are interesting in these ideas, read my RAVINGS in the sig.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:31 AM
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If what you want is a religious background then I guess you should have specifie that I am giving you a bigger picture.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I do not mean to offend anybody that believe in Jesus but as with everything, Jesus is the link that man used to be like God and to link to it. . . .

Just because they tell you is true you believe in it why? because we have been train to believe that we have to belong to something and in order to belong to it has to be something to link to it

the church has never been able to proved God that is why Jesus comes to life ,a human link and the bible so you can feel that you belong.


Um... I feel most of what the Bible says about Jesus is the truth. That he was the son of God, came here as part man and part divine, he died for US, among other beliefs. Of course he's the link between man and God, but he's not a figure that the Church made up.

You say that the Church made him up to be a link between God and man, but Jesus was around a long time before the Church as we know it was established. I don't think its because the Church couldn't prove God existed. The Church doesn't need to prove God exists, because those of faith will believe in Him regardless.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Tjololo
lol nice response but i was looking for something more along the lines of his reasoning of why just good cannot exist. I know this question to not be true in the slightest but i was wondering why he said that. However if u have something constructive to add to the conversation and not just "witty" remarks then I would greatly appreciate it. ty


Everyone always asks this question. Well, if you read and understand the bible, you'll most likely come to know the answer. But since most people don't want to or don't want to waste their time, etc., let me try to give you the answer.

Basically, there is one reason why evil exists according to the bible and therefore christianity and judaism. Back in the day, when there was just Adam and Eve, everything was fun, happy, wonderful with no evil, and the earth and nature was in equilibrium. (no natural disasters/disease/death) They eventually encountered satan and he convinced them to sin (which means to "fall short" but specifically to fall short of God's laws and desires) and the sin ruined the perfect state of everything and therefore the traits and results of evil became commonplace in this world ever since then.

So why did God allow this though? Because, although satan is a scumbag, he is ironically key to our relationship with God. With satan comes another option besides God. With satan comes choice for us. If, in life, there was only one way to live, and we had no choice but to obey God we would literally be slaves. Also, yes everyone would obey God, and evil and awful things would be gone, but it would not amount to anything. In other words, God seeks love, IS love and has made us to share in it in a relationship with Him. But love can only be a product of someone's choice or will to give it. What power or comfort comes from a love that is forced? Is it even love?

God has made us free people with intelligence and discernment, and a power to choose for ourselves what we do and how we live. We can live by Him, or not. And, obviously, there are many who choose evil out of their selfish desires and give in to satan's temptations and influence on the world. God is definitely present and active in many things around us. But He decided not to be a dictator and let us choose. And He gave us an alternative so that there is meaning and true love behind the action of someone choosing Him and loving Him and living for Him. This is why evil exists, because humans choose of their own accord. God will not breach the sovereignty He granted us. But there are consequences for how we use it. So which would you rather have? To be free, or a slave?



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Everyone always asks this question. Well, if you read and understand the bible, you'll most likely come to know the answer.


I thought that we were talking about science and not some book that can not be proven to be anything but fiction. No offence intended, but 'bible' talk always sidelines the question at hand.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 11:46 AM
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while current science probally can't prove the existance of god, i do believe that in the future, god can be proven and even comunicated with through science in technology.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:06 PM
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SimpleTruth you put it perfectly.

When talking about God, even in the context of science, you can't disregard the Bible. God is tied to the Bible whether people want to believe it or not, that's just the way it is.

For all the science minded people who say God can not exist because science has proven how "such and such" a thing happened, answer me this. Why can't you entertain the idea that God made it that way? Why couldn't God create the materials necessary for scientific processes to occur?

Yes, before the days of science people explained everything as being made by God (anything they didn't understand; be it a beautiful sunset or a chemical reaction). Today we have the knowledge to explain how a sunset happens, or why this chemical mixes with that, but is it so hard to believe that these instances occur by the hand of God?

I can't see why science-based people use the argument that God can't exist because "such and such" a thing is proven by science, because it is flawed. God created the materials necessary for such events to happen, that is my belief.

This goes along with the idea that some day science will be able to prove, actually prove is not a good word. Science will be able to "show" the existence of God because I'm sure the process is there we just have not discovered it yet. The same way we were baffled by the thought of a sunset and declared it was God's work, which in fact, it was.

Hopefully that made sense and wasn't just a bunch of rambling. Any thoughts?



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Faisca
For all the science minded people who say God can not exist because science has proven how "such and such" a thing happened, answer me this. Why can't you entertain the idea that God made it that way? Why couldn't God create the materials necessary for scientific processes to occur?

(...)

I can't see why science-based people use the argument that God can't exist because "such and such" a thing is proven by science, because it is flawed. God created the materials necessary for such events to happen, that is my belief.


You misinterpret what I said. I didn't say it ruled out the possibility of god existing. Sure it is possible, but there is no indication that god exists. God is no longer required to explain the world. There is no need for god to exist, except for faith. And since faith is just a personal opinion, the existance god is a personal opinion as well. Science has ruled god unnescessary and it's up to you to decide to keep to believing.
Personally I don't feel that need. I will be convinced that god exists if we somehow manage to unambiguously communicate with a higher intelligence. I don't see any indication in current science that this will ever happen though. There is no sign of intelligence or intelligent design in the universe. All phenomena are caused by a few simple rules. Simple rules can create complex phenomena.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 12:44 PM
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amantine, I wasn't speaking specifically to you, but to all Science=NoGod people in general. I'm glad that you are open to the idea that a god does exist, even with the advances in science. Many people take a hard stance that says "science proved this, so that proves God doesn't exist." I didn't mean for my post to make it seem like I misunderstood you or anyone else, it was merely made in general (not to any one person on this board).

If that is clear, I hope I did not offend anyone who is into science. If I did, my sincerest apologies.

I am totally open to science, but I also believe that God exists and is the creator of everything. I'm very religious, but I believe in the theory of evolution. I'm not so blinded by my faith to believe that Adam and Eve were the beginning of everything; I can understand that to be a myth or fable. People at the time that the Bible was written had no idea about the evolution theory, so they had to create some idea of how we were created, and perhaps it was this story that was passed down from God as a way to explain it to the people of the time. To me, God created the materials necessary for evolution to occur. This is how I see science and religion mixed together.

I hope that clears some stuff up. Is there anyone out there who see it the same way I do? Or am I just totally out there.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 01:37 PM
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GUESS WHAT CHILDREN WAY UNTIL YOU DIE OR HAVE A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE AND YOU WILL FIND OUT. GOOD LOOK WITH YOUR TASK.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
GUESS WHAT CHILDREN WAY UNTIL YOU DIE OR HAVE A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE AND YOU WILL FIND OUT. GOOD LOOK WITH YOUR TASK.


Please explain as I have no idea what you just attempted to say. Way=Weigh?



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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God, why ask this question again, we have all come to this world to seek riches and enjoyment, yet would rather always find ourselves in the company of death. Did you ever think that you have all the knowledge of the world already there, you just don't can't decode it it.

NO God can help you in path of enlightenment, just your ego and what memories you consider valuable.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:02 PM
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Sorry, I mean when our time on earth comes to and end and we meet who created us we will find out. Please!!!!!DONT SEND THE FBI AFTER ME



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:06 PM
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I FORGOT THAT IN THIS TIME AND AGE WE CAN NOT MAKE CERTAIN TYPE OF JOKES ( WE ARE BEEN MONITOR)
OH,OH, THE MENS IN BLACK ARE NOKING MY DOOR, GOT TO GO



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:08 PM
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marg... I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You tell us you're sorry cuz you can't speak English well, but half the time it looks like you're not even making an attempt at a sensible idea...

Not sure how what you're posting is furthering the thread...



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Faisca
Many people take a hard stance that says "science proved this, so that proves God doesn't exist." I didn't mean for my post to make it seem like I misunderstood you or anyone else, it was merely made in general (not to any one person on this board).

I don't think anyone from the scientific community would ever make such a statement. The concept of God is simply impossible to prove as false. There are no testable assertions made about any 'God'. Even as we learn more about the true workings of the Universe, there remains a massive amount yet to be understood. The only possible way of disproving god is to know literally everything about the universe. Ironically making us quite Godlike ourselves. Not particularly likely however.



Originally posted by Beanie_pianoforte
Most scientific theories of evolution require far greater leaps of faith than religion (a word i rarely say).

Hrm, which requires more of a leap. The one that is based on hundreds of years of scientific analysis (and under massive attack from religious quarters). With a mountain of empirical evidence backing it up and testable theories to go with it.

Or the one based on a 2 thousand year old book that has been re-written and re-interpreted a number of times. Still includes contradictions, inconsistencies, and downright inaccuracies. And pretty much has no testable aspects to it because everyone is free to make their own interpretation of any part they like.


I'm not trying to trash anyones beliefs, but I won't let you get away with saying such a thing. Religious beliefs by their very nature require far more Faith than scientific study.

I think I'll just have to side with Galileo Galilei and say:
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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Kano, I apologize. My choice of words "science minded people" was probably not the best way to explain what I mean.

I should have said "people who use science to try to disprove God and say that religion is foolish."

I know there are plenty of people in the scientific community who don't use science for that way, but there are people out there who are gung ho about trying to get people to see that there shouldn't be religion. Maybe not scholars, scientists, or other important people; but people who just want to be jackasses and disprove people's beliefs.

Sorry again for the mixup.



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 02:30 PM
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And thats why Galileo was arrested imprioned and tortured and was in house arrest for for the rest of his life the church did not agree with his bright mind and way of thinking he was to advance for them he believed in Science in those times anybody that was involved in science was agains the church. ( by the way I dont may sense to many people most of the time that is why I will be as simple as possible or until a get bored we this forum)



posted on Mar, 18 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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Yeah, that is the reason Galileo was persecuted, because the uneducated Church didn't know what the hell was goin on at the time. That's also why the (or a part of) the Illuminati was started at that time. So scientists could practice their art out of the way of the Church.



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