Here's the Ad Obama is suing to keep you from watching

Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Jesus... It was a quote made by Alexander Cockburn.
It's not the opinion of the website that Cockburn said it.
It's not Obama's opinion that Cockburn said it.
It's a FACT that Cockburn said it.

Than why did Obama's fact sheet describe him as "member of the establishment and friends with the mayor"? Its practically the same as saying "respectable and mainstream". Its OBVIOUS that's the image his campaign was trying to push of Ayers.

Dronetek...I think at this point you are playing dumb.

This is what the ad says/texts verbatum....

Obama on Ayers: "respectable" "mainstream"

Notice the qoutation marks? Not much question here that they are attributing these exact words to OBAMA as opposed to the journalist who actually wrote those words in an article on the website.

THEY DIDN'T SAY "THIS IS THE IMAGE OF AYERS THAT WE THINK OBAMA'S STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE"

THEY ATTRIBUTED THE QOUTES TO OBAMA AND THAT IS OUTRIGHT LIEING. INEXCUSABLE.

I wouldn't stand for this comming from any political camp and neither should you lest someone find some article about McCain and qoute the journalist but say it is McCain and then run it in an attack ad.

C'Mon Dronetek ... you get it right?

Let's try this...As an experiment I pulled up the first news article on McCain's website and pulled something out of context from it...."McCain represents the past, that Virginians ready to turn the page should vote for Obama. "

It's righ there on his website...should I now run an ad saying in a sinister voice.....according to McCain "...Virginians ready to turn the page should vote for Obama.."

reply to post by Golack


Geez this may be the stupidest ad I've ever seen aimed at another president. First off hardly anyone is going to remember that bombing on the nations capital. Secondly I believe it was during the Vietnam era and anyone in a right state of mind can understand that everone back then wasn't in the best state of mind. I think the reason this was pulled isn't because Obama is sueing but that it insinuates that he would also bomb the US. Clearly a below the belt shot; and by the way I have plenty of friends who have done countless questionable things but all in all they're still my friends.

[edit on 28-8-2008 by Lokey13]

reply to post by maybereal11


Nice job making a very good point about taking things out of context. I dont care who anyone is going to vote for but these types of ads are appealing to the lowest common denominator. I wish that neither side would resort to this type of crap but it happens.....desperate people(candidates), do desperate things(lie).

reply to post by Azrael75


Wait a minute! John Kerry was in Vietnam? Wow! I didn't know that! Kerry never talks about it! If I had known that John Kerry was in Vietnam, I might have voted for him!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


If Obama is secretly wanting to take down the government, I'm all for it. But I don't think any revolutionary should even think about bombing the capitol. That's more like something you'd want to take back instead of destroy.

Ha, gone for a few hours and here I see the same Neocon BS.

You Neocons need to go off and find out that Obama is not a Secret Muslim, terrorist, evil blah blah blah. Obama will save America from the Neocons.

I know, gays and blacks and women being treated as equal is wrong. I know not making grabs for oil but look for alternate fuels is wrong. I know cutting taxes on the bottom 90% while raising them on the top 10% while cutting corporate welfare is wrong. But that's your opinion.

THIS JUST IN! MCCAIN SUPPORTS PEDOPHILES BECAUSE HE ONCE DROVE BY THE HOUSE OF A CONVICTED PEODPHILE!!!!

See? Same BS Logic you Neocons are using here.

[edit on 28-8-2008 by Krieger]

reply to post by nunya13



the main difference is that this man is unremorseful for bombing National buildings... and said he wished he had "done more"

im sorry, but if you are running for president, it is in your best interests to STEER CLEAR of those kinds of people, and if it comes up, you should publicly denounce and wash your hands of said person to save face... because the majority of Americans don't care whether you agree with him or not... RICO laws ring a bell? those should be a pretty good example of how most americans feel about guilt by association.

Hey guys, guess what, a black left winger (har har har as if america had a left wing) may become the next president of the united states. Get over it ! As I said before, it makes no difference whoever gets elected, both candidates are hand picked by the same people. Don't worry, Bush lovers, the imperialistic policies will continue !

Originally posted by maybereal11
This is what the ad says/texts verbatum....

Obama on Ayers: "respectable" "mainstream"

Notice the qoutation marks? Not much question here that they are attributing these exact words to OBAMA as opposed to the journalist who actually wrote those words in an article on the website.

THEY ATTRIBUTED THE QOUTES TO OBAMA AND THAT IS OUTRIGHT LIEING. INEXCUSABLE.

The 527 that produced the add defends their attribution of those words to Obama in their response to the campaign's complaint:

noquarterusa.net...

The Ad’s Reference to the Obama Defense of William Ayers as “Respectable” And “Mainstream”

The Obama Memo states that “Sen. Obama has never referred to William Ayers as ‘respectable’ and ‘mainstream’.” That is simply incorrect.

Sen. Obama and the Obama presidential campaign have both consistently defended Ayers as an upstanding member of the Chicago community. (Please refer to page 104 of the American Issues Project research document for the entire sequence of documentation related to this topic.)

Specifically:

On a campaign fact check released after the Democratic presidential debate sponsored by ABC News on April 17, 2008, the Obama Campaign writes that “Ayers And Dohrn Became Respectable Fixtures Of The Mainstream In Chicago.”
The Obama Memo confirms the Obama campaign posted those words on its website, www.BarackObama.com, and cites to the same left-wing op-ed article that described Ayers as a respected figure of education in “mainstream liberal Chicago.”
The Obama Campaign website still contains the following defense of Ayers: “Ayers Is A Tenured Professor At The University Of Illinois At Chicago And Was A ‘Respected Advisor’ To Mayor Daley On School Reform.” See www.BarackObama.com, accessed 08/23/08

Obama's defense, no doubt, is that he did not call Ayers and Dohrne respectable and mainstream in regards to their terrorist activities, but that they "became" respectable and mainstream.

This, however, is belied by Ayers' unrepentence for his activities from the late '60s into the early '80s. After his case was dismissed on a technicality (where he was "guilty as hell and free as a bird"), he gave up on terrorist activities but does not regret them one bit. Thus, Ayers' attitudes and words, to this day, are far from either respectable or mainstream even though his day-to-day actions may have "became" both.

reply to post by Ismail


When one is bombing my country (america) and the other is bombing those who seek to kill my countrymen, that answer is easy. Obama and all his vile "congregation" should be sent to "gitmo" and tried for treason.

Wow...

So you guys don't care that McCain is a pedophile? I mean if you trully believe Obama will blow up America because he lives in the same neighborhood as Ayers then you must believe McCain is a pedophile. Why? He was an associate and friend with Mark Foley for over a decade. He worked with Mark Foley who was a member of the House on the GOP.

So, using your logic, McCain is a pedophile and supports pedophilia. Sucks to support a pedophile doesn't it?

reply to post by heliosprime


Gee, and here is me thinking that killing in general is bad. But killing americans is worse ? America.... (shakes his head) Pull your head out of that dark hole you keep it in.
One man has killed civilians (but not americans, so he won't go to hell, right), the other has not. Thats the only point i'm trying to make. Elect whoever you want, I'm not foolish enough to think it will make a difference.
America will still invade, plunder and kill. (supported by individuals who think like you).

The root of the "swiftboat" problem is that people tend to think that if the TV says something, it must be true. It doesn't matter that the video doesn't cite any respected or respectable sources to back up it's claims. As far as the viewing public is concerned, the burden of proof is on the accused. The TV is faultless. Even though this ad was not actually on TV, the fact that it has an appearance and production values matching what we are accustomed to seeing on TV means it will have the same subconscious effect of being believable.

As for the claim that there is a lawsuit, I highly doubt it. Because it's perfectly legal to lie in a political advertisement. I bet a lot of you didn't know that. Another reason not to believe the TV.

Originally posted by Krieger
Wow...

So you guys don't care that McCain is a pedophile? I mean if you trully believe Obama will blow up America because he lives in the same neighborhood as Ayers then you must believe McCain is a pedophile. Why? He was an associate and friend with Mark Foley for over a decade. He worked with Mark Foley who was a member of the House on the GOP.

So, using your logic, McCain is a pedophile and supports pedophilia. Sucks to support a pedophile doesn't it?

You have to make a TV-style advertisement and have the voiceover done by a man with a deep, commanding voice to make people believe it.

reply to post by Ismail


Well your socialist "sig" says it all. Typical....................The great lie about bombing civilians again. There were NO civilians in N Vietnam, only communist army members...........

reply to post by heliosprime

The great lie about bombing civilians again. There were NO civilians in N Vietnam, only communist army members...........

And i suppose you were on a panel of Army Intelligence soldiers and can verify that to be truth....so we should just take your word for it because you know best?

reply to post by heliosprime


Ok, now i'm going to be sick...
I guess only AMERICANS deserve to live. Get an education and a conscience... Patriotic fool. People like you made the world what it is. I'll be laughing real hard real soon.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Ismail]

How dare the poor Vietmanese people expect to not have bombs dropped on them. How dare the poor Vietmanese women expect not to be raped. It's not like they're AMericans. Of course, you're only an American if you support Mr. Pedophile McCain. Everyone else is an anti pedophile hates America and wants to blow it up!

Sigh, so go ahead and vote for a pedophile. I'll vote for the guy who lives in the same neighborhood as a guy who 30-40 years ago blew a couple buildings up in a time of civil unrest over the Vietnam War where McCain was busy bombing civillians then years later worked side by side with a pedophile for more then a decade and considered the pedophile a friend and associate.

Originally posted by Krieger
Wow...

So you guys don't care that McCain is a pedophile? I mean if you trully believe Obama will blow up America because he lives in the same neighborhood as Ayers then you must believe McCain is a pedophile. Why? He was an associate and friend with Mark Foley for over a decade. He worked with Mark Foley who was a member of the House on the GOP.

So, using your logic, McCain is a pedophile and supports pedophilia. Sucks to support a pedophile doesn't it?

9 pages into this thread you are still spouting that nonsense that the ad says Obama will be a bomber just because he's friends with and supports a terrorist who bombed the U.S. Capitol Bldg. in the past.

One again, the ad hits at Obama's character for supporting a Tim McVeigh type of person rather than condemning him. It NEVER even hints at anything like Obama becoming Obomber (You made me think of that and I think I will use it in your honor everytime I post answers to you!)

Get over it. Press your reset button. Give your head a sharp knock to stop your brain from skipping, whatever it takes.

By the way, from Obama's official web page. Is this you, Paul?

Official Obama website

If so, it says you've attended 6 Obama events and hosted 2 yourself. Also says you're a college student that believes Obama relates best to your age. Getting involved in politics at such a very young age can be exciting, no? Just remember that professors don't have the final word on any issue and that people also need to do their own research before forming any opinions. Interesting ...



[edit on 8/31/2008 by centurion1211]

This is old news! I have been hearing about this (on FOX NEWS) for three years. I am sure we will hear more than we want about both Obama and McCain in the coming months. How many people did CRAZY stuff in the 60"s? I am not saying it was ok to do those things, but there has been lots of stuff done in this country to rebel for years. Politics......don't ya love it!