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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:12 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by chickenshoes



OK then, honest question... let's assume that the majority of the people here at ATS would fall into the "peacefull protest" category (This is hypothetical, clearly, as I would say in reality most of the would be protesters here would end up turning it into a huge circus.) One thing that they seem to share, peacefull or otherwise, is a common hatred for the police and a "the instant you pigs do something..." threat capacity. If you're involved in a peacefull protest and suddenly a group of nonpeacefull protesters arrive and try to incite, why allow it? Isn't it logical to turn the same type of "just try it" emotions you harbor against the ops back onto anyone who is basically doing what you accuse the police of doing, only from the other side of the fence?

If it is true and it's a few bad apples giving the whole barrel a bad smell, and you are among the good apples in the barrel, why wouldn't you do anything you could to chuck the bad ones out of the barrel? Expecially considering they're giving you a bad name and risking your safety by inciting the cops into reacting against the entire group.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:39 PM by chickenshoes
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to
post by chickenshoes



OK then, honest question... let's assume that the majority of the people here at ATS would fall into the "peacefull protest" category (This is hypothetical, clearly, as I would say in reality most of the would be protesters here would end up turning it into a huge circus.) One thing that they seem to share, peacefull or otherwise, is a common hatred for the police and a "the instant you pigs do something..." threat capacity.


Well, the ones I've been to have never had that mentality. Like I said, there are generally a few in every group that are champing at the bit to get arrested and, I guess, make an example out of themselves, but on the whole, I've found that not to be the case.

If you're involved in a peacefull protest and suddenly a group of nonpeacefull protesters arrive and try to incite, why allow it? Isn't it logical to turn the same type of "just try it" emotions you harbor against the ops back onto anyone who is basically doing what you accuse the police of doing, only from the other side of the fence?


Here again, I and most other protesters I've met and spoken with harbor no such "just try it" emotion against the ops [sic] (I think you meant cops?). I have sought only to have my opinion voiced by physically carrying signs and marching when all other means of change have been tried and failed. I accuse the police of nothing in my post, you're assuming. You know what happens when you assume, don't you?

If it is true and it's a few bad apples giving the whole barrel a bad smell, and you are among the good apples in the barrel, why wouldn't you do anything you could to chuck the bad ones out of the barrel? Expecially considering they're giving you a bad name and risking your safety by inciting the cops into reacting against the entire group.


Good question. The groups I have been in, like I said, only had a handful of folks like this. Most of the time, they could be reasoned with or encouraged to leave before havoc breaks out. In a smaller group this is much easier, but in larger groups you may simply not get there in time. And if you're suggesting the protesters use violence against each other, well, that would defeat the purpose, now wouldn't it?

I stand by my statement that the news media blows certain portions of events out of proportion in order to skew the public's perception of them. It's called disinformation, and unfortunately, it happens frequently.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by chickenshoes]


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:40 PM by GirlNextDoor
reply to post by burdman30ott6



To their credit, when surrounded by all those cops, the protesters began to chant "nonviolent" over and over. Then the camera crew that was filming (at least the version I saw) was moved out of filming range before the protesters were arrested.

I am all for peaceful protests. But honestly, I can't say how peaceful I'd be able to stay if surrounded like that and trapped by menacing police. How menacing did those police get, and how tight did they trap those people before there was enough incident to pull out the spray and start arresting them? I've been in ugly crowds before. The survival instincts tend to kick in before you even know what's going on.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:50 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by dalan.



Ah, I see we're highly threatened by any viewpoint which doesn't agree with your own. Last I saw, ATS permitted all sides to voice their opinion and question anything posted here. If it has officially become a place for only those who dispise the government, please let me know ASAP.

Your RFID chip comment made me chuckle.



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 01:56 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by chickenshoes



I agree with the manipulatory media comment you made. I'd take it a little further, however, the media works both sides, overblowing whatever bad the protestoers & activists do as well as overblowing any bad the police do, to make sure they manage to incite both sides because controversy and anger puts butts in front of TVs and that equals advertising dollars.

I did not intend to paint you with any brush. My anti-police mentallity comment was more directed at anyone who harbors that feeling. Based on what you are saying about how just a handfull of jackasses can taint an entire crowd of people, I have to wonder why it doesn't seem to be an accepted fact that it works both ways? Yes, there are some cops who are jerks, but that doesn't mean it is any fairer to use those jerks as grounds to call out the entirety of the police than it would be for someone to use the protesters who are acting like jerks & breaking the law to paint all protesters as dangerous lawbreakers.

Do you see what I am getting at? More importantly, do the people who like to run around calling all cops "pigs" see the hypocrisy?


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:05 PM by dalan.
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to
post by dalan.



Ah, I see we're highly threatened by any viewpoint which doesn't agree with your own. Last I saw, ATS permitted all sides to voice their opinion and question anything posted here. If it has officially become a place for only those who dispise the government, please let me know ASAP.

Your RFID chip comment made me chuckle.


No, not threatened just aggravated.

Why would you even want to support Police anyway? They don't do anything useful and figuring that America is a free Nation and Republic why do we have them again??

If you like Cops and "security" then move to Europe. I am perfectly capable of securing myself, figuring I do have a 2nd Amendment right to Bear Arms.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:08 PM by justamomma
-----> You are wrong to side with the cops. hahaha

Thank the gods there are some who "get it" on here. History has shown time and again that the most effective protests begin in the life of the individuals and education (protests like we see now a days do nothing to educate, but actually tend to turn others off).

I am not sure what the point of these public protests are supposed to be doing as far as getting the government out of your lives. It is about as moronic as someone coming across a grizzly bear that is looking the other way and instead of effectively trying to "remove" oneself from the situation, they run toward it with a small stick screaming "I know you are going to kill me you bastard! I just *know* it." And if the retard was one of these ppl protesting and by some small miracle survived the grizzly's provoked attack, they would complain... "omg! look at what it did to me. I didn't do anything to deserve this." dumb arse

HELLO!!! You don't like being controlled, but yet you are proving to them and everyone else that you NEED TO BE CONTROLLED!!!

If you believe you are free, then you are. The most effective way to make it known that you don't need to be controlled is to become self sufficient as an individual and then as small communities. Hit them where it hurts effectively. Running around in the streets is only effective in getting their grip to tighten.

The protests are empty words and empty actions. It is all for show. They do nothing to prove that you deserve your freedoms.




[edit on 27-8-2008 by justamomma]


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:31 PM by justamomma
reply to post by dalan.



Yes, there is! It is the "wrong" placed in there without stipulations that makes it funny.

Let's say there is a hostage situation where a man is holding a gun to the head of a 3 year old child. A police officer effectively sneaks up behind the gunman while he is distracted by other cops and is able to take him down thereby saving the life of that innocent baby.

By your statement, it is wrong to side with the police officer.

"Police" is merely a label. The label does not make the MAN good or bad per se. His actions cannot be defined as good or bad across the board simply bc he has a uniform and badge that identify him as a Police officer.

It is the ignorance in your statement that was worthy of a good and




[edit on 27-8-2008 by justamomma]


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:38 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by dalan.



It is the fact that America is a free nation that is the very reason we need the police. Freedom is not absence of laws nor does it exactly lend itself to the honor system of following a set of societal rules. There is freedom and then there is anarchy. The only difference between anarchy and fascism is that in anarchy it is the lawless who are ravaging the victims whereas in fascism it is the government doing it. Anarchy is merely freedom with no police or law enforcement. Not the America I want to live in and certainly not the America our founding fathers envisioned.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:47 PM by dalan.
reply to post by justamomma



Then someone should have shot the guy before he got to the child.

Problem solved.





[edit on 8/27/2008 by dalan.]



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:49 PM by dalan.
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to
post by dalan.



It is the fact that America is a free nation that is the very reason we need the police. Freedom is not absence of laws nor does it exactly lend itself to the honor system of following a set of societal rules. There is freedom and then there is anarchy. The only difference between anarchy and fascism is that in anarchy it is the lawless who are ravaging the victims whereas in fascism it is the government doing it. Anarchy is merely freedom with no police or law enforcement. Not the America I want to live in and certainly not the America our founding fathers envisioned.



I didn't say we had to live in a "lawless" society.

I said I don't need Cops to protect me, I'm an American, I can carry a gun.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:59 PM by burdman30ott6
reply to post by dalan.



Yeah, not only can I carry one, but I do carry one. That's besides the point, however. What happens when we have a minor altercation between people that escalates into folks pulling the firearms and people being shot to death in the streets? No cops anymore, so there goes the idea of anyone being arrested and brought to justice... guess it is up to the friends and relatives of the deceased to dole out some justice, so off they go to take down the shooter. Uh-oh, now the shooter has been killed, so his friends and relatives are pissed off and looking for justice. See the cycle?


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 03:23 PM by justamomma
reply to post by dalan.



Are you kidding me? What if he didn't do anything to warrant being shot before he grabbed the child?

The cops are not the problem! There are CASES where A cop is the problem, but the main problem is some of the laws that they HAVE to protect. You can't fault all cops bc of the laws. And you can't fault all of them bc of the actions of a few power trippers. There are regular joes who have power trips, so am I now to be anti everybody? (hmm.. actually )

Why are you so ignorant to the fact that freedom comes with responsibility? I do agree that cops should not be protecting us from ourselves, but I am all in favor of them taking control of situations where one person is imposing onto anothers right to life and its pursuits.

I am all for us being allowed to arm ourselves and to protect ourselves from crime, but I am also going to opt for someone with more experience handling situations such as the one I mentioned and enforcing a punishment on the said perp.

You just don't get it. Your ignorance is a shining example of one of the reasons why this country is going in the direction that it is
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