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Originally posted by MaximRecoil
Evolution is one of the hokiest theories ever. It is also typically presented as a "bait & switch". It can be proven that evolution, at least on a certain scale, does happen, and that's the "bait". The theory that life as we know it today evolved from a single celled organism; that is the "switch".
You see things like this all time. For example, someone might say "Evolution is just a theory", and someone else will holler "No, evolution is a fact!" Another pet response is "Gravity is also just a theory!"
This is classic bait & switch. Again, evolution is indeed a fact, but the theories about what it has accomplished are simply theories. The same goes for gravity. Gravity is a fact, but the theories surrounding how it works are of course, theories.
I believe that evolution is limited to the information present in the gene pool for any given type of organism, and for each type of organism, if you could go back in time far enough, you would find an original of each type that was coded by someone. I don't believe that any complex design happens without direction.
Then we have abiogenesis which is even more hokey than the theory of evolution. The idea that the building blocks of life can be assembled into life, complete with a metabolism and reproductive capability, with nothing more than random, undirected, mechanismless energy is absurd. Disassemble anything you have at home, and then hit it with any form of random energy you want, and see if it reassembles itself. Do it with something incredibly simple even, such as a bottle and a cap that are separated from each other. See if you can get the cap to screw itself onto the bottle. Use electricity, wind, set it out in the sun ... whatever. Now try it with something a lot more complex, like say, a completely disassembled gun. However, a little directed energy makes it easy. Your brain directs your muscles in specific manners of motion and you can assemble anything given the proper knowledge and capabilities. Secular science would have you believe that random, undirected processes completely lacking in intelligence, can invent far more impressive things (e.g., life) than humans (who have intelligence as a means of directing energy) can.
So anyway, I don't believe that humans evolved from apes, nor do I believe that humans and apes share a common ancestor. Apes evolved from apes, and humans evolved from humans. None of the evolution has resulted in anything more complex; but rather, it has resulted in various specializations and an overall loss of information due to mutations, bottlenecks, etc. All of the variations have come from various combinations of the information in the original gene pool of any given kind of organism (i.e., no new information has been generated through evolution).
You can get a poodle from a wolf, but you can never get a wolf from a poodle. The wolf has enough information in its gene pool to create all of the known types of domestic dogs (either through artifical or natural selection), but each of those types of domestic dogs only has a specialized slice of the wolf's information. Evolution is a means of splitting and reordering existing information, not a means of generating new information (new information comes from intelligence).
Originally posted by Phage
For about the 1 million two hundred thirty third thousandth time:
Humans did not evolve from apes.
Humans and apes have a common ancestor.
[edit on 26-8-2008 by Phage]
All life is complex. Simply the ability to reproduce and metabolize indicates a certain degree of complexity. Man can not create life from inorganic matter, which speaks volumes in itself.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by MaximRecoil
Regarding abiogenesis, "life" did not come into existence with any remotely complex capabilities. Proto-life was incredibly primitive compared to what we observe in the world today. Not only this, but it took over a billion years of evolution just to come up with primitive forms of algae. So do not speak like these things happen over night.
Did you read my post or just skim it? I said this:
Also, if evolution is only limited to what is currently in the gene pool for a particular species, are you saying mutations do not occur????
Furthermore, please explain what the function of vestigial structures are, since according to you, they are not an artifact of evolutionary change.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
if evolution is so bunk,
how do diseases become resistant to our medicines?
how do bugs become resistant to our pesticides?
how come when a man and woman get it on, and have a kid, that the kid looks slightly different than their parents?
Can anyone say Genetic Mutations? Hence evolution.
seriously you guys need to think about this for a minute.
Originally posted by xion329alpha
I personally believe humans are a cross between pigs and chimps.
Originally posted by the_watcher
what pray tell me does science have to say about the fact that when humans begin life as an embryo the embryo is reptilian.. and why do we humans carry a reptillian gene.. did we pick this up from walking with the dinos..
I'll tell you the honest truth here.
I have not run across this in any official scientific journal. It seems vaguely familiar to some hoax about how human babies seem to look like various animals, at various stages of development, within the mother's womb, but, as stated earlier, it was a proven hoax.
I will do some research and see what I can find. Now that you bring it up I'm actually quite curious about this.
Part of the human ear evolved from jaw bones of our reptilian ancestors, according to a new mammal fossil find.
Three tiny bones found in the middle ear of all mammals are widely thought to have evolved from bones that in reptiles form part of the lower jaw. However, no fossil demonstrating the transition were known until now.
Researchers reported today in the British journal Nature that Yanoconodon allini, a newly-unearthed ancient mammal from China, has ear bones that appear to be at an intermediate stage.
Painstaking anatomical studies in the early 1900s suggested that the middle ear bones of mammals and the jaws of reptiles share the same origin. "We can trace this developmental process in developing mammalian embryos," said Luo. "In the early embryonic stage of modern mammals, the middle ear was still attached to the jaw. Later, the middle ear becomes separated from the jaw, and … starts the adult function