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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:40 PM by easynow

reply to post by gormly

Personally, I rather be silent or neutral than regarded as ignorant.

i think you should heed your own words...

saying the Italian goverment is ignorant or not very smart for doing this is ...ignorant

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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:52 PM by chapter29

reply to post by gormly

Arsenal unknown to the other big three...?!!! Are you crazy?!!! Oops, sorry, wrong context...

The Smart governments do indeed understand the possibility of E.T. UFO's, and this may be part of the disclosure process...and no, I do not know this, but if the PTB had a schedule to follow and an agenda, countries such as Italy may be part of it...have them recognize the issue, making it easier for other world powers to inform their populace of the truth - if there is a truth.

You have the Vatican recently putting out a PSA saying that belief in aliens is good-to-go because aliens are goD's children too... well, if that isn't a possible part of a very slow and sanitized disclosure (dichotomy?), then I would really like to know the reasoning behind those words...

So you may not agree on the WHY it is BIG news, but you may also want to consider this possible angle.

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 02:57 PM by Scramjet76

reply to post by easynow

People always want ufologists to show them a "smoking gun." That is just a lame copout for "I don't care" or "I don't believe you." If one is really interested in the nature of reality then they need to do more reading than romance novels, cook books, and readers digest.

No one forced me to believe in UFOs. No one showed me a smoking gun. Things fell into place the more I read and researched the subject matter.

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 03:09 PM by easynow

reply to post by Scramjet76

will the smoking gun really convince the non-believers or some skeptics when it actually show's up ? probably not imo.

i have been interested in this subject for many years and have read many things and done some research on my own but if it wasn't for my own experience of having a close encounter of the second kind i might not be as interested as i am.

so i have some sympathy for people that are either un-informed or skeptical.

the out right debunkers are the ones that i find the most entertaining...

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 03:40 PM by Scramjet76

reply to post by easynow

so i have some sympathy for people that are either un-informed or skeptical.

Yeah so do I. For me it wasn't just reading/research either. I have an aunt who witnessed a flying disc close up in the 1960s. She was not predisposed to sci-fi topics or alternative subjects. She was a devout catholic so how she came up with a spinning metallic disc is beyond me. If she wanted to concoct a story why not say she saw Jesus or Mary?

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 04:54 PM by rickyrrr

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
reply to post by internos

So after all of this and it is still remains unexplained?

Hmmmmm not much to see here....

And do you not feel like asking why? why would they do that? why France? why Brazil? Why Mexico? Why did the Vatican made that announcement about how it is "OK" to believe in extraterrestrial life? Why now (within months of one another)?

If you ask me, it is too much of a coincidence for these many countries to start bringing this up and the question "why" is justified. I don't presume to have the answer, but there is something to it, and whatever it is, the implication is that it's not "ours".

If it was classified tech that belongs to Italy, then they would already know what it is and it would not be reported as unidentified, it would be kept secret, or it would be widely known technology. If it was technology suspected to belong to other nations (e.g. spy planes from Russia) then it would be a matter of investigation and for national security reasons it would be kept secret until they could figure it out. So we can deduct what it is not, And we can infer that what is prompting these disclosures is "something". We can also infer that whatever that "Something" is it has international influence. Maybe it's all a big joke elaborated by the PTB?? Maybe it's just all done for entertainment reasons?? What else do you think could be prompting these disclosures in that many countries within such a time span? Draw your own conclusions without resorting to an overly elaborate explanation (such as a massive conspiracy by the entertainment industry meant to legitimize UFO's) and see where it leads you.

-rrr

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 05:06 PM by rickyrrr

Originally posted by gormly

Personally, I rather be silent or neutral than regarded as ignorant.

What other people regard you as should have no weight whatsoever on how you reach your conclusions.

-rrr

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 05:16 PM by Symbiote

Originally posted by rickyrrr
And do you not feel like asking why? why would they do that? why France? why Brazil? Why Mexico? Why did the Vatican made that announcement about how it is "OK" to believe in extraterrestrial life? Why now (within months of one another)?

That is an excellent question.

You might want to Google "Project Blue Beam". Some of the material is wayyyy out there, but it makes for an interesting read.

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 05:22 PM by rickyrrr

Originally posted by Symbiote

That is an excellent question.

You might want to Google "Project Blue Beam". Some of the material is wayyyy out there, but it makes for an interesting read.

Thanks, I am familiar with Project Blue Beam. It's a bit too much for me personally. But that would be a matter for another thread.

-rrr

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 08:03 PM by studioguy2002

Dont even waste your time looking for information on any goverment web site. I belive in UFOs , but if you think the gov is going to give you info on anything thats not in there hands anymore your crazzy. It belongs to the big boys on corperate hill, the industrial GIANTS that are in control of everything including the pollitiions. If you want to ride in a UFO, your going to have to become a member of the COUNSEL ON FOURIN RELATIONS. And learn how to do big busness with the private bankers of the world. The new fedral reserve as of 1913. WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE ITS TO LATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 08:10 PM by AntisepticSkeptic

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
reply to post by internos

So after all of this and it is still remains unexplained?

Hmmmmm not much to see here....

And do you not feel like asking why? why would they do that? why France? why Brazil? Why Mexico? Why did the Vatican made that announcement about how it is "OK" to believe in extraterrestrial life? Why now (within months of one another)?

If you ask me, it is too much of a coincidence for these many countries to start bringing this up and the question "why" is justified. I don't presume to have the answer, but there is something to it, and whatever it is, the implication is that it's not "ours".

If it was classified tech that belongs to Italy, then they would already know what it is and it would not be reported as unidentified, it would be kept secret, or it would be widely known technology. If it was technology suspected to belong to other nations (e.g. spy planes from Russia) then it would be a matter of investigation and for national security reasons it would be kept secret until they could figure it out. So we can deduct what it is not, And we can infer that what is prompting these disclosures is "something". We can also infer that whatever that "Something" is it has international influence. Maybe it's all a big joke elaborated by the PTB?? Maybe it's just all done for entertainment reasons?? What else do you think could be prompting these disclosures in that many countries within such a time span? Draw your own conclusions without resorting to an overly elaborate explanation (such as a massive conspiracy by the entertainment industry meant to legitimize UFO's) and see where it leads you.

-rrr

Just to make everything clear.

UFOS ARE NOT ETS.

The vaticans came up with their own conclusions. Well they believe in something that does not exist and something that doesn't have any proof of it's existence - GOD. So I'm not surprised.

The italian Air Force discloses that UFOS exist. And they remain unexplained -period.

So why don't they come up with a conclusion that they are ETs?

Why disclose at all if they know it was ETs?

Why say "We know they are UFOs" and not "We know they are ETs"

It's because they don't have the evidence that points and proves to the existence of ETs. Apparently they are smart and critical enough not to leap to any wild conclusions. Unlike some 'certain groups' of people.

It seems that some people in here are easily offended that someone is pointing to the obvious, that the possibility of ETs visiting us is not probable, just like God is not probable.

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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 08:39 PM by easynow

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic

Just to make everything clear.

UFOS ARE NOT ETS.

ok so just because you say that , that means it must be true right ?

guess what...you have no proof that they are not so your conclusive viewpoint is unfounded and ignorant. nice try though

this thread is not to debate the existence of God either.

The italian Air Force discloses that UFOS exist. And they remain unexplained -period.

you got that one correct...UNEXPLAINED

So why don't they come up with a conclusion that they are ETs?

are you really that simple minded ?

come on man, get real..... nobody is saying the Italian Military has concluded that UFO's are E.T. and to do so would be unjustified with out the conclusive proof that people like you need.

Why say "We know they are UFOs" and not "We know they are ETs"

because just like YOU they probably don't really know either way.

It seems that some people in here are easily offended that someone is pointing to the obvious, that the possibility of ETs not visiting us is not probable, just like God is not probable.

can you prove or do you have any evidence whatsoever that the possibility's of E.T.'s visiting us is not probable ?

you can't prove or disprove an unknown is my point so quit acting like you know all the answers.

it's obvious that someone like you will never believe in God or E.T.'s unless you have some physical proof and that's ok for you ...but to come up in here shoving your ignorant uneducated viewpoint down everybody's throat is a sign of your own personal insecurities.

it's obvious that you have not had experiences like others have so YOU don't know all the facts...think about that for a while

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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 08:58 PM by Sator

It's nice to see the fuzz when ITALY comes out about it...

It's about freaking time, right?

Many may not know but other countries had their own "disclosures" also.

Here in Brazil, a movement called "UFOs: Freedom of information now!" (started in 2004) actually got heard by the president and the air force.

Last year, all the air force and other agencies related to air control, welcomed a team of ufo researchers and disclosed 250 pages of classified documents dating since 1954, organized in files, one for each year.

Although nothing got really investigated due to lack of tech resources, there you have your "ok, ok, they do exist but we don't have an explanation either". But they do have A FREAKING TON of weird radar activity.

Revista UFO (or UFO Magazine) got it all covered and documented... (will take effort to translate, since it's all in portuguese only)

I also am awared that in Chile they went to a similar process of cooperation between military and ufologist, (but I'm lazy to dig it up right now, specially because I don't like spanish very much lol )

Peace

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 09:24 PM by rickyrrr

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
Just to make everything clear.

UFOS ARE NOT ETS.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

UFOs are unknown. Therefore no statement can be made about what they are or what they are not. Unless you have inside knowledge of what UFO's "really" are. In that case, I'm all ears.

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
The vaticans came up with their own conclusions. Well they believe in something that does not exist and something that doesn't have any proof of it's existence - GOD. So I'm not surprised.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Even though all religions believe in entities for which there isn't evidence, there has been no point in recent history where a major religion postulated a new class of entity in their belief system. Religious belief tends to remain stable over centuries and are only prompted to change under external pressure, such as when the catholic church was forced to acknowledge the earth was not the center of the solar system. Given this understanding of how religious institutions work, I am surprised about these recent statements.

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
The italian Air Force discloses that UFOS exist. And they remain unexplained -period.

So why don't they come up with a conclusion that they are ETs?

Why disclose at all if they know it was ETs?

Why say "We know they are UFOs" and not "We know they are ETs"

[edit on 27-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

I don't know why they would do that. Do you?

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
It's because they don't have the evidence that points and proves to the existence of ETs. Apparently they are smart and critical enough not to leap to any wild conclusions. Unlike some 'certain groups' of people.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Actually, the reason why they don't post evidence of ET's is unknown. When you reach that conclusion you assume that if any evidence existed you would have to have heard about it. How exactly do you reach that conclusion? I for one don't know what evidence they may or may not have. Given that negatives cannot be proven, you could at best say that you have no direct knowledge of any evidence. But you cannot say that somebody else has no knowledge of any evidence unless you have the ability to read minds or omniscience.

Your personal attack to 'certain groups' is not a valid argument, or an argument at all.

Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
It seems that some people in here are easily offended that someone is pointing to the obvious, that the possibility of ETs not visiting us is not probable, just like God is not probable.
[edit on 27-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

Who specifically got offended? What is this probability? How do you know these things? Can you read minds? probabilities of events for which no evidence is known about is zero divided by zero. That is undefined. So we do not know what the probability is. We *do not know*. What we do know is that there are multiple world governments acknowledging a phenomenon that they are apparently not investigating covertly like they would typically investigate reports of spy aircraft and other such threats.

My point was and still is that there appears to be a *trend* of multiple countries doing the same thing about UFO's as well as the Vatican. And this trend has taken place in a short space of time. This trend does not fit the pattern of how enemy threats are usually handled. Airspace violations are normally considered enemy threats and investigated covertly.

1. This phenomenon, whatever it is, is an objective reality that more than one government, maybe also the Vatican, has become aware of.
2. it is not being handled the way they would handle a threat from another country, like a spy airplane.

Now, reach whatever conclusion minimizes cognitive dissonance for you.

-rr

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 11:00 PM by LEAP STICK

reply to post by internos

Here I was thinking here we go again, another one with no proof of
anything what-so-ever.

But....

Somebody actually went to all the trouble of creating a bunch of
Word Documents. What more proof do you need?

Wow, amazing. NOT

reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 11:08 PM by easynow

reply to post by LEAP STICK

Somebody actually went to all the trouble of creating a bunch of
Word Documents. What more proof do you need?

Wow, amazing. NOT

the point of the thread is to show that the Italian goverment recognizes that there are ufo's flying around in their airspace.

the documents are not whats important

i saw you posted in this thread and i thought alright somebody smart see's the message here...NOT

reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 12:25 AM by AntisepticSkeptic

Originally posted by LEAP STICK
reply to post by internos

Here I was thinking here we go again, another one with no proof of
anything what-so-ever.

Yup.

You would think this thread would have at least one CLEAR footage of these UFOs from their onboard cameras.

It seems that the Italian Air Force was visited by the men in black/men in grey/CIA/black projects and took ALL of their footage.

That's a likely explanation, no?

[edit on 28-8-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]

reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 12:36 AM by easynow

reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic

You would think this thread would have at least one CLEAR footage of these UFOs from their aircraft mounted videos from their onboard cameras.

you don't get it do you ?

this thread was only to show that the Italian military AirForce recognizes that there are UFO's flying around.

this thread is not disclosure or here to entertain your need to see a video.

it seems you just want to disrupt this thread with your negativity.

is that a good explanation ? no ?

reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 02:37 AM by Anonymous ATS

I agree with the above post:

Italy makes a disclosure on the fact they are monitoring UFO activity. Currently, they may not have any video/pictures worthy, as they deem it, proof.

The country acknowledged that UNKNOWN AERIAL AIRCRAFT have been seen in which the country cannot identify.

So, discussions of origins of these vehicles (terrestial, ET, ect) is a non-issue.

reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 03:31 AM by bloodcircle

Originally posted by Scramjet76
reply to post by bloodcircle

Yes I saw the point and noted how lagnar's post came across as pretty "out there." Honestly, if people write off ufology as nonsense due to such comments then maybe they are the ones with the problem.

Anyone who bothers to do a few minutes of reading can see the main point of this thread is that the Italian Air Force acknowledges the existence of UFOs. That is what people should use to form their opinions. If they are so easily distracted by tinfoil hats, their attention span couldn't handle the complexity of the ufo problem anyways.

My point is let's not put the blame on the ufo community every time.

Thing is, we don't blame the UFO community. It is the other side of the coin who use randomly chosen statements and outlandish claims in order to deny rational discussion beyond these types of fora.

However, they are still the majority, and in order to sway them, even slightly, into listening seriously takes a bit of effort on our part also.

And back to the original point, remember you wanted to see the relation between the two posts quoted by IAttackPeople. I pointed it out.

There was no attack, from what I saw, (ironically, given his name lol) just an observation.

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