Italian Air Force discloses UFOs sightings

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The countries that are not disclosing UFos, are the countries that have them...right?

I got the point, see there we have one post saying


Which, at least to me, means that with more and more established organisations opening up to the idea of UFO's and with official organisations referring to the UFO phenomenon, hopefully it will be harder to brush of people who are involved in the discussions of UFO's as nothing more than conspiracy theorists who wear tin foil hats and point at shadows.


At least thats my interpretation of it.

THEN 3 posts later, we have

Which, ironically, appears to be the type of thing that leads people to think that everyone involved with UFO discussion is a conspiracy theorist who wears tin foil hats and points at shadows.

Point being, no matter what happens, as long as people continue to look forward to the next conspiracy, nothing will change. People interested in this topic will always be charged with lunacy.

We could have full disclosure, and then people will be lining up to profer the next big conspiracy.

Having them and admitting they exist is two completely different things. They can say they exist and its a known phenomena and at the same time have physical evidence of.

On the other hand they can do both and keep quiet.

But no country has come clean that they have "extra terrestrial" technology, and im sure they wont because as soon as they do its gonna be like white on rice

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Dude, don't take the high road when you've launched more personal attacks than the U.S. military in the last decade...

Rather than disect and analyze the issues at hand, you usually go after the OP or anyone else that has a differing opinion to yours - it's your M.O.

And don't change, by all means; please continue to represent your side of the house just as you always have...

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You make a valid point. When white men came from lands afar onto the lands of the New World, what ignited the interest of the indigenous to make contact with these mysterious people? Sure, they thought the white men were angels or demons and what have you, at least they were suddenly intrigued.

Modern day speculations of UFOs stretch to the very insane, but the more accepted ones tend to be what they appear as; teleporting, phase shifting, time traveling, even non-physicality. Just as you used the round earth theory as an analogy to peoples reaction when told the truth, what makes the mentioned properties of UFOs any more insane than round earth was in the 1600s?

Imagination is a powerful tool, used sensibly.

Any disclosure is better than no disclosure, I guess. These releases are usually full of textbook sightings with no intrigue and the far-fetched 'man and his dog' style. The UK release was, for me, mainly banal apart from the airport and the police sightings in London (for example). I expect the Italian release to be much the same.

It's often hoped that full disclosure and full official acknowledgment of UFOs will be forthcoming. I think these releases are more about acknowledging the public interest than the phenomena

The story is very simple: we have yet another government dedicating a section to the UFO phenomenon: this CANNOT be ignored. The cases are not that interesting as i for first recognized but remember that it is a governative website: it's like finding a UFO section in some NASA.GOV website or something like that. Don't expect to find anything serious there: by the way: what happened to CNES GEIPAN cases? And what happened to the UK MOD cases? And : what happened to project Blue book? : what happened to Project Sign? : what happened to project Grudge? DO someone really expect to find some real cases there? Something new was found? And if yes... WHAT? When a government releases stuff like this, to analyze the cases is a waste of time, cause there's nothing to see there We have to see it by the political view: a phenomenon is being recognized worldwide, this is what France, UK and Italy are saying mates: we can choose to IGNORE it or to accept it, but the truth is that Europe is going toward the same direction: an official website of the italian air force which dedicates a section to UFOs is a GREAT news, regardless what it publishes: what were we supposed tio find? Some alien bodies? Roswell did NOT happen in Europe: let's focus on the news: the news is that european governments, within ONE YEAR are acknowledging this beloved phenomenon and i am happy for that, i don't ask for more

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I'm totally agree with my friend internos, this is a great news. Italy is a country with a rich history of unexplained mass sighting.

Another excellent thread by one of ATS finest.

Disclosure IS coming, I refuse to listen to others that say its not. So much is happening at the moment, so much that cannot be ignored and brushed to one side. Life is changing and we are part of it. The next couple of years are going to be one hell of a ride.

On a side note I don't know why one particular member has to come in to threads and try to derail it and cause mayhem....I think you know who I am talking about.

Wow, good find.

Here is the Google link for all you English-speaking type people.

English translation

The links should work transparently...

Well to be correct, it is not a real disclose as it was "Officialy"well known that the IF was gathering and collecting ufo reports from abt 10 years,and their annaul reports are available on the internet from many time.
What is new is the fact that as the OP said their radar reports have been pubblicated.
But hey guys why are you all surprised?That the ufo's area real it's a fact what is unknown is their origin/nature which it doesnt automatically mean "ALIENS".

i clicked on the 2007 one, it is just a form??

yep it is just a form,and by the way it seems that in 2007 "NO SIGHTIGS OCCURED" haahha just ridiculous.

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Yesterday it was a Word document, just like the other files, with just three cases one in each month, for July, August and September.

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Yes I saw the point and noted how lagnar's post came across as pretty "out there." Honestly, if people write off ufology as nonsense due to such comments then maybe they are the ones with the problem.

Anyone who bothers to do a few minutes of reading can see the main point of this thread is that the Italian Air Force acknowledges the existence of UFOs. That is what people should use to form their opinions. If they are so easily distracted by tinfoil hats, their attention span couldn't handle the complexity of the ufo problem anyways.

My point is let's not put the blame on the ufo community every time.

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good point Scramjet76,

that is what should be focused upon and not the ufo reports.

i am still interested in the reports they have filed but like internos said they are not that great and is not really the reason for starting this thread.

for a goverment to have that on their military website does say alot to me.

I think the easiest way for a country to not disclose their UFO investigations is to basically come out into the open like this and make a site of "disclosures". I really hope this is not the case, I want to see the game Mass Effect become a reality before I die.

Hello there my brother! This IS good news. I wish I could say more than whats already been said. But this is another another step up a very big ladder. Despite what others may think it is progress.

While I agree that this is BIG news, I do not agree as to "why"

many of you believe this "news" amounts to some proof that governments (and 4 or 5 others someone said??) are taking UFO's seriously or that they might have some proof...

The only thing this means to me is...

1. Governments are made up of people, people like you and me, sometimes rational, sometimes not.. like you and me.
In some cases, these people get to positions of power.

2. Russia, China and the USA are VERY good at disinformation and covering up covert programs and aero advancements with "UFO" talk and speculation.


So in my opinion this just means that the Italians (Government) aren't really all that smart. I would be a tad more leary of them now.

The smart governments realize that along with the possibility of extra terrestrial craft (yes, I believe it is"possible") the likelyhood that it is actually a sighting is in fact low, as it is more likely a part of one of the big three's unknown arsenal.


Personally, I rather be silent or neutral than regarded as ignorant.