Obama rumors - GOP tactics 2000-2004-2008 - derailing debate, page

If William Jefferson Clinton was America's first "black" president, could it be that Barack Obama is positioning himself to be the nation's first "gay" president?

townhall.com...

I am an Obama supporter and I have been hearing this on ATS recently

Seems certain Republican tacticians have the moral fortitude of used toilet paper.

In fact Mccain got a taste of this type of whisper smear job in 2000...

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.”

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.

www.bartcopnation.com...


There is also the claim that Barrack Obama is secretly a Muslim...

I'm sure most of you guys have heard about this stuff here on ATS.

Frankly I find it very interesting that the current rumors about Barrack and the
2000 rumors about Mccain are very similar. In both instances the allegations are
intended to breed off of peoples intolerance and prejudices. It seems there is an audience for this garbage and sadly the proof is hear on ATS.

If you step back, it is relatively clear that there is a very methodical pattern
being used in this election cycle as usual. This whisper tactic seems to be the hallmark corner stone of the past two Republican campaigns'( Although it seems Mccain has had a taste of this in the past.)

Erode the character of the man by planting and propagating innuendo and doubt.

Attack positive attributes and plant negative notions in their place.

And once again all of this manipulation is achieved by taping into peoples fear,
preconceived notions, status quo, racism and silent bigotry.

Great examples

TERROR ( they gonna git you )

HE's A MUSLIM

HE's GAY

HE has a black baby

HE's a communist

HE's black and must be a racist

He's an Elitists ( Mr Mccains wife who is richer then god )

ON and ON and ON

Often I hear righties on here who seem completely oblivious or secretly in cahoots
with this reoccurring theme. I feel certain that this "device" is as intentional as any act can get.


This is the most important election of this century (you know) and once again ...

In 2004 the swift boating of KERRY changed the tide, put him on the defensive ( of an attribute to boot ) which sidelined the issue based elections we all desire. Old Kerry's campaign had to use time and resources to deflect the attacks. This kept KERRY busy which allowed for less focus to be placed on
debatable substantive issues.

A group funded by the biggest Republican campaign donor in Texas began running an attack ad Aug. 5 in which former Swift Boat veterans claim Kerry lied to get one of his two decorations for bravery and two of his three purple hearts.

www.factcheck.org...




Once again in 2008 we have the same tactics under a different disguise.

I don't need to further specify on these, I'm sure you are aware.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...


In this case Obama is an elitist, muslim yada ya.
Now it is very visible that the Obama camp is trying to strategize around this.
As of recent, now Obama is playing both defense and offense. The mud has been tossed and this election season has been derailed once again in the most predictable fashion.

Same beans - different label.

I have seen it for three cycles now and I need no more convincing. This is the most obvious, deliberate yet unrecognized of modern political conspiracies.

All you need is fear, prejudice, innuendo and base psychology to rally the party.

And its seems the main focus for Bush and now Mccain is to keep this war going... for a generation???

Mean while our country is on the verge and all the focus of this entire election is going to be is who is more "ELITE".

Can anyone give me a good reason not to believe any of this?






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Originally posted by seagull
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I apologize if I gave the impression that I thought that...looking back at it, that's indeed what I implied. Sorry.

Those comments were aimed at those who because they read it on a pro McCain site, or a pro Obama site, it must be the gospel truth. Because the supporters of a certain candidate wouldn't lie to us, would they.

I suppose what I'm saying is: Don't believe everything you read, especially during this silliest of seasons.

In your opinion would you give the same advice to someone who got information on an ANTI OBAMA - ANTI MCCAIN site?


I mean less hearing and watching someone say it ???? What's true anymore?

Further more if everything can be spun???

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Do you REALLY think this is just a GOP tactic and the democrats are as pure and white as the wind driven snow?

I'm so sick of everything the Republicans do labeled as attacks, smears and tactics; while Democrat's attacks are always painted as somehow legitimate.

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I gave you a star for this thread. The hard right knows they have (and never really have had) anything of substance to run on other than a bad attitude therefore they can't run on the issues because they are so off the mainstream that the only ones who would vote for them are themselves. As a political and social force the hard right is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

So they run smear campaigns and try and soil their opposition that it totally obscures the issues, and then and only then do they have a real shot at power.

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Why so surprised?

Republicans are:

-pro life yet pro death penalty,
-pro constitution yet pro-christian focused laws as well,
-Pro individual freedom yet anti individual freedom for women,
-pro old-republican values yet pro war,
-they accuse Obama of being a muslim then they accuse him of being a racist christian,
-They call him an elitist yet they call him a marxist and McCain cant remember howmany houses he has,

I could go on about the hypocrisy coming from the republican party but really who could bother to write such a long list?

As I said before, the very fact Ron Paul, the only true conservative candidate in the Republican party lost with a mere 8% vote shows us that nobody votes for the republican party for conservative values any longer.



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Not suprised. I think that when the dirt flies it flies. I don't know much about your system, but it looks like republicanism could do with a period out while they sort out the whole neo-con theory. I hate you too hear another joke about your president, but he commands no respect except for the size of his gun. There will be good people in that party fighting the fight, and John McCain is one of them to my limited understanding and they basically have to respect the fact that everyone is educated now and do know good faith from bad. It's not narrow self interest, if you randomly do nice things sometimes, it reaps rewards thrice.

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withdrawing from Iraq to send to Afghanistan. They are not coming home. There will be a residual force in Iraq and troops stationed close by. This isn't an attempt to do what you say. It is just to show that Obama is just as likely as anyone to take us into a war.

I have yet to see a guarantee where he promises not to get involved in a war. No President could make that kind of promise. All are capable of getting us involved in a war.

Obama used to say I will bring the troops home. He doesn't say it anymore.

First, while Obama is playing armchair general, second-guessing why there is an Taliban offensive in Afghanistan, the reality is that this is a result of the U.S. success in Iraq. Al-Qaida forces fleeing Iraq have been redeployed inside Afghanistan staging a last desperate stand in its own back yard.

Secondly, the offense in Afghanistan is a failure for al-Qaida because it was a trap that they have fallen into. The Taliban and al-Qaida forces have not been successful in anything but short spurts and withdrawals. They have been forced from all the gains that they made with the extra forces, taking great numbers of casualties. In fact the terrorists have lost several top members of the leadership.


Third, redeploying the forces from Iraq is not only a logistic nightmare but also the wrong kind of tactics for the Afghan theater. The heavy armor and tank forces deployed in Iraq are not only useless in the mountainous Afghanistan; they would be easy targets for insurgent attacks. The Army ground mobile units in Iraq are designed to fight in the open desert and in crowded cities, neither of which are the main battlegrounds of Afghanistan.

Finally, there is the political factor at home. What Obama does not say about his supporters is the fact that they not only oppose the war in Iraq but they also oppose the war in Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by jam321
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withdrawing from Iraq to send to Afghanistan. They are not coming home. There will be a residual force in Iraq and troops stationed close by. This isn't an attempt to do what you say. It is just to show that Obama is just as likely as anyone to take us into a war.

I have yet to see a guarantee where he promises not to get involved in a war. No President could make that kind of promise. All are capable of getting us involved in a war.

Obama used to say I will bring the troops home. He doesn't say it anymore.

Exactly, he will turn 20,000 of those troops to Afghanistan where the hunt for Osama Bin Laden was initially planned. The Iraq war has been draining money from the tax payer, focus needs to be put back onto Afghanistan, focus on the war terrorism.

www.youtube.com...
The vast majority of troops will come back home and a fraction will be turned to Afghanistan where their needed.

His damn right on that one, all Bush has done is distract us from the real war in Afghanistan and McCain here intends to do no different.

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