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posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 03:14 AM
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If William Jefferson Clinton was America's first "black" president, could it be that Barack Obama is positioning himself to be the nation's first "gay" president?


townhall.com...

I am an Obama supporter and I have been hearing this on ATS recently


Seems certain Republican tacticians have the moral fortitude of used toilet paper.

In fact Mccain got a taste of this type of whisper smear job in 2000...


Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.”



Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.


www.bartcopnation.com...


There is also the claim that Barrack Obama is secretly a Muslim...

I'm sure most of you guys have heard about this stuff here on ATS.

Frankly I find it very interesting that the current rumors about Barrack and the
2000 rumors about Mccain are very similar. In both instances the allegations are
intended to breed off of peoples intolerance and prejudices. It seems there is an audience for this garbage and sadly the proof is hear on ATS.

If you step back, it is relatively clear that there is a very methodical pattern
being used in this election cycle as usual. This whisper tactic seems to be the hallmark corner stone of the past two Republican campaigns'( Although it seems Mccain has had a taste of this in the past.)

Erode the character of the man by planting and propagating innuendo and doubt.

Attack positive attributes and plant negative notions in their place.

And once again all of this manipulation is achieved by taping into peoples fear,
preconceived notions, status quo, racism and silent bigotry.

Great examples

TERROR ( they gonna git you )

HE's A MUSLIM

HE's GAY

HE has a black baby

HE's a communist

HE's black and must be a racist

He's an Elitists ( Mr Mccains wife who is richer then god )

ON and ON and ON

Often I hear righties on here who seem completely oblivious or secretly in cahoots
with this reoccurring theme. I feel certain that this "device" is as intentional as any act can get.


This is the most important election of this century (you know) and once again ...

In 2004 the swift boating of KERRY changed the tide, put him on the defensive ( of an attribute to boot ) which sidelined the issue based elections we all desire. Old Kerry's campaign had to use time and resources to deflect the attacks. This kept KERRY busy which allowed for less focus to be placed on
debatable substantive issues.


A group funded by the biggest Republican campaign donor in Texas began running an attack ad Aug. 5 in which former Swift Boat veterans claim Kerry lied to get one of his two decorations for bravery and two of his three purple hearts.


www.factcheck.org...




Once again in 2008 we have the same tactics under a different disguise.

I don't need to further specify on these, I'm sure you are aware.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...


In this case Obama is an elitist, muslim yada ya.
Now it is very visible that the Obama camp is trying to strategize around this.
As of recent, now Obama is playing both defense and offense. The mud has been tossed and this election season has been derailed once again in the most predictable fashion.

Same beans - different label.

I have seen it for three cycles now and I need no more convincing. This is the most obvious, deliberate yet unrecognized of modern political conspiracies.

All you need is fear, prejudice, innuendo and base psychology to rally the party.

And its seems the main focus for Bush and now Mccain is to keep this war going... for a generation???

Mean while our country is on the verge and all the focus of this entire election is going to be is who is more "ELITE".


Can anyone give me a good reason not to believe any of this?






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posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 03:20 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I would encourage you, and others, to start ignoring the ads, and slanted, in which ever direction, commentary, and start listening for yourself. The speeches are, for the most part, available on the internet, without any commentary. Don't let the news media, bloggers, whomever, decide for you.

Listen with both ears, then use your brain and decide for yourself. You support Obama, good for you...if others support McCain, good for them. Just make sure your decision was made by YOU, not FOR you...that is after all what these sites are designed to do, keep you from thinking, and just react...




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by seagull
I would encourage you, and others, to start ignoring the ads, and slanted, in which ever direction, commentary, and start listening for yourself. The speeches are, for the most part, available on the internet, without any commentary. Don't let the news media, bloggers, whomever, decide for you.

Listen with both ears, then use your brain and decide for yourself. You support Obama, good for you...if others support McCain, good for them. Just make sure your decision was made by YOU, not FOR you...that is after all what these sites are designed to do, keep you from thinking, and just react...




I have not let anyone decide for me...
But I am concerned that this pattern is leading this country on a winding road to nowhere -------- and a 25 year + war.-------



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 03:48 AM
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I am very good at research Mental, have a very strong background in research and problem-solving.

When you do as much trouble-shooting as I have, whether programmatically or otherwise, you learn to quickly discern facts from hype.

You also learn to make connections quicker and on multiple levels.

The average American (or anywhere) are not like this, they depend on what they read from someone else to get them the facts, and then make decsion based on evidence they identify with the most.

It's funny, because alot of my like-minded friends share the same views and we're all in the Computer Science field - national security etc.

Sift through it, put logic before emotion to arrive at the facts.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 03:52 AM
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reply to post by mental modulator
 


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I apologize if I gave the impression that I thought that...looking back at it, that's indeed what I implied. Sorry.

Those comments were aimed at those who because they read it on a pro McCain site, or a pro Obama site, it must be the gospel truth. Because the supporters of a certain candidate wouldn't lie to us, would they.

I suppose what I'm saying is: Don't believe everything you read, especially during this silliest of seasons.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by jetxnet
I am very good at research Mental, have a very strong background in research and problem-solving.

When you do as much trouble-shooting as I have, whether programmatically or otherwise, you learn to quickly discern facts from hype.

You also learn to make connections quicker and on multiple levels.

The average American (or anywhere) are not like this, they depend on what they read from someone else to get them the facts, and then make decsion based on evidence they identify with the most.

It's funny, because alot of my like-minded friends share the same views and we're all in the Computer Science field - national security etc.

Sift through it, put logic before emotion to arrive at the facts.


I know you are OBAMAS # 0 fan here... So do you honestly believe he is a closeted homosexual Islamist socialist elitists non American born angry black man.

I mean you have been A source of all of these accusations here on ATS.

Unfortunately you have posted so much stuff ( such a wide variety mind you ) that your
energies often have the opposite effect...

In your Anti Obama position wouldn't it better serve you to be more selective and focused?

I often feel like you hate Obama more than I hate Dick Chenny which is a task.

[edit on 26-8-2008 by mental modulator]



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by mental modulator
 


I apologize if I gave the impression that I thought that...looking back at it, that's indeed what I implied. Sorry.

Those comments were aimed at those who because they read it on a pro McCain site, or a pro Obama site, it must be the gospel truth. Because the supporters of a certain candidate wouldn't lie to us, would they.

I suppose what I'm saying is: Don't believe everything you read, especially during this silliest of seasons.




In your opinion would you give the same advice to someone who got information on an ANTI OBAMA - ANTI MCCAIN site?


I mean less hearing and watching someone say it ???? What's true anymore?

Further more if everything can be spun???



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 04:24 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Absolutely. If you are at all familiar with my posting, you know that I've no great love for either man, but...I also want them to get a fair shake. Both of them...not one at the expence of the other.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Don't let the blogs and commercials do your thinking for you. That's all I'm saying.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 06:59 AM
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Do you REALLY think this is just a GOP tactic and the democrats are as pure and white as the wind driven snow?

I'm so sick of everything the Republicans do labeled as attacks, smears and tactics; while Democrat's attacks are always painted as somehow legitimate.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:05 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Just a GOP tactic? Where have I ever said that? I've said repeatedly, that sites about both candidates for or against are useless in making your decision. Listen to what they say with your ears and do your own thinking. Don't let so called pundits and experts tell you what the candidates think...

You've read enough of my posts here...I hope
, that you know I think little of either party, though I am by inclination concervative...

The democrats are pure as driven something, but it ain't snow. Same applies to the republicans.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:13 AM
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I gave you a star for this thread. The hard right knows they have (and never really have had) anything of substance to run on other than a bad attitude therefore they can't run on the issues because they are so off the mainstream that the only ones who would vote for them are themselves. As a political and social force the hard right is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

So they run smear campaigns and try and soil their opposition that it totally obscures the issues, and then and only then do they have a real shot at power.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:25 AM
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What makes you so sure that Obama won't keep us in a war for 25 years+?

He has already went on record that he would go into Pakistan to get Osama, says military force is not off the tables on Iran, and is hinting heavily about getting involved in Darfur, on top of continuing( expanding) the war in Afghanistan.

Sounds to me that he is just as likely to take us to war just like any other president would. He is not a pacifist by any means. he just doesn't like dumb wars. I'm sure he wouldn't classify any of his wars as dumb.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
What makes you so sure that Obama won't keep us in a war for 25 years+?

He has already went on record that he would go into Pakistan to get Osama, says military force is not off the tables on Iran, and is hinting heavily about getting involved in Darfur, on top of continuing( expanding) the war in Afghanistan.

Sounds to me that he is just as likely to take us to war just like any other president would. He is not a pacifist by any means. he just doesn't like dumb wars. I'm sure he wouldn't classify any of his wars as dumb.


We all know Obama will be withdrawing troops once he is elected. One of the major tactics used by righties to smear their opponent is to mark them as "no different" from the current ones in government even at times when it may contradict their other smear messages. Iv been see plenty of thread lately stating that "Bushes ass will protected under Obama" purposefully missing out McCain and his relationship. There also plenty of fake Ron Paul supporters claiming that both candidates are the same and the party system is corrupt yet in another thread theyll be 100% anti Obama and verymuch for McCain. Its the blame game, its designed to mislead people into forgetting about bush and the last 8years.

Now we know for fact that McCain with his policy of 100years in Iraq is a promise he will indeed keep. $200 million wasted on this war a day meanwhile the economy is suffering and too make evens worse their promising tax cuts, I mean where is that money going to come from? Are you going to continue borrowing money from china to get politically ahead in the present? Why does the future generation have to pay for the incompetence of politicians today? A withdrawal from Iraq will signal yet another failed republican adminstration.

-Its a fact that Bushes ass will be covered under a McCain administration, righties cannot afford to have another republican whitehouse legacy be negative.

-we all know for fact that offshore drilling is just another ploy to pay the oil companies, there has already been years of drilling in Alaskas northern slope and nothing will come of drilling for the next ten years. John McCain even admitted this was psychological but its a tactic to give the illusion that republicans are solving the energy crises they were key in getting this nation into. And how use is it the fact that one of McCain lobbyist buddies works for an oil exploration company, his earned $50million from lobbying for his oil company over the last 10years.

And all the while the republicans hit back with more fear mongering messages referencing to "Africa", "Islam" and "terrorism", all designed to mislead the average joe. Though Bush was voted in twice and people still support this war, I dont underestimate the ignorance and stupidity of some of the american population.

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posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by mental modulator

Great examples

TERROR ( they gonna git you )

HE's A MUSLIM

HE's GAY

HE has a black baby

HE's a communist

HE's black and must be a racist

He's an Elitists ( Mr Mccains wife who is richer then god )


Can't be communist and elitist, if these lies continue start having fun with the inherant contradictions......



ON and ON and ON

Often I hear righties on here who seem completely oblivious or secretly in cahoots
with this reoccurring theme. I feel certain that this "device" is as intentional as any act can get.


Fight fire with water. Love is water. I'm not American, but I see an orgy of hate, if your delegates when voting would applaud each other..........Can't really say much more. (IMHO)



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:07 PM
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Why so surprised?

Republicans are:

-pro life yet pro death penalty,
-pro constitution yet pro-christian focused laws as well,
-Pro individual freedom yet anti individual freedom for women,
-pro old-republican values yet pro war,
-they accuse Obama of being a muslim then they accuse him of being a racist christian,
-They call him an elitist yet they call him a marxist and McCain cant remember howmany houses he has,

I could go on about the hypocrisy coming from the republican party but really who could bother to write such a long list?

As I said before, the very fact Ron Paul, the only true conservative candidate in the Republican party lost with a mere 8% vote shows us that nobody votes for the republican party for conservative values any longer.



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posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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Not suprised. I think that when the dirt flies it flies. I don't know much about your system, but it looks like republicanism could do with a period out while they sort out the whole neo-con theory. I hate you too hear another joke about your president, but he commands no respect except for the size of his gun. There will be good people in that party fighting the fight, and John McCain is one of them to my limited understanding and they basically have to respect the fact that everyone is educated now and do know good faith from bad. It's not narrow self interest, if you randomly do nice things sometimes, it reaps rewards thrice.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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withdrawing from Iraq to send to Afghanistan. They are not coming home. There will be a residual force in Iraq and troops stationed close by. This isn't an attempt to do what you say. It is just to show that Obama is just as likely as anyone to take us into a war.

I have yet to see a guarantee where he promises not to get involved in a war. No President could make that kind of promise. All are capable of getting us involved in a war.

Obama used to say I will bring the troops home. He doesn't say it anymore.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:49 PM
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Leaders win elections, the loser and the losers supporters cry foul! It's been like that since 1776 in this country. History did not begin when you were born, and it did not start since Bush became President.

Grow up! It's election year politics. Go ahead and cry about it, or tell your candidate to produce his own attack ad. America will decide who is playing dirty and who is telling the truth.

Lord Obama supporters have got to be freaking out right about now. No convention bounce...in fact McCain gained a couple of points, because of the bland day one of Lord Obama's convention.

Lord Obama will lose...and yes, there will be riots.



posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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First, while Obama is playing armchair general, second-guessing why there is an Taliban offensive in Afghanistan, the reality is that this is a result of the U.S. success in Iraq. Al-Qaida forces fleeing Iraq have been redeployed inside Afghanistan staging a last desperate stand in its own back yard.

Secondly, the offense in Afghanistan is a failure for al-Qaida because it was a trap that they have fallen into. The Taliban and al-Qaida forces have not been successful in anything but short spurts and withdrawals. They have been forced from all the gains that they made with the extra forces, taking great numbers of casualties. In fact the terrorists have lost several top members of the leadership.


Third, redeploying the forces from Iraq is not only a logistic nightmare but also the wrong kind of tactics for the Afghan theater. The heavy armor and tank forces deployed in Iraq are not only useless in the mountainous Afghanistan; they would be easy targets for insurgent attacks. The Army ground mobile units in Iraq are designed to fight in the open desert and in crowded cities, neither of which are the main battlegrounds of Afghanistan.

Finally, there is the political factor at home. What Obama does not say about his supporters is the fact that they not only oppose the war in Iraq but they also oppose the war in Afghanistan.





 

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posted on Aug, 26 2008 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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withdrawing from Iraq to send to Afghanistan. They are not coming home. There will be a residual force in Iraq and troops stationed close by. This isn't an attempt to do what you say. It is just to show that Obama is just as likely as anyone to take us into a war.

I have yet to see a guarantee where he promises not to get involved in a war. No President could make that kind of promise. All are capable of getting us involved in a war.

Obama used to say I will bring the troops home. He doesn't say it anymore.


Exactly, he will turn 20,000 of those troops to Afghanistan where the hunt for Osama Bin Laden was initially planned. The Iraq war has been draining money from the tax payer, focus needs to be put back onto Afghanistan, focus on the war terrorism.

www.youtube.com...
The vast majority of troops will come back home and a fraction will be turned to Afghanistan where their needed.

His damn right on that one, all Bush has done is distract us from the real war in Afghanistan and McCain here intends to do no different.

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