reply to post by kidflash2008
negative. negative, negative
The heat blast and radiation lasts a few seconds, every city has hardened structures that would not be internally heated in that time frame... as I
said the walls in the Bank lot behind by house are several feet thick and solid rock,
Eizo Nomura (野村 英三, Nomura Eizō?) was the closest known survivor, who was in a basement of modern "Rest House" only 100 m from ground-zero
at the time of the attack. Akiko Takakura (高蔵 信子, Takakura Akiko?) was among the closest survivors to the hypocenter of the blast. She had
been in the solidly built Bank of Hiroshima only 300 m from ground-zero at the time of the attack
The "dead zone" of the hiroshima blast, initial fire ball was about 1 Milie or over 5,000 feet
yet 300 feet or 100 meters away a woman survived by being in a basement
If any bomb is not right on you and you can get into an underground bank vault your going to live, in my case having a good couple miles leeway I'd
be fine in level 3 of a parking structure behind the vault's to the north of where the bomb will blow...
the heat will be massive as far as air but the in rushing air from the outside will pull frsh air back to fill the void within SECONDS, fall out as a
result of this will not start within a a good hlaf hr and it is reasonable to predict exactly which way it is going
Those at Hiroshima who survived that got up and walked away from the bomb zone in the right direction did NOT even suffer radiation exposure
Knowledge goes a long way,
One guy at hiroshima only 270 Meters away actually bent over in his flower garden (by coincidence) behind a large boulder and the currents took the
heat of the blast around him and he walked away being outside in his garden 1/5 of a mile from detonation
Telling people they have no hope is bs... you need to know your hardened locations and be prepared and those pills will let you walk out even if you
have a few if you pop them priior to fallout starting, a simple under 100.00 face mask and your going to be okay...
if your stuck walking in fall out you need to shield your feet and platform it because as it lands you will be irradaited from the ground, simple
disposable plastic sheets to cover yourself with and shake off will prevent radioactive particles from accumulating on you even if your stuck walking
through part of the "snow storm"
and i'm in Phx... even from Sub I'll have more than 3 minutes, maybe 10-15
the simplest of things like having even a small hardened shelter will up your chances of survival many x over unless your right in a dead zone and
even then... a woman walked out from under 300 ft in just a basement
now that's not happening in bigger bombs today the hole will be a mile on some of the larger bombs ...
but if your not dead central metrapolitan within a couple of miles and you have a shelter the heat will not if the right amount of rock is used over a
few seconds roast you inside your shelter... cool air will be rushing back in a matter of moments... 3-4 feet of Rock of the right kind will not be
melting from it or heating through instantly
if your a few miles beyond that dead zone you will have to get out...because the rock will stay hot and in shortime be like a sauna, but NOT in the
legnth of time it takes to:
avoid the fire ball and be shielded from direct radiation
after that get OUT because you have a window and if you stay calm you have time, the fall out has to float down and it takes time...
Please don't tell people gloom and doom and quote numbers and temperatures because... living proof exists and only by coincidence did the survivors
at virtual ground zero in hiroshama walk away, but with thought and planning and education a nuclear war can be survived.
The big question would be survival of the nuclear winter... you will have to move get to the country side and set up new shelter or have something
ready and it needs a DEEP Well, it takes forever for surface water to hit those depths, my estimates tell me the ground water of the coconino might be
solid for 6-8 months and maybe forever because it will be filtered trhrough 5,000 feet of rock and soil before getting there... and a good filtration
sysytem will help loads also on the way back up... ground water dpeending on how deep might be 100% viable even after a global devestation and will
not freeze in the winter, you just need to keep the pump warm, if you dig underground you can stay warm through the nuclear winter without much heat,
use your well, use what oil and kerosene or generator you have to heat specifically your well pump not you, you have internal heat, wear artic
clothing and live...
The radiation and the nuclear winter will not be that awful forever...
in 6 months your talking almost 0 radiation from rays given off by particulates, ingestion will be your only concern, water itself will not be
irradiated... and you will have nothing to do but dig and clean those months...a good gieger counter to keep particulates away and you should be
okay... we have background radiation all the time we are exposed to and can tolerate it if it is kept limited
Radiation long term is NOT your big fear...
The Nuclear Winter will be, you want to have a big enough shelter for food for 1 year with mre's as a staple that's not so hard or brutally
expensive to set up...
The Key is
within 1 week the dust cover will start to freeze everything.. most people will head low to aoid the cold...don't!!! dig in at high ground, mountain
side... elevation, sloped land...
your going to get frozen in unless you happen to live in the rain forest in Brazil... so embrace it!
The freeze will lock layer and layer of ice on that mountain, the ice age itself will last longer than a year but that's how long it will be for the
In that time frame global warming will start upping the temperatures again as the dust thins and light gets through but doesn't escape... as that ice
melts all the radio active particles 99% will have settled and it will be washed Down stream, where it will clump and settle for years as incline and
flow decreases.. a mountain side a year later will be free almost entirely of radio active dust
you will have a short grow season for a few years but you will have food you can eat...
within 5 years... welcome to your mountain paradise... no particulates will rise to that altitude on the wind, any there were will rinse off to
lowlands, global warming will last about that long and it won't be cold unless your north in a zone of a natural ice sheet... (in time 99.9% of those
particulates will be at the bottom of the ocean)
Just have enough iodine for those first 3 months and sporadic use there after (times where you need to clear your entrance of snow and open the
and own a few things, geiger counter, well water, mtn land outside the city, by the time your well from inside the mtn is tainted... the fresh
snowfall will provide fresh water
a Big bag of seeds...
I absolutely intend to survive a nuclear war, nothing is Ever hopeless
[edit on 26-8-2008 by mopusvindictus]