I had my whole dollars worth all typed out and clicked wrong key on keyboard and lost it all so ..I will try again in a shorter version ..



The bible says we cannot know the day or hour of the catching away of believers ..but we can know the times and the seasons and the signs ..only if your looking and watching for the signs,times and seasons will you know that it is near (not far off) and right at the door even ..

As far as the second coming (which is not the same as the catching away of the very few faithful remnant) it can be known from day 1 of the beginning of the seven years of tribulation to the end .......and yes there are 7 years of it ..*first half there are a sequence of events that the word says will happen ...second half another sequence of events happen ..its pretty clear to me .....and according to studying Jewish holidays and the things the Lord did on certain Jewish holidays ..that it will be on a Jewish Holiday ....they were given to the Jews to observe for a reason dont you think ?


I didnt watch the film ..I will now and comment more on what I think of it ..
It sounds interesting though and I wouldnt just discount it mainly because it sure could fit in to end times events ...................

Originally posted by tallcool1

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor

Originally posted by DarksDeception
I so do not understand people whom think there will be a rapture!

If you are a believer, as I am, I will simply say: "answer this then"

Jesus said, "Matt 24:29 - 31"

He specifically said, "after all these things have happened, I will gather my people"

So, no rapture will be until possibly 2015, which will be the end I believe!

I might be wrong, but Jesus can't be!

Thank you for posting this. This has been my own question for many years. Most of my friends are pre-trib rapture believers who think we're at the beginning of the tribulation. Matt 24 always trips me up when I start thinking they're right. But then, the point is also the not knowing, right? I've come to a "hope there's a rapture but have a Plan B" mindset. Oh me of little faith, haha.

Just to add my .02 worth, DarksDeception is correct - except for the date guess because not even Christ knows that (per His own words). A lot of people point to 1 Corinthians 15:49-55 as proof of a "rapture", but even this passage states that "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." So the dead will be raised first, then anyone left alive will be transformed.

Oh my god no! Zombies!

moocowman ...I believe that Jesus when he was in human flesh ...did not know at that time when maybe because it was not yet time for us to know that ... ..but surely he knows now ..once he ascended to the throne in heaven ...............

Forgot to add ...Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily...this helps with that puzzle ....... ............
You cannot just take one scripture and say see ....there are more pieces to the puzzle than one can find in just one verse ...................


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If one takes the time to actually read Revelation, rather than just have it spoon fed to them by their local preacher, it quite clearly says that the 144,000 people to be spared the nasty stuff are all going to be virgin Jewish males, 1,200 from each of the 12 tribes. So if you ain't one of those, you're going to be stuck in the crap with the rest of the heathens. Too bad, so sad.

I was listening to coast to coast one night a long time ago and some guy was on and talking about the end times. He said that the rapture was really a bunch of alien ships that drop by and scoop up a bunch people. Then once they have them all scooped up they take them somewhere and turn them into some kind of robot-cyborg-slaves or maybe it was food... I don't remember... it was a long time ago and I didn't pay much attention. Any one remember that show?

-Euclid

The 144,000 sealed Jewish wittnesses are those who evangelize the world as Gods plan shifts back to the Jewish people, after the Christian Church is long out of the way.

I am not sure where you got the idea from that the 144,000 were the only people raptured........ They are not raptured at all, they are converted Jews that are born again after Christ reveals Himself when He saves Israel from the coming war with Russia/Iran.

I would like to man up and personally apologise for an offensive remark I made here. I am sorry. I know better than this. If the golden ship comes in I hope they pick you up first.

AshleyD - I printed out your link too and will go over it. I guess I have my homework for the night. Now I really need to go because I was supposed to be done here at work 10 minutes ago and still have about 20 minutes worth of work left.

Revelation 4-6 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



Revelation 4
The Throne in Heaven

Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6 Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, Clear as Crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a Lion, the second was like an Ox, the third had a face like a Man, the fourth was like a flying Eagle.




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Jesussaves2008 is right about those 144,000 ..........
They are not raptured but marked by the Holy Spirit ...I believe they are the ones who will endure (They will be preserved ) unto the end and are the last of his remnant ...where the scriptures says All Israel will be saved (All Israel meaning 12,000 out of each tribe ) I think the wording was mistranslated a bit here ..because its impossible at least in my mind that he meant every Jewish person will be saved ..since many Jewish peoples I believe may make their choice of serving the creature instead of the creator .............
Well I mean its not impossible ..because surely with God all things are possible ..So I could be wrong on that ....
But I know there are more than 12,000 Jewish people in this world ..so where does that leave us ............

Some think the 12 tribes are not literal but spiritual Jews ..I am not so sure about that ...





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"stars falling from the sky" i believe this is a reference to a galatic war, in our solar neighborhod and the stars are ufos crashing into the planet.

I think you may be right ......I think the stars may possibly be in reference to the fallen angels ..showing up once and for all ..as in like an alien invasion .....



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I personally believe there will be dual fulfillments of all those events ..

What has been before will be again ..nothing new under the sun ..
History repeats itself ....................

In other words they are all right and they are also all wrong (all those pre and whatever ists lol) ..the answer lies somewhere in between ..lol ...




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Just a note...you can't find the term "rapture" in the bible, the term was made popular by John Nelson Darby of the plymouth brethren at the end of the 19th century. Aslo, the bible has been altered so much you can't be 100% sure it's true. For instance, the councel of Nicea, where Constatine I had 250-300 bishops attend and they decided what would be included or removed in the bible. Also there are alot of gnostic text you should look into, they contradict alot of what's in the bible or check out the Codex Sinaticus, the oldest bible in the world, over 1600 yrs. old. It is a very fascinating read. It just may change you interpertation of the bible and the "rapture". All in all, I agree with many who say why worry about something you cant change. If the "rapture" is, so be it.