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Actually, the description of the sixth seal matches a volcanic eruption more than an eclipse. In Daniel, it says these things are sealed up until the time of the end, and it also gives us # of days to watch for. So I think we will know, and Jesus told us many times to watch. And it also says there will be scoffers. So many are fulfilling that very prophecy! I don't believe the 2015 time line-I think we are much further along than many are aware.

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor

Originally posted by DarksDeception
I so do not understand people whom think there will be a rapture!

If you are a believer, as I am, I will simply say: "answer this then"

Jesus said, "Matt 24:29 - 31"

He specifically said, "after all these things have happened, I will gather my people"

So, no rapture will be until possibly 2015, which will be the end I believe!

I might be wrong, but Jesus can't be!

Thank you for posting this. This has been my own question for many years. Most of my friends are pre-trib rapture believers who think we're at the beginning of the tribulation. Matt 24 always trips me up when I start thinking they're right. But then, the point is also the not knowing, right? I've come to a "hope there's a rapture but have a Plan B" mindset. Oh me of little faith, haha.

Just to add my .02 worth, DarksDeception is correct - except for the date guess because not even Christ knows that (per His own words). A lot of people point to 1 Corinthians 15:49-55 as proof of a "rapture", but even this passage states that "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." So the dead will be raised first, then anyone left alive will be transformed.

Again in 1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 it states ""For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Specifically stating that the dead will be raised first. I just don't get how people such as Jack Van Impe can quote the "decending from Heaven with a shout" part as proof of a pre-trib rapture when the previous sentence clearly says the dead will be raised first.

So there really is no Biblical teaching of the rapture. In fact, there was no real teaching of this "rapture" until a 15 year old epileptic self described "prophetess" named Margret McDonald had a "vision" of a secret rapture of the church elect. She is said to have shared this vision with John Nelson Darby who became known as the "father of dispensationalism" And from there the belief of a "secret rapture" was taught with out of context verses thrown in for backup. But these verses, in my opinion, clearly state that the dead will be raised first and then we will all be judged. No rapture for us. We will have to go through the horrors just like everyone else.

Originally posted by eNumbra
Personally, I would never worship a god who would take in people who began to pray simply because they were frightened by such a crappy video.

That is not what was being said here. As much as I don't totally believe in this rapture business I can tell you that God isn't going to take you in just because you pray. You have to accept Christ first and not under forced pretences either.

So I guess I agree with you that I wouldn't want a god like that either. I just don't think that was what his was meaning is all. I think he is trying to spread some urgency here to look at your life and hopefully come to Christ.

Personally, I don't think that would work. By this point you either are or your not. And I respect that as long as you respect my feelings. I can see where you might get angry by the thought of God trying to frighten you into believing... but I honestly don't think that was what he was saying.

Hope that helps.

That was an awesome video!..Thanks for the laugh.

I love the arrogance too btw. Since you are trying to save us and all because you are not going to be here.

If, by chance, you are still here in September would there be anything you would like to add to your thread? Would you admit to being wrong? Or are you going to change the date?

I say things are going to roll on as if normal. If I am wrong I will start a thread admitting you are correct and I am wrong. Just so you have a peace of mind while up there on your golden streets and all.

My guess is you would not admit it, but by all means, correct me if I am wrong. Also, If you are soooo concerned for the non believers here on ats that you took the time to make a video and upload it, what have you done for your loving family members?

Are they saved?..really saved? I think you should make sure...just in case. good luck.

edit to add:

It is not the belief that i find obtuse or makes me want to mock the thread. It is the arrogance of the person making the statement.

I can tell you my reaction would have been completely different if the OP took a different attitude like: "ok here is something I believe may happen in your near future."

Something like that I would find more acceptable. Without all the preachyness. I don't think people on ats come here to be preached too...
just my pennies...

[edit on 26-8-2008 by abelievingskeptic]

Originally posted by monkeybus
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Thoguht just ocured, wasnt the rapt |re stuff added, to the original bible by an old translator/printer,who wanted to| get his views and interpretations out to the worlds, by printing in the colums|, at the sides of the pages, not actually changing the bible per se~ but | actually heavily influincing million of westerners(u.s) by doing this.similar| to adding a referance to words, in a book.
-- |-----
| Or it could just be reffering to an astono
|-minal even such as a change of age
MonkeyBs |(aquarius,scorpius...)

You said what?????????????????????????? Not sure I understand?

First I would like to say I've been a long time reader of this site. I notice a lot of these threads and I have to ask myself why do people try to predict these things.

The Astronomical event you describe will happen but here's the thing, it's happened before. Everything is on a cycle. Plus the Rapture is only one interpretation of scripture. An Eclipse is witnessed only by part of the world. Is this Eclipse going to be in the Eastern Hemisphere or is going to be seen in the Western? Does it matter? Yes it does. Read your Bible. Revelation concerns the Middle East. (Just one interpretation)

Interpretation is what it all boils down to. So here is an idea I think we can all get behind. STOP BEING A DOOMSAYER AND LIVE FOR TODAY.

Why do you think the Bible says no one knows the day, minute or hour? Because we're not supposed to. We're not supposed to be thinking about the end of the world. It will happen when it happens.

The bible states that jesus says that man will not know of the imminent return of christ for his thousand year reign, so by that very quote...this thread is null and void

Originally posted by darkelf

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
haha you said rapture

there is nowhere in the bible a so called rapture

i cant wait til all those people are gone and done with then

geesh

nothing is going to happen
ok

ok good

have a nice week

The word 'rapture' comes from the Latin word 'rapturo' (Latin Bible). This was translated from the Greek word "harpazo' (original Greek) and is translated as 'catching away' in the King James Version.

So yes, the word 'rapture' is not in any English Bibles, but comes from a word in the Latin one.

Thank you for clearing that up and explaining it so well. The rapture IS in the Bible and is NOT some fictional belief made up in the 1800's.
The Bible teaches that we will be called to "come up hither" before the tribulation begins according to John as written in Revelation.
It is written we will be caught up in the "twinkling of an eye" to meet the Lord "in the air".
In 2 Thessalonians Paul writes that the Anti-Christ cant be revealed until the one who restrains him is removed from the earth.

Who is the one who restrains him? It is the same who is called to "come up hither" to meet him in the air. The bride of Jesus.

In another New Testament writting ( I cant remember exactly right now)
a man is told to love his wife the way Christ loves the Church, meaning that Christ wife is the Church, so to the person who asked about who will be taken, it is the Church.
The Rapture will be sudden and it will be selective. Those who have gone to Church a couple times in their lives on Easter and Christmas and have no other interest in getting to know Jesus will be left behind.

The New Testament is not the only evidence for the Rapture, and a pre-tribulation Rapture becomes a sure thing when you research the way God has worked in the past.

Noah and his family got in the Ark and were saved from the destruction BEFORE the flood waters came. Noah was a righteous man.

Rahab the prostitute showed faith in hiding the spies sent by Joshua - Yeshua - Jesus - Get it?
She tied the red cord in her window - ( the blood of Christ seen through the window of the soul, our eyes)
Her household believed in the promise of Yeshua and also came under the protection of the blood, and they were saved from out of Jericho BEFORE the walls came down.

Lot was warned and saved from Soddom BEFORE the destruction came upon it from the Lord and Soddom was destroyed. The book of Hebrews calls Lot a "righteous" man.

Whats the point? God gets His people OUT OF HARMS WAY before He brings judgment down on the world. The Church will be Raptured pre-tribulation.

I will not commit to the idea of September 2008 as the time completely, but it is very interesting and very thought provoking. As for the September 2008 time, Methuselah died the day that Noah closed up the Ark, and Noah had 7 days to morn his death before the rain came.
America has had 7 years to morn the September 11th attacks..........

Could it mean that it is coming very soon?
I dont know but I pray that it is