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Originally posted by MatrixProphet
The irony of it all is this (and I have said this before on ATS): all of you would call Jesus the Anti-Christ if he did indeed ever make an appearance here again on earth. He would not fit the profile and that would be enough to put you all over the edge!
(John 10:14-15) 14 I am the fine shepherd, and I know my sheep and my sheep know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I surrender my soul in behalf of the sheep.
And KJV was one of the most agenda-ridden versions out there. (I chuckle, knowing that King James was, himself, gayer than a tree full of parrots...)
Ask yourself if it is good to use a symbol that is an execution instrument. When crossing oneself just which god are you calling upon? Examine the history of the Church and it is one long tale of horror, death and torture. I also have no doubt that many are still good natured, but they are playing with fire.
My research led me to learn Egyptian and to read the glyphs. The result was absolutely astonishing. I found out exactly who the patriarchs were, and the evidence proving some identities just cannot be faulted.
Most of my findings are in my pages 'Bible Origins in Egypt', but a lot can also be studied in "Tears In Heaven" by Ian Ross Vayro - published by Joshua Books on the Sunshine Coast. His first two books "They Lied to us at Sunday School" and "God Save Us From Religion" dig deep into biblical contradictions and errors and are often nothing less than hilarious.
True men of God walk with God in faith and in fact, not in religious fiction.
Actually, the OT is much more meticulously written (the Law) because the Jewish scribes were incredibly detailed in their recording thereof. Of course, I don't subscribe completely to it's teachings, but I do think it was not sloppily put together like the NT - and is validated/corroborated by the ancient scrolls etc.
"Already in the second century, the pagan critic Celsus had argued that Christians changed the text at will, as if drunk from a drinking bout; his opponent Origen speaks of the "great" number of differences among the manuscripts of the Gospels; more than a century later Pope Damascus was so concerned about the varieties of Latin Manuscripts that he commissioned Jerome to produce a standardized translation; and Jerome himself had to compare numerous copies of the text, both Greek and Latin, to decide on the text that he thought was originally penned by its authors." - Bart Ehrman
As I previously mentioned, the big problem for me is; Why would a sovereign God restrict the revelation of himself (exclusively) to one tiny sliver of time and geography and then just "wink out?" I mean come on and have the courage to think people, it just doesn't "float." Whatever God is, he/it is not exclusive to ANYONE!
(because God used Paul tremendously and Paul was a leader amongst the early church and the apostles).
You are witnessing the apostasy, the "great falling away" talked about. Are you surprised? You shouldn't have been. That is, if your church had actually preached from the bible.
We are able to grasp nuggets of what the real truth is. Does he have to do away with religion to get everyone's attention? Probably. But the real question is; does he care? I believe he will let a lot of people fall by the wayside.
What i discovered was a treasure trove of very important christian information that would never have been taught in church for the problematic questions it raises. Most interesting was that christianity wasnt much more than a plagiarism of the ancient egyptian religion including the trinity, the soul, hell, messiah, resurection, and what wasnt egyptian was pagan- including the cross of all flipping things.
Originally posted by whatsup
Well, for me it's a moot question because I no longer subscribe to the notion of an "Other" being (God) who exists independently of us and creation. I subscribe more to some of the eastern concepts and to Jung's "ground of being" from which all potentiality arises. My own research into quantum physics and near death experiences also confirms this for me.
From this new perspective, we are approaching it all wrong because we are waiting for something "outside of ourselves" to come in and rescue us. Meanwhile, we are destroying the planet and ourselves because of this mistaken notion. I am 53 years old and I gave every opportunity in the world (30 years worth) for some "personal" loving God to reveal himself (I took the bible at it's word this would happen) and the litmus test failed every time.
Just one honest look at nature with all of its predation, domination, and "survival of the fittest" should lay to rest any notion of a predetermined "loving" creator. From this perspective of a creator, the same God who created us also created viruses to destroy us! For eons before man appeared, nature has been rife with tooth, claws, fangs, poisions, venoms, barbs, and thorns.
We do have the potential to invoke the divine within ourselves and creation and "bias" it towards love but this is totally our choice and we are failing miserably with our antiquated beliefs. God as the ground of being is not immoral but he is "amoral." It is us who decide how potentiality will be shaped. God is the water tower (potential) and we are the firemen with the hose - who can use the potential to take loving/saving action (or not).
The mechanism of religions has embedded all structure of our life that now it impossible for someone to say that he or she think outside this religious box.
As I wrote previously, we need to undo every single aspect of our life, notion about love, family, death, pain, nation, earth…and so on, before we can claim to be an “individual “.
So fare few have manage this style of life, the best know is Jesus, but he was betrayal by all the apostles…yes not only Judas but all of them…but this is another story.