posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 03:23 AM
This thread never ceases to amaze me. My last post was in June and the thread started picking up again in October.
I've just read through all the posts since June and I have to thank everyone for contributing their experiences and thoughts.
digitalchemical: I definitely experienced similar emotions and thoughts. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with fluoride and the CIA (interesting
thought though :-D), but there are definitely certain drugs being used to their fullest - endorphins and other happy hormones. Hope and greed are a
terrible combination. If an individual is stricken by that combination, they are, unfortunately, very susceptible to these types of things.
infinite8: Thank you for the compliment . . . you were referring to me right? ;-) If not, I'm sure whoever you were referring to thanks you as
Djarums: I really don't know how many times I heard the same "sad" story from so many of the gem-people (I'm going to refer to them as that from
this day forward, lol), albeit in a slightly different context. I'm glad you came back to real life.
Excitable_Boy: They definitely tell you not to listen to your friends and family members. I'm glad your daughter finally came around. I hope that
she's left that stuff behind her. I notice you put Sedona, AZ as your location; I'm sure you have plenty of stories about the cults in that area.
TheTraveler: I'm glad your experience went well. My experience wasn't bad per se, but my alert mechanism goes off when I see 95% of a crowd with a
glazed look over their eyes and a blank stare - not something I normally see at a gathering for a large company.
Sports games are also a strange affair; the same mechanisms that propel sports fans to do certain things are probably the same things propelling
individuals of a cult/group to do certain things. The difference, however, is that most sports fans aren't going to use you to make a buck - the game
is far more important. I'm not saying that money isn't made off of sports, but most fan-made bets are friendly. They both share passion, but the
difference is in their execution of it. Sports fans are passionate about the life of the game and the characters that go along with it. On the other
hand, the passions of cults and certain groups usually comes from the hope of personal gain. I'm not saying that all the individuals are like that,
but sometimes its hard to tell when a good portion of them are more concerned about them telling you their "secret" then asking how you're
Must individuals buy products to learn their trade? Most definitely. No one will argue with you about that. However, how many tapes/CDs/books must an
individual buy just to hear the same thing told over, and over, and over again? Tools are there to be reused time and time again. One should not be
required to purchase the same tool, again, unless the tool is broken. If the tool breaks many times over, then it was probably made that way so people
would be inclined to purchase it many times over; it's a great way to make a buck, unfortunately, not for the naive individuals who continue to buy
The thing that will always stick with me the most is when me and my sponsor were at one of the large Quixtar events and he was looking at a certain
part of the structure (mechanical in nature) of the stadium we were in (the Scope). This man, at one time, was a mechanical engineer. He commented
(it's probably not exact, but it's extremely close to how I remember it), "I like looking at that stuff and trying to figure out how they did it .
. . but I really don't remember any of it anymore." The sad part is the fact that he was serious. He had only been involved with Quixtar for a few
years. He quit his well-paying job to devote all his time to Quixtar, and possibly lost useful knowledge in the pursuit of the ever-loving dollar. Did
he have anything to show for it? Only the money he had made before Quixtar. That's the key. If a sponsor claims they are making gobs of money, the
odds are, they aren't. Any glitz they show you is usually from prior money, or they are using everything they have to put on a good show.
I knew it wasn't right when I got involved, but my curious disposition provoked me to investigate further. When you start thinking about involving
friends and family, for personal gain (even if you tell yourself that it will benefit them as well), you know there's something seriously wrong with
that situation; although I briefly thought about it, I could see through the BS from the beginning. But even the strongest willed can be tempted by
the faintest scent of hope - you can make yourself believe.
I'm glad you're on your way to creating your own business. Maybe one day I'll get to that point as well.
petey_pongo23: The money is definitely there, but to gain access to it, everyone and their mother must be used like toilet paper; but there is also
that little thing about Quixtar not always paying out all the money it owes certain industrious individuals (to stay at the top, in a scheme like
Quixtar, you must perform questionable acts). As far as a Root Beer flavored energy drink goes, I'd try it!
smallpeeps: I agree. If a product is that "good," it shouldn't require "Independent Business Owners" to push it - it should sell itself.
dbates: There was a Dateline investigative report about Quixtar a few years ago. It showed, on video, almost everything I described in my first post.
You're right about the tapes (CDs and books included - anything that broadcasts the "secret"). One of the gem-people, an ex-Diamond, admitted that
that is the secret to becoming a gem-person. If you push it hard on the people you sponsor, you get some change out of it (since they are usually the
items with the highest markup, which isn't saying much if you've seen their catalog). Get them to buy, get the people that they sponsor to buy.
Quixtar has to limit the "wealth" somehow and that's where the questionable "paychecks" come in. ;-)
Dock6: Thank you for your extremely detailed story. I experienced that same snarl when I told my sponsor that I decided to hold off of Quixtar,
indefinitely. He tried to get me to change my mind, but I don't let go of my will for just anyone. Luckily he did uphold his oath that he would
refund the money I had payed to become an "IBO." It was rather kind, since that wasn't a Quixtar thing - it was his own personal thing. After that,
we went our separate ways. Although a few months later he did email me to ask if I had finished doing what I needed to do. I never responded. :-)
I'm glad the niece and husband haven't come around to preach the "gospel" again. It's sad that they even reached that point of desperation. I
hope they come back to the real again.
You guys stayed true to yourselves and I admire that greatly.
In nothing we trust: You speak the truth! :-)
Alright, well, I need to get some shuteye. I've got some real life work to do in the morning. ;-)