Originally posted by BlueOrb

Thank you, Blue Orb!
And I mean it.

I know EXACTLY how you must have felt - the same sort of thing has happened to me, more than once. Except these were one and two week holidays, taken over by people who prefer to lie on a beach rather than get out and explore.

Let me guess: Sharm al-Sheyk, on the Red Sea?
Oh no, sorry: that happened to ME...
There was Mount Sinai, there was St. Catherine's... but who needs them if you can lie by the hotel pool all day?
(I didn't mind, I preferred going up there alone - or in the company of total strangers - anyway.)

after all, surely half the point is to ride in the same elevator that Hitler and so many others used to

You would think, wouldn't you!

(tip - if you go in the elevator, try to stand exactly in the centre - That's where Adolf used to stand, as he was afraid of heights and lightning strikes).

Who are you? The twin I never had?!

That's EXACTLY what I did.
I didn't know that about Hitler, but I thought: if I were him, I would probably stand right here (and I suspect a gentleman who was also in the elevator had the same idea ).


And how I envy your entire Obersalzberg trip...!
Right now, I can't bear the mention of it, but before this trip - and I am sure, pretty soon again - I would have LOVED to go rummaging around the remains of the Berghof! (Even though I would have much preferred to see the site as it once was.)

I have just noticed I am starting to almost enjoy reminiscing about this trip, regardless all the frustration. I am sure your message has a lot to do with it.

And of course, we can always say: next year at the Untersberg. ;-)











[edit on 21-8-2009 by Vanitas]

Today I sped the highway nearby because I had business in Salzburg, Austria. Because of all the stuff surrounding this thread I just had to at least leave the highway once and come close to the mountain. I did not have the time to explore so I sat on a bench at an open field, not a person around and simply meditated on the whole mystique surrounding the place for about 30 minutes. And that mountain certainly has that "special something" about it. You can stare at so many mountains and wont feel the difference, but with this one you do.

It just stands there surrounded by flat plains, whereas all the mountains behind it are chains of mountains connected to others. This one is the "odd man out". The entire area is stunningly beautiful. The green looks rich, the trees quaint, and the mountain itself is profound. Maybe thats why its the only mountain in Europe that the Dalai Lama specifically pointed out.

I promised to return at another date to dedicate myself to the mountain only.

Originally posted by Vanitas
Let me guess: Sharm al-Sheyk, on the Red Sea?
Oh no, sorry: that happened to ME...
There was Mount Sinai, there was St. Catherine's... but who needs them if you can lie by the hotel pool all day?
(I didn't mind, I preferred going up there alone - or in the company of total strangers - anyway.)

You missed out on the nightwalk to Mt. Sinai? Shame on you. Thats even more awesome than Untersberg. And the beach is so much more enjoyable the next day.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
......I was the "gentleman" wanting to stand in the middle of the elevator!

So, now you understand why blondie wouldn't budge, no matter how insidiously you tried to displace her...

I can't wait about to read your - or anyone else's - experience, when you go!
It really is something special.

Do let us know before you go!




[edit on 28-8-2009 by Vanitas]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
You missed out on the nightwalk to Mt. Sinai? Shame on you. Thats even more awesome than Untersberg. And the beach is so much more enjoyable the next day.

Do I sound like someone who would miss THAT..?

No way!
Besides, I HAD to walk by night, in order to see the sunrise (which was supposed to be the highlight of the trip - and it was, of course, but just the walk alone was mind blowing.)


P.S. Oh, I just realised I was probably misleading in that earlier post: it wasn't ME who opted for the pool - it was someone else that I usually spent a lot of time with... well, until the subject of Sinai - or ANY kind of foot work, actually - came up...



[edit on 28-8-2009 by Vanitas]

Originally posted by Vanitas
Do you - or anyone else - happen to know what else (if anything) the Dalai Lama said about it?
I find his remark ("heart chakra of Europe" etc.) really interesting, but I would like to know more about the specific context of his statement.

The context was a visit of his to Austria. It was quoted in newspapers but he really did not say much else on it. All he did was specifically select to mention that mountain.

Originally posted by ArMaP

There is one case in Portugal in which, in a remote (as far as we can have a remote region in a small country ) of central Portugal, in a mountain area (Serra da Malcata) in which the people saw what they called "mourinhos" (like the soccer trainer ), meaning "little Moors", to some beings that were sometimes seen in the woods, running and jumping. The description is more close to the grey's than to the dwarfs in this case.

Could you please share or link more about this?

Originally posted by Vehemens
My take on it:
I think these energy or electro magnetic fields mess with the pineal gland somehow. The pineal gland (3rd eye) releases DMT, a psychedelic substance responsible for making us dream. Many people who take DMT see the infamous grey aliens and describe what seems like an abduction experience. Furthermore while on DMT time seems to stop. A minute looks like a lifetime but when the journey ends most people don't remember a single thing or forget everything minutes later.
Now, two of my uncles had some hallucinogenic experiences because of depressions. One was missing for 2 weeks. I'll tell you, it's scary, in his mind my father had died and my mother was talking to him by telepathy for the entire 2 weeks. Imagine his face when he saw my father alive in front of him and my mother telling him she doesn't even believe in telepathy crap. lol he couldn't believe it. he was so sure. The other one talked to an UFO who said to meet him in Azores islands. Needless to say there was no UFO there... and both my uncles are over 40 and don't even believe in these things.
All these experiences are related to DMT and brain malfunctioning.

So, my take on "the mystery mountain" is that there is some kind of earth electromagnetic field that totally disrupts our brain neurotransmitters (remember, our brain is electrical). Probably some explorers trip so bad that they slip and die inside the caves. Others just leave and go wondering about God knows where until the brain short circuits again and they return to normal. They wont remember the lost time because that is the primary side effect of a heavy DMT experience.

I truly find this normal because I also had my share of Psychedelic Trance parties and I'm used to being around trippy hippies. I believe I saw everything already =)

Anyway, research a bit the pineal gland and DMT.

i think you hold a good theory as to why those people on that mountain may have seen things or why time anomalies were present, the only problem i see with your post and my conflicting thoughts are this. if DMT is what causes you to see what you see in dreams then, from my current understanding, i believe that what you see through dmt trips could be real or for lack of better terms not a trip or illusion. from my resources i have heard that through dreaming you can astral project, now wether that is true or not im not sure, but im starting to lean towards the thought that dreams can be a direct path to astral projecting, which i know for a fact are real based on my experiences (APing that is), and there are tests that can be done to prove its authenticity. But if im right about the connection between dreaming,dmt, and astral projecting then wow! how amazing would that be? I believe i will find the answer to my questions one day from personal trials, as i plan to become as good as robert bruce is in astral projecting, its like each passing day i become more obsessed with spirituality! =)

This is a bit of a "work in progress", but i thought i'd put it up and see what you think.

I was given a "hint" about something from someone who has researched a LOT about this area. In fact, he has a very good website that we have used in this forum already (Alpenfestung.net). I emailed him to congratulate him on the website and to chase up some info that was due to be added some time ago. The query was regarding the mention of a "Berg-Berghof-Berg" line. He hinted to draw a line from the Untersberg to the Berghof. This i duly did, in Google earth. Where to start on the Untersberg, i thought, and so i chose the Mittagsscharte (the V shaped dip in the ridge). So i line that up with the Berghof site, and then contuniued it further....and it lines us perfectly with the summit of the Hoher Goll mountain behind. Coincidence? You could argue, that Haus Wachenfeld, that later became the Berghof, was already there before Hitler even visited Obersalzburg, but then again he chose this house on purpose. He is even quoted as saying something like "it is no coincidence that i have my house here". (I can find this quote if necessary). Anyway, that issue aside, i then considered whether there could possibly be any other relevance to the location of the Berghof, or other buildings in the area. So i drew a line from the Kehlstein Haus (Eagle's Nest) to the Berghof, and carried that further too. I was a little amazed when i saw that it also created a line from the Kehlstein Haus, throiugh the Berghof, to the site of the 2nd Isaias Temple, at the foot of the Untersberg. See link to picture.


Another coincidence? Maybe. I'm just putting it out there for comment. But bear this in mind....the Isais revelations, made to the Knights Templar, were, it is said, delivered at the site of the second temple (already discussed in this thread). It is said they included information regarding the Holy Grail. The Cathars allegedly kept the Holy Grail at Montsegur, France, a mountain fortress perched on top of a ridge. Much like the Kehlstein Haus . In fact, very alike:



The case for the location of the Kehlstein Haus being less of a coincidence is greater, since it was built specifically as a present for Hitler, by Martin Bormann on behalf of the Nazi Party. Again, as we have already discussed, it was an amazing feat of engineering, and a lot of work to make the road to the tunnel (just one turn over 6km). Could it be that they went to all that trouble because it HAD to be in that location? (i am intrigued as to why the length of the tunnel leading to the elevator, and the elevator shaft itself are EXACLTY the same length - i think 407ft. What is this significance? Or is a a coincidence?

We know that the Occult played a role in various quarters of Nazism. So was "Alignment" important to them too? Berhof aligned between two mountains, and between the "new Montsegur" (my words!) and the Isaias Temple?

I personally think there are more aligment issues, or specifically placement issues to be researched in regard to the Nazi buildings in this area, and i think that they are linked to earth anomalies, magnestism, gravity, or whatever.

Like i said, it's in progress, but i think more will be revealed.

(PS: Thanks to Michael for the "hint". Gruss!)

[edit on 27-9-2009 by BlueOrb]

[edit on 27-9-2009 by BlueOrb]

Originally posted by 4stral4pprentice

i believe that what you see through dmt trips could be real or for lack of better terms not a trip or illusion.

I've always suspected that much myself.
(I've never had DMT - or any type of "hard" drug - but I did experience what could be called a "trip" while under the influence of another substance.)

I am highlighting this part of your post simply because I believe it's an important point to make. The term "hallucination" sounds so dauntingly "scientific" - but the reality is, it's simply a descriptive term for a series of reported perceptual phenomena, the causes of which vary and are far from being definitively established.


And BlueOrb: give it time.
I know a person who also wrote to him once, and a few months later he received a thoughtful reply.
As you said, he probably gets millions of email messages!