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Is Biden the new Cheney?

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posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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The staunchly pro-democrat Los Angeles Times is asking that very question.

LA Times Article


By picking Joe Biden as his running mate, Barack Obama has taken a page out of George Bush's 2000 campaign and picked a grownup who knows a thing or two about the adult world. Of course, the Cheney influence hasn't always worked out too well ...


IMO this is proof that Obama is now running scared. Poll numbers starting to slip, so what does the "candidate of change" do? Why of course he picks an eastern establishment guy with 30 years in Washington.

So, where's the "change"?




posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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Yeah, but for the most part Biden's not a prick and a total sleazebag, outwardly that is. I'm sure it's even safe to hunt with Biden without fear of getting your face blown off by "accident". Cheney is demonic and delusional, a lethal combination.

Would you expect Obama to pick a running mate who wasn't so experienced?

Peace



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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Biden is a self confessed Zionist isn't he ?. It'll all be just the same whoever gets in , partisan politics is just an illusion to make you think your vote makes a difference .



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Yeah, but for the most part Biden's not a prick and a total sleazebag, outwardly that is. I'm sure it's even safe to hunt with Biden without fear of getting your face blown off by "accident". Cheney is demonic and delusional, a lethal combination.


Since you brought it up, would you rather go riding in a car with Ted Kennedy or hunting with Cheney? Really adds nothing to the discussion, now does it?


Would you expect Obama to pick a running mate who wasn't so experienced?


Absolutely - since Obama's campaign message is all about "change". And 30 years of Washington experience equates to nothing more than keeping the status quo.



[edit on 8/24/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Similar in that both have or will have major influence over future policy. As opposed to Al Gore who was simply a figurehead.

The difference is that Biden has not used his position for personal gain unlike Cheney. Biden owns one house with a big mortgage, has less than $150,000 in net worth, rides the train 1.5 hours in each direction to get to work in the senate and has without fault stood for what he thought is best for ALL americans and has proudly always put it all on the table.

Cheney however has used his influence for a ridiculous amount of self enrichment. Think haliburton, no bid contracts, secret energy policy, declaring everything a secret to avoid prosecution and impeachment, and the list goes on and on.

The differences in Cheney and Biden are like night compared to day. You obviously are not seeking truth.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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When Bush choose Cheney in 2000, the media's word of the day was "gravitas".

We have the same situation of an inexperienced candidate choosing a very experienced Vice President, yet "gravitas" is not dared mentioned by the MSM. The MSM must believe that Lord Messiah Obama is not capable of needing gravitas?

Obama bin Biden...hopefully someone will make a bumper sticker soon!



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:44 AM
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Heck yeah my friend you are right another Cheney, but while Cheney was Mr. Haliburton and we all know what hat brought to the nation, Mr. Bankruptcy bill is a butt kisser to the big MBNA, so we know to whom this VP will be pulling strings for.

I don't like Biden, now I can not wait to see who McCain chose.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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Marg,

I'm afraid i'll have to go with the goons on the left. I need change.




posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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Oh, Dg, I understand but to tell you the truth I think I will seat for this elections this year.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Biden seems to favour US miltary focus on the southern asia / caspian sea area.. rather than the middle east , along with Obama's advisor's Holbrooke and Brzezinski . So wheras Cheney and the neocons may have used Iraq and the ME for corporate interests , having Biden there will solidify a more geostrategic 'imperative' for a re direction of focus to these new areas . Obviously to co incide with a troop pullout in Iraq for re deployment in afghanistan and beyond .



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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Thanks, friend. It seems that many of Billary's supporters are also reacting negatively to Obama's selection of Biden. One can only hope that many of them will either vote for McCain, or like you, take a seat for this election. Either way, the result will be the same - Obama going down in flames ...



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 11:03 AM
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The Major has enjoyed the debacle that is Joe Biden. Nothing amuses the Major more than watching Bob Beckel try in vain to put positive spin on the Biden choice, only to acquiesce in disgust to the reality of the situation; Joe Biden is the new Dick Cheney. Poor Bob, had such a pained look on his face the Major couldn't tell if he had a run in with a bad blue plate special at a local greasy spoon, or he had just realized that John McCain will be the next President of the United States. Only Will Bower seems to have a grasp on the proper course of action.

As for those that are compelled to bring up Dick Cheney's hunting mishap, the myopia couldn't more advanced. The Major recognized that 12 gauge peppering for what it really was; an outreach to Democrats at large. After all, didn't "Dead Eye Dick" shoot a Republican?

Now if the Major could only convince John McCain that his best choice for VP is the Junior Senator from the Great State of New York the Major would be able cancel the Major's cable subscription; the Comedy Central channel no longer being necessary.

Dismissed.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Marg,

I'm afraid i'll have to go with the goons on the left. I need change.



Hi DG!

But the point of this thread is that the selection of Biden by "the goons on the left", will not help bring about change. So, if one wants to support Obama (and that has been his theme), your support would be based on what? That's the key question. Because as I pointed out with a previous poster, so many seem to support Obama without having a clue why they do. If you ask them why, all you get are a few "sound bites", with no substance underneath.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 03:29 PM
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I tried to find a reason why Obama chose Biden to be his running mate, and the age and experience reason while makes it sound right still do not answer the question of why choosing a man that used such harsh words against obama youth and inexperience for campaign purposes when he was running for president candidate.

Something doesn't add here and to tell you the truth I feel that Obama willingly didn't chose Biden, Biden was chosen for him and whatever Biden is aligned with, lobbyist money comes into question.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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When Biden was announced as VP candidate I honestly thought the same thing, "here we go again, another empty puppet being controlled by his #2".


Any fool can see that Biden will be running the show from behind the scenes, frankly because Obama will have to go to him for help due to his lack of knowledge and know how. 30+ years in politics he will know every wheel to grease and every butt to kiss.


But I will agree with Dr. Love, at least Biden isnt so much of a lunatic. At least it isnt the vibe he is putting off thus far. Zionist, maybe, evil manipulator hell bent on world domination, meh not so much.


It does, however, make me wonder what the real purpose was behind nominating Obama for president. To me Biden as the main candidate with Obama as his VP choice would have made logical sense. Perhaps they are trying to appeal to that dormant segment of the non voting Democratic party, the ones who will sway the difference in November.


To me Biden's wealth of knowledge and experience will eventually end up making Obama look bad. How can you be the boss of someone who knows ten times more than you do about the job at hand?


[edit on 8/24/08 by BlackOps719]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative

Obama bin Biden...hopefully someone will make a bumper sticker soon!


I nominate you for the task, RR.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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As far as being an American patriot?

That I do not know, Biden will have to prove himself first.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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Bush didnt choose Cheney, Cheney chose Cheney. He was head of the selection committee for Bush and he nominated himself.

[edit on 24-8-2008 by iamcamouflage]



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I think that's a poor comparison.

Cheney has more experience with the dark side of corporately co-opted politics. The people I know in Biden's home state like him quite a lot, and don't see him as a shill.

There are a lot of issues that he brings up that I don't agree with, gun control and the drug war being chief among them, but I do kind of like the guy.

If he becomes president, I'll have to say - it could be worse.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 24 2008 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
If [Biden] becomes president, I'll have to say - it could be worse.


See January 2001 - January 2009, for example.



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