Couple in hiding with 2-day-old son to avoid vaccination

If the kid does not get the vaccine he WILL die of liver disease within a matter of years. He probably wont make it to his 5th birthday.

Honestly, I do not know a single person who had any health affects from all these vaccines. I will go as far as to say that Autism is entirely genetic. Mercury was REMOVED from ALL vaccines in 1999 and thus why are kids still getting it?

[edit on 24-8-2008 by WyrdeOne]

reply to post by loam


Yes. Seeing as a majority of people here feel it should be 100% up to the parents to decide, it should be 100% up to the parents to answer for their decisions, right?

Originally posted by WyrdeOne

C'mon - this is a terrible example. I have a strong dislike for vaccinations in general, and especially the ones for STDs, but this news story is no kind of hill to die on.

The mother was positive for Hep B, did y'all read that part? It's not some government conspiracy, it's an attempt to keep this stupid slag from ruining her child's life.

If the mother has an STD, when she gives birth there's a serious risk of transmission. I have a month-old baby, and she hasn't been vaccinated for anything. Know why? Because her mother and I didn't get all crudded up with STDs. How easy is that?

That baby did NOTHING to deserve that.

And yeah, parents are the guardians of their childrens' health, I agree with that, and if they don't want the vaccine, I agree with their decision - but to get on the soapbox and defend the parents for being ignorant and unecessarily paranoid at the expense of their child's life, well that's just not well-advised.

Talk about picking your battles...

chris

Mercury was REMOVED from ALL vaccines in 1999 and thus why are kids still getting it?

I believe that's a lie, do you have a source for that information?

Some varieties of influenza vaccine almost certainly still contain mercury.


[edit on 24-8-2008 by WyrdeOne]

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

In 1999, on the recommendation of the American Academy of Pediatrics and U.S. Public Health Service, thimerosal was removed from most childhood vaccines as a "precautionary" measure - i.e. without admitting to any causal link between thimerosal and autism.

My bad, you are correct it is still is some vaccines but it has been removed from almost all the childhood mandated vaccines.

Originally posted by ChrisF231Honestly, I do not know a single person who had any health affects from all these vaccines. I will go as far as to say that Autism is entirely genetic. Mercury was REMOVED from ALL vaccines in 1999 and thus why are kids still getting it?

You are right, thimerisol (mercury) was removed from virtually all vaccines (except the flu vaccine) a while ago.

Plus for some super strange reason, the the rates of autism went up as the rates of retardation went down. Freaky huh? Either the diagnosis has changed (diagnosing kids as autistic instead of retarded), or maybe this is proof that thimerisol prevents retardation!

Hep B is tramsitted through any bodily fluids. This means a mother who is positive, could slobber kiss her little baby and... the baby gets Hep B and dies a painful death or it could fall over, and graze itself, and mommy with an open tends to it..

I hate vaccines, I detest them as a blanket throw catch all solution BUT if one person has a disease and the baby getting a vaccine will live long and prosper, then it should be in the childs interests to have it.

Hep B is nasty, nasty disease and so easy transmitable it is scary.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
My bad, you are correct it is still is some vaccines but it has been removed from almost all the childhood mandated vaccines.

You deserve a star for saying that. Most on ATS will never give credit to others when facts go against their "opinions". You deserve credit for integrity. But you were 99% correct! Lets see if anyone else acknowledges that!

[edit on 24-8-2008 by Sonya610]

I have not had a vaccine for 12 years now and have been considerably less sick than during my childhood. I used to come down with a flu or sinus infection every year or up to twice a year my entire life. Now I only have a slight cold instead of going into a full blown infection, which lasts less than a week. In my opinion I honestly feel like I am benefiting more by NOT having any vaccines than when I did.

A vaccination is not an immunization.

But don't listen to me, I'm a doctor - I work for 'The Man'...

Loam - I guess the vaccines are working out just fine for you, the mercury having done it's job.

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
...Hep B is nasty, nasty disease and so easy transmitable it is scary.

No, the common cold is "so easy transmitable it is scary". If Hep B was so easily transmitted, almost everyone would already have it.

i have no problem with the parents not wanting their child to have the hep B shot or any vaccinations, but i believe the parents should bare the full cost of treating that child if and when the child is infected and shouldnt be allowed to rely on medicare to underwrite the cost of their stupidity.

reply to post by titorite


Vaccinating newborns does not make sense. I do not know much about humans but in the animal kingdom the immunity system is not well enough developed to make a vaccine useful. A wait of at least 2-3 months for lambs and kids and at least 4- 6 months for foals is normally recommended. For newborns you vaccinate the mother a month or so before birth so the antibodies are in the first milk.and generaly wait until just before weaning to vaccinate.

It is a tough decision indeed. No one really knows what unexpected complications may happen.

Please follow these links:

Health watchdog investigates infant vaccine complications

Last Saturday, six of the eight were given Tuberculosis and hepatitis-B vaccines while two were only given the TB vaccine. After some 15 minutes, all eight suffered respiratory failures.
Details on the vaccines, including the names, manufacturers and batch numbers, have yet to be disclosed.

Father sues after daughter is paralyzed in Mekong Delta

A man from the Mekong Delta province of Tien Giang has filed a suit against a local health center he has accused of paralyzing his eight-year-old daughter with a vaccine.

Man sues after vaccine paralyzes him

A man in the southern province of Hau Giang has sued a local health agency and vaccine maker, claiming a vaccine paralyzed him last year.

Ministry bans vaccines after babies’ deaths

Deputy Health Minister Cao Minh Quang signed a document suspending the use of hepatitis B vaccines involved in the deaths of two babies – one in Thua Thien-Hue last week and one in Hanoi last January.

Man paralyzed from rabies shot sues health agency

A woman has sued a Ho Chi Minh City health center for VND110 million (US$6,875) for paralyzing her 27-year-old husband by giving him a rabies vaccine.

Southern Vietnam suspends TB vaccine after infant death

Health centers in southern Vietnam were instructed Friday to stop using BCG, a locally made tuberculosis vaccine, following an infant’s death in Dong Nai province Wednesday.

Another child dies after Hepatitis B vaccination

A four-month-old child in Vietnam Saturday died 15 hours after being vaccinated with a domestically-produced Hepatitis B vaccine, after three died earlier from Korean vaccines.

The list can go on. Don't get me wrong guys, I am not saying that I am completely against vaccines.

The fact is; there are certain risks. Are you willing to take it? What would you feel if your healthy normal child dies after simple vaccination? What about those who reported that got paralyzed after a simple vaccination?

The list above covers Vietnam only (Because I live here). I have not seriously looked into other countries.

And, I hope you don't mind. May I ask how many here are a parent like myself?

You understand well when we think of the risks involved on deciding to vaccinate or not to vaccinate.





[edit on 24-8-2008 by searching_for_truth]

[edit on 24-8-2008 by searching_for_truth]

reply to post by TruthTellist

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
No, the common cold is "so easy transmitable it is scary". If Hep B was so easily transmitted, almost everyone would already have it.

In some parts of the world it is very common, 24% of four year olds in liberia show the antigen for it.

Mother to child transmission occurs often, either in utero or through exposure to blood or blood contaminated fluids at or around birth. Such perinatal transmission is believed to account for 35% to 50% of hepatitis B carriers. The risk of perinatal transmission is associated with the hepatitis B e antigen status of the mother. If a mother is positive for both hepatitis B surface antigen and e antigen, 70% to 90% of her children become chronically infected

Even if the parents don't care if their child is a carrier it is still a risk to others that the kid will come in contact with. Who would want to take the chance of their kid being a carrier if they could prevent it?



[edit on 25-8-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by TruthTellist
Loam - I guess the vaccines are working out just fine for you, the mercury having done it's job.

Lovely.

I assume that makes you feel better.



Again, this thread isn't about vaccinations GENERALLY. It's about one infected mother with HepB placing her infant unreasonably at risk.

Like I said. I'd have much more sympathy for the parents if the infection risk were otherwise nominal to the child.

THAT IS NOT THIS CASE.


[edit on 25-8-2008 by loam]

Originally posted by MacSen191
If it is to protect the child they should do it... I don't agree that it should be forced on them though. I made a choice to have my son vaccinated after research and talking to the doctor, I was concerned about the mercury... the clinic I go to dosen't use mercury shots... they had a pamphlet and I talked to a doctor I trust and a friend who works their.

You are aware that virtually every vaccine has mercury in it - even the "mercury-free" vaccines?

www.whale.to...

I will not trust MD's on this, and the pamphlet was probably produced, directly or indirectly, by the pharmaceutical companies - who pay doctors to prescribe and/or administer their drugs, leaving MD's with a conflict of interest.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
If the kid does not get the vaccine he WILL die of liver disease within a matter of years. He probably wont make it to his 5th birthday.

Honestly, I do not know a single person who had any health affects from all these vaccines. I will go as far as to say that Autism is entirely genetic. Mercury was REMOVED from ALL vaccines in 1999 and thus why are kids still getting it?

Because it was NOT removed.

www.whale.to...

Autism is neurological damage from mercury, aluminum and, in some cases, fluoride - all of which are neurotoxins.

Originally posted by Sonya610
You are right, thimerisol (mercury) was removed from virtually all vaccines (except the flu vaccine) a while ago.

No. It wasn't. They "filter out" the mercury after using thimerisol in production - but the mercury bonds to protein in the vaccines and cannot be filtered out.

www.whale.to...

Originally posted by SectionEight
This is what happens when you have socialist medicine.
These people will probably be hunted down with an unwarranted espenditure of public resources to make an example out of them.

Um, this has nothing to do with socialized medical systems.

They can force you to be vaccinated even with private health care. There was a case in the states of this, can't remember when, probably a couple of years ago , it was here on ATS where we talked about it... pretty much, child services gave the parents an ultimatum, either vaccinate your child, or we'll take the child.

We have socialized medical care here in Canada, and I've never been forced to have a vaccination. In fact, I think I'm long overdue for a couple of them, nobody is hunting me down for it. The doctors highly recommend I get them, and I just tell them that I've seen some of the results, and I don't trust the vaccination in question.
Thats it, they don't push any further.

What they do here is have vaccination booths at different areas for a day. All free. And completely optional. If its at your place of work, they simply ask you the day before if you want to get a certain vaccination so they know how many to bring... if you don't want to, no questions asked. Its your right to say no. Its done this way to entice you to get vaccinated... because they know they can't force you.

So it's not whether your health system is privatized or socialized, it's whether your government cares about your freedoms.