Karl Marx was a Practising Satanist

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posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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Perhaps this is not as widely known as I had assumed. The evidence that Karl Marx was a practising Satanist is overwhelming. His diaries contain a reference to the initiation rites that he underwent in becoming an initiate.

This article is particularly revealing:

www.crossroad.to...

Here is an extract:


...The answer is found in a little-known drama which he [Marx] also composed during his student years. It is called Oulanein. To explain this title a digression is needed.[9]
There exists a Satanist church. One of its rituals is the black mass which Satanist priests recite at midnight. ... An orgy follows.... [pp.10-11]

We will be able to understand the drama Oulanem only in the light of a strange confession which Marx made in a poem called The
Player, later down-played by both himself and his followers:

The hellish vapors rise and fill the brain,
Till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed.
See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me. -
For me beats the time and gives the signs.
Ever more boldly I play the dance of death.[p.12]

Now I quote from [Marx's] drama Oulanem:

And they are also Oulanem, Oulanem.
The name rings forth like death, rings forth
Until it dies away in a wretched crawl.
Stop, I’ve got it now! It rises from my soul....

Yet I have power within my youthful arms
To clench and crush you [i.e., personified humanity] with tempestuous force,
While for us both the abyss yawns in darkness.
You will sink down and I shall follow laughing,
Whispering in your ears, “Descend, come with me, friend.” [p.12]


This biography of Marx includes relevant information: Who was Karl Marx?

Here is a quick extract:


THE RISE OF KARL MARX
Heinrich Karl Marx (Moses Mordecai Marx Levy, 1818-83) was born of wealthy parents (his father was a lawyer), and much of his personal life has never been revealed. Professor M. Mtchedlov, Vice-Director of the Marx Institute, said that there were 100 volumes in his collection, but only thirteen have ever been reprinted for the public. When he was six, his family converted to Christianity, and although he was once a believer in God, after attending the Universities of Bonn and Berlin, Marx wrote that he wanted to avenge himself "against the One who rules above." He joined the Satanist Church run by Joana Southcott, who was said to be in contact with the demon Shiloh. His early writings mentioned the name "Oulanem," which was a ritualistic name for Satan. A friend of Marx wrote in 1841, that "Marx calls the Christian religion one of the most immoral of religions."


Those who are aware of these things are not in the least surprised that Communist governments have proved to be vehemetly anti-God, resulting in the imprisonment, exile and even execution of untold masses of people who held to their faith in God.









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posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Ah I do not know whether he was a satanist or not, but he was ordinary Khazar Jew, so there actually is a good change that at least he was much Satanist like power hungry selfworshipper. He of course imagined a system perfect for elites - it would be preferable to sit upon top of the communist hierarchy and pick the best apples and send the rest to the 'comrades'.

Somebody in some else thread said something about communism improving the quality of life etc... Well that is merely the smoke screen illusion, for making people alike, it will degenerate human being into a crowd animal. And that was precisely his goal.

Kudos for the post. Starred and flagged because of the controversy it might stir


I'll retreat back into my grave.

All the best,

-v



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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Most satanists believe in self-empowerment, individuality and a spiritual dimension to life....things incompatible with either Marxism or Communism.

If Marx ever did dabble in Satanism, he sure as hell didnt subscribe to it.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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ahhhh refreshing, something new, many thanks, a star and flag Pause

i'm going to look into this.

No wonder, as you say that Christians have been on the receiving end from the communists in such a severe way.

i think satanist have a firm grip here in the uk also. A minister i know of says he doesn't believe in satan? doesn't believe or worships? who knows
either way the sheep are at risk me thinks.

from an outside source, fairly interesting



In 1912, Edward House published a fictional book entitled, "Philip Dru, Administrator." House was the chief adviser of the American President at the time, Woodrow Wilson, but was also working closely with the British Rothschilds. Of course, Woodrow Wilson is the "Dru" of the book title.

In the book, Dru creates a socialistic government after pursuing "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx." Dru succeeds in toppling the existing government and replacing it with his dream: one man alone controlling all property!

Woodrow must have admired this fictional story line, if he was corrupt...Lord Rothschild was banking on it. The name of the Marxist world government...in the fictional book...is "League of Nations" www.wealth4freedom.com...)


maybe mt Marx had a larger and wider influence than was thought

www.tribwatch.com...

david



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:01 PM
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With as much anti-communist propoganda and anti-socialist propoganda flying around, it wouldn't surprise me if it was completely fabricated. Especially given the institutionalization of our capitalist way of life.

'Those evil communists and/or socialists, they must all be evil devil worshiping baby killers'.....



[edit on 8/22/2008 by Choronzon]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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i think it fits with actual communismas opposed to the ideal

david



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:09 PM
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Communism is not evil. It is simply a ideology that cannot work in our society. Human beings are not ants. Thus all the conflicts, dead and such.
If it makes people feel better- they can blaim Communism "invention" on their own personal boogeyman - satan/ists, Khazarian/whatdoesitmetterwhich Jews, Zionists, NWO,aliens .....
But all in all - it is failed ideology that can appeal to certain inexperienced people who are willing to do a lot of crimes for it.
Edit - spelling

[edit on 22-8-2008 by ZeroKnowledge]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Christians tend to see everything anti-christian as being the same thing.

But Satanism and Communism are very, very different from each other...polar opposites in fact.



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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If Marx ever did dabble in Satanism, he sure as hell didnt subscribe to it.


Hi. I'm quite taken aback at how surprised people are at this information. How do you react to the additional evidence I've now included in the OP (which I originally promised to add)?



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...it wouldn't surprise me if it was completely fabricated.


Fair comment if this is new to you. But are you prepared to dig a little before forming an opinion? Again, perhaps you could look over the first article. Thanks.

(A little background. It is about 25 years since I first came across this information. When I dug out the two books that I thought might have contained the quotes I couldn't find what I was looking for, and so found the information on the web. I've now remembered which book I got the information from. Unfortunately I leant it to someone some years ago and have not received it back.)

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posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:58 PM
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Hello

i have found this quote of Karl Mark

seems he might not have been quite the Atheist



Then I will be able to walk triumphantly, Like a god, through the ruins of their kingdom Every word of mine is fire and action My breast is equal to that of the Creator


and he wrote this in a poem

taken from Richard Wurmbrands book Marx and Satan
ISBN-10: 0891073795



I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.


sounds familiar to a Christian

david



[edit on 15/08/2008 by drevill]



posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Communism is not evil. It is simply a ideology that cannot work in our society. Human beings are not ants.


I once used to think in similar manner, but now I must ask you to allow me to disagree: Considering that it was unspoken objective of communism to kill free will in national level, one can barely say that it is not evil. If something - no matter if you call it God or mere biological procesess - granted us with the option of choice and in a sense free will, trying to deny that is in my opinion evil.


Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
...they can blaim Communism "invention" on their own personal boogeyman - satan/ists, Khazarian/whatdoesitmetterwhich Jews, Zionists, NWO,aliens .....


Hmm, before I leave your comments about personal boogeyman shine alone in it's irrelevance, I must comment that according to Robert Wilton, certain executive branches of communist hierarchy were quite heavily populated by Khazar Jews.

Anyway, since this is not really the subject of this thread, I rather not continue bringing in unimportant details.

Sincerely,

-v



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 09:42 AM
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Response to OP:

Im not at all "taken aback" by your info. Im just pointing out that its wrong. In doing this I am not following a christian or communist or satanist agenda but just stating the obvious.

Marx was an atheist who did not believe in supernatural realities. Therefore, he cannot be a Satanist.

Simple as that. Just because he checked out a thing or two in his youth, doesnt mean he subscribed to it.



[edit on 23-8-2008 by lucid eyes]



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 02:16 PM
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Marx was an atheist who did not believe in supernatural realities. Therefore, he cannot be a Satanist.


Hello again LE. There is another possibility. He turned against God, became a Satanist, and expressed enmity towards God through the promotion of an atheist agenda.


He writes in a poem, “I wish to avenge myself against the One who rules above.”[7]

So he was convinced that there is One above who rules. ... Marx belonged to a relatively well-to-do family. He had not hungered in his childhood. He was much better off than many fellow students.

What produced this terrible hatred against God? No personal motive is known. ...why should he have written these lines in his poem Invocation of One in Despair? [9]

So a god has snatched from me my all
In the curse and rack of destiny.
All his worlds are gone beyond recall!
Nothing but revenge is left to me!..

You say you are not taken aback by this info, just pointing out that it is wrong. But what you are saying appears to be based on assumptions about Marx that have been spoon-fed to us. Things are not always as they seem!

Obviously people form different opinions - I've no problem with that. At the same time there is evidence here that may lead to some people seeing Marx in another light, and one that makes perfect sense.



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 02:16 PM
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Ahh! (First ever) double post.

[edit on 23/8/08 by pause4thought]



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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can you please define "Satanist."



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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can you please define "Satanist."


That is a very reasonable request - definitions always promote clarity in a discussion.

It appears we are dealing with someone who, for some as yet unspecified reason, became embittered against the One he had been told held his fate in His hands. (Perhaps a reasonable guess might be that a woman he loved became betrothed to another.) In order to express his newfound outright opposition to God he determined to join forces with those who worship the antithesis of God.

Judging by the words Marx used he may have made this choice in a very emotional state. He may therefore not have given careful consideration to the gravity of his decision. As is often the case he may well have entered the realm of inviting influence from dark spiritual forces without realizing they would bind and control him rather than allowing him to simply dabble to satisfy a passing urge.

There is evidence he took part in an initiation ceremony. I have no prurient interest in exactly what he got up to. The issue is that he got involved with those who seek to draw near to Satanic forces, and that this does not accord with the commonly-held belief that he was a straight-forward atheist.

As such he may possibly have remained on the periphery after a period of experimentation. On the other hand he may well have climbed a hierarchy. It is therefore not clear whether he became deeply committed or at some point drifted away from the activities hinted at. All we can see is evidence of real animosity towards God that appears to have led him to join with those who gather in Satan's name.

I will try to do some more digging. If I discover more information I will add it.



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Well, you´re certainly right about his animosity towards religion. And its certainly correct that communism has caused much harm. Ive often pondered what type of dark forces created it.

Out of curiosity: Who would a christian have more in common with: A satanist or an atheist? What do you think?



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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So an out of context line from Marx's poetry condemns him as a Satanist? John Milton wrote "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven," does that make him one as well?



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 03:09 PM
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Reply to lucid eyes



Out of curiosity: Who would a christian have more in common with: A satanist or an atheist? What do you think?


I try not to think in terms of stereotypes. As a Christian I take people as they are and if possible try and bring some blessing into their lives.

I perceive and deal with people on the basis that we all have the same Maker. I have that in common with a satanist or an atheist.

Obviously there are different beliefs, attitudes and ways of living. But I relate to people on the basis of what we have in common as far as possible.



posted on Aug, 23 2008 @ 03:11 PM
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hello

'The Synthetic Society' whose goal was to create a 'one world religion'.invited Frederic Myers of the S P R. to join and together they created "The preamble of all religions." It include the dogma, "departed spirits can communicate."

The Synthetic Society whose goal was to create a 'one world religion' membership was reportedly dominated by proponents of Hegel's dialectical philosophy, which became Karl Marx's dialectical materialism.

Communism and the occult are written about in the Fabians, where According to, Edward Peace and Frank Podmore, the authors were instrumental in the genesis of both the The Society for Psychical Research and Marxist societies of London. Peace quoted that the work of Westcott, Hort and Sidgwick's 'Ghostly Guild' and his own Marxist activities as

"our common work."

david


[edit on 15/08/2008 by drevill]






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